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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Winners Win on July 23, 2018, 11:57:07 AM
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Watching sales lately and seeing horses for sale online, I am curious how other people set a price on a horse.
Do you value how much money they have made? Do you count money you think they can make either by what conditions they fit? Do you project them to a claimer level you think they can win?
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Well, there's 2 ways I do it.
DISCOUNTED CASH FLOW BASIS
(Discounted Estimated Future On Track Cash Flow * .75 (Margin))
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Discounted Estimated Residual Value * .75(Margin))
ALTERNATIVE METHOD
Ask Taylor, Lucpark or Cooperinck what they would pay and divide by 3.
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IN SHORT HOW MUCH YOU CAN REASONABLE EXPECT TO EARN WITH IT IN A SEASON OR HOW MUCH YOU ARE WILLING TO EAT
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Most horses are over valued. So most come up with a price they can live with. Then the market will come to them and then you have to tolerate how low you really need to go to sell the animal. The ones you see always priced online are the ones who pretty much failed expectations and are now the fat being trimmed. If you are racing a good one the market will come to you even if the horse isn't for sale.
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For most overnight horses
It’s what you buy and then sell them for rather than what they earn in a season
For the majority of horses that is
Most horses can cover their bills
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For most overnight horses
It’s what you buy and then sell them for rather than what they earn in a season
For the majority of horses that is
Most horses can cover their bills
INTERESTING THAT MOST HORSES CAN COVER THEIR BILLS
VERY INTERESTING
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Well, there's 2 ways I do it.
DISCOUNTED CASH FLOW BASIS
(Discounted Estimated Future On Track Cash Flow * .75 (Margin))
+
Discounted Estimated Residual Value * .75(Margin))
ALTERNATIVE METHOD
Ask Taylor, Lucpark or Cooperinck what they would pay and divide by 3.
Interesting approach. Very similar approach to purchasing rental properties.
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The value is by what class or price they can successfully compete.
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IN SHORT HOW MUCH YOU CAN REASONABLE EXPECT TO EARN WITH IT IN A SEASON OR HOW MUCH YOU ARE WILLING TO EAT
if u can afford to lose money u buy horses
if
u cant than u don't
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Well, there's 2 ways I do it.
DISCOUNTED CASH FLOW BASIS
(Discounted Estimated Future On Track Cash Flow * .75 (Margin))
+
Discounted Estimated Residual Value * .75(Margin))
U have nothin FUCK FACE NOTHIN U ANOTHER BUSTOUT WITH AN OPINION
GOODY FOR U
TELL US MORE FCK FACE ngc3
nothing u have nothing,,stop tryin to tell me your fuckin opinion
,,put up the FUCKIN MONEY BUY A HORSE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP,
OK FUCK FACE..
THKS FOR PLAYIN,,
THE SMARTEST GUY ON THIS FORUM,,
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U have nothin FUCK FACE NOTHIN U ANOTHER BUSTOUT WITH AN OPINION
GOODY FOR U
TELL US MORE FCK FACE ngc3
This is what you do when you run DFL. You get mean. Ouch.
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This is what you do when you run DFL. You get mean. Ouch.
UNTIL U SIGN THE YELLOW SOLD SLIP AT SALES
,,AND WRITE THE CK YOUR OPINION ON HORSES IS AS WORTHLESS AS DELROYS
ANOTHER GUY TRYIN TO TELL ME HEZ GOT GRATE IDEAS ngc3 ngc3
LETS BUY THIS LETS BUY THAT UNTIL ITS TIME ngc3 ngc3
TO WRITE THE CK tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3
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U have nothin FUCK FACE NOTHIN U ANOTHER BUSTOUT WITH AN OPINION
GOODY FOR U
TELL US MORE FCK FACE ngc3
nothing u have nothing,,stop tryin to tell me your fuckin opinion
,,put up the FUCKIN MONEY BUY A HORSE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP,
OK FUCK FACE..
THKS FOR PLAYIN,,
THE SMARTEST GUY ON THIS FORUM,,
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Sensitive much?
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This is what you do when you run DFL. You get mean. Ouch.
This is what you do when the truth hurts
You deflect to taking about his horses ouch
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This is what you do when the truth hurts
You deflect to taking about his horses ouch
tmbz1 tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
HEZ GOT GRATE IDEAS,,UNTIL ITS TIME TO SIGN SLIP
THEN DELFECTION SETS IN ngc3 ngc3
THIS FCKIN SLOB COULDNT COME UP WITH 13K GRAND ngc3 ngc3..
