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Title: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: goblue on July 10, 2018, 12:44:20 PM
Wtf are these ML odds in the fourth race at Vernon on Thursday!?

Looking at this race, I think the best horse is clearly the 2, Special Kay Deo? Yet she is the biggest longshot at 10-1??

She's coming off a dominant Excelsior win at Yonkers in 1:54.2.  The horse that finished dead last in that race is back in this race at Vernon, 7 KJ's Bekah.  Yet she's 5-1?   And in between then and now, she's thrown in another garbage race at Goshen with a 31.1 final quarter.   ngc3 ngc3

Also, the 3 Center of Hope is 8-1? Wtf? Literally the two best horses in the race are the two biggest longshots  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3  Who is the dumbfuck making these odds

Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: JUICEJUNKIES on July 10, 2018, 01:13:17 PM
Wtf are these ML odds in the fourth race at Vernon on Thursday!?

Looking at this race, I think the best horse is clearly the 2, Special Kay Deo? Yet she is the biggest longshot at 10-1??

She's coming off a dominant Excelsior win at Yonkers in 1:54.2.  The horse that finished dead last in that race is back in this race at Vernon, 7 KJ's Bekah.  Yet she's 5-1?   And in between then and now, she's thrown in another garbage race at Goshen with a 31.1 final quarter.   ngc3 ngc3

Also, the 3 Center of Hope is 8-1? Wtf? Literally the two best horses in the race are the two biggest longshots  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3  Who is the dumbfuck making these odds



You shouldnt even acknowledge a morning line.
It is an opinion of someone or something else (humans and in some places computers).

Formulate your own opinion.
Rationalize betting patterns based upon your own knowledge.
Set your price to accept.
Wager or not.

The morning line shouldn't be a gambling tool in any regard.
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: Fatboy on July 10, 2018, 02:19:12 PM
You shouldnt even acknowledge a morning line.
It is an opinion of someone or something else (humans and in some places computers).

Formulate your own opinion.
Rationalize betting patterns based upon your own knowledge.
Set your price to accept.
Wager or not.

The morning line shouldn't be a gambling tool in any regard.

Some sound reasoning here...AND M/L IS BETTING FOR DUMMIES
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: PIGLAND on July 10, 2018, 02:44:34 PM
i use the morning line
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on July 10, 2018, 03:22:40 PM
i use the morning line
you ARE the morning line  tmbz1
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: Fatboy on July 10, 2018, 04:00:00 PM
you ARE the morning line  tmbz1

YOU ARE A LOAD
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: Charlie on July 10, 2018, 08:39:55 PM
Go figure but look who is training the horse, Chris Oakes once again such a joke!  Want to check a good one go back and watch Split the House at Pocono downs who finished dead, dead last by 10 lengths and could have moved up the rail and just sat. Big stake race the following week off at 14 to 1, bingo and Chris standing in the winners circle waving at the camera. An absolute joke but they keep leeting him do his thing.  Wonder now why I am completely gone?
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: EPM on July 10, 2018, 10:46:33 PM
Sorry Charlie
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: kantseeback on July 10, 2018, 11:34:51 PM
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Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: quitpullinmychain on July 11, 2018, 01:24:22 PM
I set my own morning line after warmups & runners coming out of paddock.
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: Calhoun on July 11, 2018, 04:24:27 PM
I set my own morning line after warmups & runners coming out of paddock.
Can you give an example of an 8 horse field?
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: the master on July 12, 2018, 06:23:24 PM
I have heard that the morning line trackman is often a gambler and purposely tries to lead bettors away from the horses he wants to bet! Vernon's sister track Tioga also has some curious lines!
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: PIGLAND on July 12, 2018, 06:26:40 PM
I have heard that the morning line trackman is often a gambler and purposely tries to lead bettors away from the horses he wants to bet! Vernon's sister track Tioga also has some curious lines!
that's not true .the ml just isn't very good
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: quitpullinmychain on July 12, 2018, 07:17:45 PM
Can you give an example of an 8 horse field?
Not going thru whole field 1 is 15-1 morning line lousy warmup odds mean nothing automatic toss.2 5-1 warmup is super so he is 2-1 in my mind.3 9/2 warmup is good droping in class have to use.4 8-1 warmsup on one line so toss.5 7/2 warmup is. good,So not a big bettor $ 2 ex box 2 3 5 $3 2-3 2-5.BOX TRI for $1,$2 2-3-5,2-5-3.
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: goblue on July 12, 2018, 09:01:47 PM
Special Kay Deo, the horse I thought was the best in the race but 10-1 ML, went off at 12-1 and was a complete rat.