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UNTIL U SIGN THE YELLOW SOLD SLIP AT SALES
,,AND WRITE THE CK YOUR OPINION ON HORSES IS AS WORTHLESS AS DELROYS
ANOTHER GUY TRYIN TO TELL ME HEZ GOT GRATE IDEAS ngc3 ngc3
LETS BUY THIS LETS BUY THAT UNTIL ITS TIME ngc3 ngc3
TO WRITE THE CK tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3
I ain't telling you a single fucking thing.
Except to go fuck yourself.
When I need a Nitwit Midget's thoughts, you'll know.
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The value is by what class or price they can successfully compete.
How do you decide the price based on this? The ae claiming price?
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every horse and situation are different
what age is the horse
if a filly/mare does it have broodmare potential
what classes does it fit and for how long and how much money can they make before moving up
also depending on its age are there any stakes races it is eligible for
do you think your trainer can improve on the prior trainer
as with most things you make the money buying cheap and then selling at the right time
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How do you decide the price based on this? The ae claiming price?
Depends on where And conditions horse has been racin in
what trasiner had him..u have to know who not to buy from,,
Where you gonna race him at if u gonna Rac e at slots track u mite pay more
And finally what your wallet allows u to
I went to 95 grand on hurricane beach last Sunday
i priced him at 75 or 80 ,,but he was best horse in sale
Allard bought him at 110.
Hurricane the plopper on this forum was next to Me
He asked me who I'm.bidin Against he didn't know Renee
.. its what your WALLET LETS U GO,,
...EVERYONE WANTS TO STEAL A GOOD HORSE AT SALE
AND IMPROVE ,
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if u can afford to lose money u buy horses
if
u cant than u don't
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TRUE
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Horse just went a half in 51 and made 8500. Would you have bid more knowing that?
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Horse just went a half in 51 and made 8500. Would you have bid more knowing that?
WOULDN'T HIS LAST BID INDICATE HE HOPED THE HORSE WOULD DO AT LEAST THAT MUCH?
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WOULDN'T HIS LAST BID INDICATE HE HOPED THE HORSE WOULD DO AT LEAST THAT MUCH?
Right. Go ahead and ignore the horse sold for $50k and 45% more than Ruffalo believed..
It's easy to be the underbidder when you have no intention of buying.
It's even easier to chase $20k over your top price when you're a fucking nitwit.
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The Used Horse Sales are the absolute worst way to buy a horse.
If you are a willing buyer, your trainer or stable manager should be bringing deals to you.
The Used Horse Sale is for lazy, clueless owners.
JMVHMFO
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PLS LET ME KNOW WHEN THE NEXT MIND OWNERS SALE IS,, tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3
U SEEM TO KNOW EVERYTHING ,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
EXCEPT HOW TO SIGN THAT SLIP AND WRITE THAT CK tmbz1 tmbz1
TATTERSALS HOLD A MIND OWNERS SALE..NOV 12 AT YONKERS PARKIN LOT tmbz1 tmbz1
SEE U THERE ..U GOING WRITE NO IT ALL ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
UNTIL THEN KEEP GIVING EVERYBODY THESE GRATE IDEAS U THE SMARTES BUSTOUT ON THIS FORUM ngc3 ngc3
OK
FUCK FACE..
I NEVER LIE ON WHAT I BID,THATS WHY I POSTED ,,HURRICANE ,aka LAWRENCE WAS NEXT TO ME,,ASK HIM ,,OK FUCK FACE
,,WHEN ITS A CRAPPY SALE LIKE THIS ONE WAS EVERY BODY OVER PAYS OR U DONT GET NOTHIN,,
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The Used Horse Sales are the absolute worst way to buy a horse.
If you are a willing buyer, your trainer or stable manager should be bringing deals to you.
The Used Horse Sale is for lazy, clueless owners.
JMVHMFO
You really have no clue, do you?
Let us all know how many and names of horses you ever owned.
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LATER BOYS ,,THE SECOND SMARTEST GUY ON THIS FORUM
DELROY IS CALLIN ME ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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GENE HIZ A FUCKIN IDIOT..
WASTIN YOPUR TIME
,BUT HE KNOWS ALOT ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Yea he was making fun of one of my old horses that I paid 900 for but he made me 30k ngc3 ngc3
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Taco bell pays $500 a head.
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,,WHEN ITS A CRAPPY SALE LIKE THIS ONE WAS EVERY BODY OVER PAYS OR U DONT GET NOTHIN,,
Exactly.
See, it wasn't that hard for you to admit... Calhoun led you to the truth.
And that is why you go. Because you are a lazy, clueless nitwit looking to lose. That is my point.
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rule pf thumb used to be a horses value was equal to its earning potential in 18 months of racing
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Exactly.
See, it wasn't that hard for you to admit... Calhoun led you to the truth.
And that is why you go. Because you are a lazy, clueless nitwit looking to lose. That is my point.
I don't think it has to do with lazy. All horses I have seen whether through a broker, trainer connections, online or sales have been over priced.
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rule pf thumb used to be a horses value was equal to its earning potential in 18 months of racing
I projected a seasons earnings, but close enough.... tmbz1 I found it astounding that one guy claims most of them pay their way too. 73cv.2
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You really have no clue, do you?
Let us all know how many and names of horses you ever owned.
He gave me some list from 1970 a year ago or so
Wtf does that even count?
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He gave me some list from 1970 a year ago or so
Wtf does that even count?
WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OWNING AND OWNING? THE DATE?
WHEN I'M DEAD YOU WILL BE A HAS BEEN TOO...
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I projected a seasons earnings, but close enough.... tmbz1 I found it astounding that one guy claims most of them pay their way too. 73cv.2
Earnings or projected profit earnings beyond expenses?
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Earnings or projected profit earnings beyond expenses?
Since expenses can fluctuate, I look at potential earnings alone. Can fluctuate fast if he comes out of the stall wrong one morning :P
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He gave me some list from 1970 a year ago or so
Wtf does that even count?
HE OWNED HORSES THAT RACED IN BEN HUR tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
80 YR OLD MAN
LIVIN OUT HIZ DREAM,,BEIN THE SMARTEST ON THE FORUM ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
OH GEE ROCK 13 GRAND MY WIFE MY WIFE ngc3 ngc3
I CANT SPEND THAT KINDA MONEY ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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He gave me some list from 1970 a year ago or so
Wtf does that even count?
It was the 80's. 20 minute ride to Hazel, DRC; 30 to Northville, 30 to Windsor. Watched my cheap horses run live with 8,000 other people on a Friday. I have 100 friendships from those days.
You go to pompano, watch your horses run 1000 miles away on a laptop and tap dicks online with Rocco Ruffalo. wtf is THAT?
You don't approve? Think you're better than me? Go fuck yourself.
We're all looking forward to Mel Mara's 2019 Qualifying Season.
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Lucpark doing that beautiful ride down and up I-65
5 hours round trip just to see Indy breds run with 8 other people there.
And running Dead Fucking Last week after week.
How can the rest of us not be jealous?
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He gave me some list from 1970 ngc3
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Classic ngc3
88 yr old no.it alll ngc3
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calhound will not be beesmirched in this manner
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ngc3 ngc3..
Classic ngc3
88 yr old no.it alll ngc3
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HE OWNED HORSES
It's nice you take time for me.
I hope your horses do good. Especially any new ones.
We gonna call the new ones DFL-11 and DFL-12.
Go on now and do that I-65 Hustle. ngc3 ngc3
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Coopster
Best line of the day
tmbz1 ngc3
Classic
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calhound will not be beesmirched in this manner
Metaphorically speaking I wiped the floor with both of their asses here.
Plus Cooper is fucking scared of me.
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Quiet 1970
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Headline we could see soon.
Pigeon Has Serious Accident Driving on I-65
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Lucpark doing that beautiful ride down and up I-65
5 hours round trip just to see Indy breds run with 8 other people there.
And running Dead Fucking Last week after week.
How can the rest of us not be jealous?
Im jealous if he has some that race in the indiana fairs. If anyone is looking to sell one that is eligible for series 2 and raced in the finals or hit the board in the consolation, im interested.
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Headline we could see soon.
Pigeon Has Serious Accident Driving on I-65
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1970,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
3 MORE ENTERED FOR FRI..
BESIDES THOSE 2 ON THURS..
BUT I DONT HAVE TO TEL, U..
U GONNA BE LOOKIN .. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
....ITS FUN BEING A MIND OWNER AINT IT ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Im jealous if he has some that race in the indiana fairs. If anyone is looking to sell one that is eligible for series 2 and raced in the finals or hit the board in the consolation, im interested.