Center of Hope, the second best horse I thought but 8-1 ML, went off as the favorite at 3-5.

So 50% of my logic was correct. 
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: Superfecta on July 13, 2018, 03:54:00 AM
Special Kay Deo, the horse I thought was the best in the race but 10-1 ML, went off at 12-1 and was a complete rat.

Center of Hope, the second best horse I thought but 8-1 ML, went off as the favorite at 3-5.

So 50% of my logic was correct. 
happens all the time when handle struggles to hit 100k
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: Retired Floridian on July 13, 2018, 09:25:53 AM
First of all Code Blue,  Your full of shit.   Your picks were  #2 SPECIAL KAY DEO   THEN YOU WENT #7 KJS BEKAH THEN CENTER OF HOPE WHO WAS THE FAVORITE, another jerk off gambler.  Your top pick finished 4th, your 2nd pick never hit the board, and your 3rd pick finised 3rd.  If you noticed Jerkoff,  Handicapper picked 1-5-6-7  Guess what asshole  his 2nd and 3rd pick finished 1-2  Exacta PAID $99.00, do what you do best Shut the Fuck Up. 
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: talkstohisself on July 13, 2018, 10:11:09 AM
On a brighter note I went to Vernon last night. First class ,clean, good food nice place . Small handle but blows away the western ny tracks on any level
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: EPM on July 13, 2018, 10:19:28 AM
Weener dog races Saturday night  62za.clp  hvc.1
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: HomewardBound on July 13, 2018, 10:36:47 AM
First of all Code Blue,  Your full of shit.   Your picks were  #2 SPECIAL KAY DEO   THEN YOU WENT #7 KJS BEKAH THEN CENTER OF HOPE WHO WAS THE FAVORITE, another jerk off gambler.  Your top pick finished 4th, your 2nd pick never hit the board, and your 3rd pick finised 3rd.  If you noticed Jerkoff,  Handicapper picked 1-5-6-7  Guess what asshole  his 2nd and 3rd pick finished 1-2  Exacta PAID $99.00, do what you do best Shut the Fuck Up. 

Thanks Brett Rissi.
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: EPM on July 13, 2018, 10:45:09 AM
Inside info wiener dog Marley is getting hit with everything but the kitchen sink as far as pre race goes  87xc.2  11.wp  tmbz1
Title: Re: Vernon oddsmakers??
Post by: goblue on July 13, 2018, 12:24:19 PM
First of all Code Blue,  Your full of shit.   Your picks were  #2 SPECIAL KAY DEO   THEN YOU WENT #7 KJS BEKAH THEN CENTER OF HOPE WHO WAS THE FAVORITE, another jerk off gambler.  Your top pick finished 4th, your 2nd pick never hit the board, and your 3rd pick finised 3rd.  If you noticed Jerkoff,  Handicapper picked 1-5-6-7  Guess what asshole  his 2nd and 3rd pick finished 1-2  Exacta PAID $99.00, do what you do best Shut the Fuck Up.  

Don't tell me I'm full of shit when you can't even fucking read.  Jesus Christ.  This post had absolutely nothing to do with handicapping, but with how inaccurate ML odds are compared to actual odds.  I didn't even place a bet on this race, I just watched the odds.  

Also, I never said KJ's Bekah was even a half-way decent horse.  She was obviously the worst horse in the race but was ML 5-1 (went off at 40 something - 1), yet the #2 was ML 10-1, which I found ridiculous.  

I thought the #2 and #4 were the best horses in the race, as I stated in my initial post, yet were the biggest ML longshots.  I was 50% correct in this assessment, as the #4 went off as the favorite.  

To avoid idiots like this posting everywhere, I am starting a petition that people aren't allowed to post on this site unless they exhibit at least a 6th grade reading and comprehension level. 
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