Luc will buy, sell, trade, flip quarters, whatever.
Guy don't care; he's a nitwit.
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1970,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
3 MORE ENTERED FOR FRI..
BESIDES THOSE 2 ON THURS..
BUT I DONT HAVE TO TEL, U..
U GONNA BE LOOKIN .. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
....ITS FUN BEING A MIND OWNER AINT IT ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
I don't follow. I wish I could but I don't know their names.
Coopie sends me a semi-weekly update.
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Yea ok.
Sure 1970
Thks for following it's appreciated
Thks 1970 ngc3
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Yea ok.
Sure 1970
Thks for following it's appreciated
Thks 1970 ngc3
USED POOLSTICK FOR HEADPOLE?
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USED POOLSTICK FOR HEADPOLE?
I WAS 8 IN 1970,,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
ASK 1970 HEZ KNOWS THE SMARTEST MIND OWNER ON PLOPS ngc3 ngc3 tmbz1
EDWARDO I GOTTA GO BUT WILL BE RACIN 5 THIS WEEK AND CLAIMIN 1 MAYBE 2 FRI,,
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I GOTTA WASH THAT MONEY FOR THE BOYS OR ELSE
CANT TELL U WHAT ELSE MEANS ;D ;D ;D
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I WAS 8 IN 1970,,,
I was 7 in 1970. And a foot taller than you.
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Ask mark weaver. He is the best at putting a price on a horse and can tell you who NOT to buy from
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Ask mark weaver. He is the best at putting a price on a horse and can tell you who NOT to buy from
JUST CALL MONTE GELROD OR CHARLIE KARP, TELL YOU WHAT ITS WORTH AND GET
IT SOLD, 2 OF THE BEST..........
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this post is laughable. these 2 names are among the biggest pieces of shit to ever walk in the world of harness racing. at first I thought this post was a joke.
just unbelievable
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UNTIL U SIGN THE YELLOW SOLD SLIP AT SALES
,,AND WRITE THE CK YOUR OPINION ON HORSES IS AS WORTHLESS AS DELROYS
ANOTHER GUY TRYIN TO TELL ME HEZ GOT GRATE IDEAS ngc3 ngc3
LETS BUY THIS LETS BUY THAT UNTIL ITS TIME ngc3 ngc3
TO WRITE THE CK tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3
LISTEN HEAR YOU DEGO MIDGET,,,,,,WHY DONT YOY AND YOUR FRIENDGO BACK TO BLOWING NIGGERS BY THE BUSLOAD IN HARVEY,,,,,,I WONT EVEN BE SEEN WITH YOU OUT EAST,,,,YOUR FATHER SHOULD HAVE SHOT THAT LOAD IN THE TOILET
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LISTEN HEAR YOU DEGO MIDGET,,,,,,WHY DONT YOY AND YOUR FRIENDGO BACK TO BLOWING NIGGERS BY THE BUSLOAD IN HARVEY,,,,,,I WONT EVEN BE SEEN WITH YOU OUT EAST,,,,YOUR FATHER SHOULD HAVE SHOT THAT LOAD IN THE TOILET
JOE YOUR GETTING BRISTLY THESE DAYS
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WHOS JOE????
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Depends on where And conditions horse has been racin in
what trasiner had him..u have to know who not to buy from,,
Where you gonna race him at if u gonna Rac e at slots track u mite pay more
And finally what your wallet allows u to
I went to 95 grand on hurricane beach last Sunday
i priced him at 75 or 80 ,,but he was best horse in sale
Allard bought him at 110.
Hurricane the plopper on this forum was next to Me
He asked me who I'm.bidin Against he didn't know Renee
.. its what your WALLET LETS U GO,,
...EVERYONE WANTS TO STEAL A GOOD HORSE AT SALE
AND IMPROVE ,
VIP internet is offering 10 percent share for 12k. You can still get part of him.
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JOE YOUR GETTING BRISTLY THESE DAYS
bristly i miss read,,
i thought u said SPRITELY ngc3 ngc3
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WHOS JOE????
JOE CHUNKLICK
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I was 7 in 1970. And a foot taller than you.
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I'm gonna quit reading now best thing I read on here since broken feet stables
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VIP internet is offering 10 percent share for 12k. You can still get part of him.
GIVE HIM THERE NUMBER