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Title: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: swoodall on August 02, 2018, 02:33:46 AM
Wildcat Bobby is back in at Hawthorne in the 1st race tonight.

Inquiring minds want to know who is really training this horse?

This horse has been listed with Ronnie Roberts down as trainer before and in those starts at Hoosier.

And the stable listed as owners have had horses with Roberts for a while Rzeszow Stable.

On 7-19 Wildcat Bobby finished 3rd at 8/5 with a no try shuffled to last at the 1/2 drive by Leonard.

Last Thursday Wildcat Bobby won at 15-1 with Clifton Bell driving for the first time under Aleksandra Karl as trainer.

Karl was 17-0-2-2 .154 and Bell has a .136 driving udrs.

So we were wanting to see who this Alexsandra Karl was in the winners circle but all we got was Ronnie Roberts!

Ronnie was the one who came out to tend to the horse and get his picture taken.

How did 15-1 with Clifton Bell feel being shoved up your ass? :1

Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: slivercharm on August 02, 2018, 08:31:21 AM
Alex Karl is hot hope she enters the weiner circle again
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: Sugar trader on August 02, 2018, 11:18:06 AM
Alexandra karl is great know her personally has a small stable only one owner but does it all her self
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: pumpy on August 02, 2018, 12:15:46 PM
does it all herself ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: EPM on August 02, 2018, 12:37:36 PM
 11.hdd
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: swoodall on August 02, 2018, 02:21:21 PM
Alexandra karl is great know her personally has a small stable only one owner but does it all her self



She's hot?

Does it all by herself?

Okay......if this is true then why did she look like Ronnie Roberts' identical twin?  84zac.1

Some of you guys are in serious need of an eye exam thinking Ronnie (Aleksandra) is hot? ngc3 ngc3

Maybe in his younger days I don't know but not in his late 70's. 84zac.1

It makes you wonder when a horse pops at big odds and a trainer not associated with the horse on paper is the only one in the winners circle getting their picture taken, 53zva.1

I stopped seeing this kind of stuff when Angie and Pete disappeared. 68xv.2
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: POOLSHARK on August 02, 2018, 10:01:08 PM
Ronnie is the trainer
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: SPREE2015 on August 03, 2018, 12:53:54 AM
Maybe he is just helping out
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: Overcheck on August 03, 2018, 01:13:54 AM
3rd tonight at cesspool Hawthorne. Just get it over with already.  Hurts the brain to figure all this shit out lol.
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: swoodall on August 03, 2018, 02:15:19 AM
Here we go again! 11.wp

Red Red Redneck wins Hathorne's 1st race after being 0 for 20 and the winner's circle photo is strange. 11.wp

Kyle Wilfong and his sister (according to others) and Angie Coleman are the only ones in the photo.

Now because of me some of these other old men are paying closer attention to who gets their picture taken.

I was asked who these people are and I said they are Kyle's family so it's not unusual for them to get their photo taken with him.

No big deal....right?

So a guy who is a patron off and on who usually only comes for the PK6 contests says Kyle bought Red Red Redneck.

And I said well it doesn't say that in my program.

He told to wipe my ass with that program because that was all it was good for!

This guy has told us before that back in the day he worked for Bill McHenry's stable which is probably true.

Instead of taking offense to his wipe my ass with my program comment I asked him how he knew this?

He said it's not a secret and that's why Brooks wasn't listed as trainer last start.

So clearly I overlooked the change last week.

Red Red Redneck went from David Brooks to Nicole Agosti as trainer but David & Adam Brooks were still owners.

Tonight was 2nd start Agosti with both Brooks still listed as owner.

Kyle was laying flat in the bike in the 2 hole with a monster hold from the 5/16's to the 3/4's ear plugs out.

So again we have a strange win photo at Hawthorne that doesn't match the program listing.

I haven't owned a horse since 2003 and I know eligibility papers are done electronically now.

Does it take 2 weeks to change them? 

Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: swoodall on August 03, 2018, 02:33:48 AM
Trainer Nicole Agosti records first career victory
 Thursday, August 02, 2018 - by Jim Miller, for Hawthorne Race Course

 



Stickney, IL --- The opener at Hawthorne on Thursday night (Aug. 2) saw a first as trainer Nicole Agosti recorded her first career victory.

The 26-year-old Agosti sent out Red Red Redneck for owners David and Adam Brooks to an upset victory in race one as driver Kyle Wilfong was able to squeeze through along the inside late for the score.

The win came in Agosti's sixth career start: she had previously sent out starters at Hoosier Park, along with Red Red Redneck debuting for her last week at Hawthorne. Coming from a racing background, Agosti’s parents worked with Standardbreds from the time Nicole was very young. The family transitioned to Thoroughbreds for a 10-year stretch starting when Nicole was 5 years old before moving back to the Standardbred industry.

The Buffalo, N.Y. native is known for her hard-working nature as she has worked tirelessly for the Brett Wilfong stable since 2012. At that time she met driver Kyle Wilfong and the two have been together since.

Red Red Redneck came to Agosti from trainer David Brooks. She stated, “I’ve been fortunate to help David on and off over the course of the last year. David wanted to try something different with Red Red Redneck and sent him to me with the hopes that a change of scenery would turn things around for him. Sometimes horses get complacent when they’ve been in the same spot and routine for a while. Red Red Redneck responded really well tonight and showed a lot of heart.”




And now we know. hcx.1
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: swoodall on August 03, 2018, 04:09:18 AM
Trainer Nicole Agosti records first career victory
 Thursday, August 02, 2018 - by Jim Miller, for Hawthorne Race Course

 



Stickney, IL --- The opener at Hawthorne on Thursday night (Aug. 2) saw a first as trainer Nicole Agosti recorded her first career victory.

The 26-year-old Agosti sent out Red Red Redneck for owners David and Adam Brooks to an upset victory in race one as driver Kyle Wilfong was able to squeeze through along the inside late for the score.

The win came in Agosti's sixth career start: she had previously sent out starters at Hoosier Park, along with Red Red Redneck debuting for her last week at Hawthorne. Coming from a racing background, Agosti’s parents worked with Standardbreds from the time Nicole was very young. The family transitioned to Thoroughbreds for a 10-year stretch starting when Nicole was 5 years old before moving back to the Standardbred industry.

The Buffalo, N.Y. native is known for her hard-working nature as she has worked tirelessly for the Brett Wilfong stable since 2012. At that time she met driver Kyle Wilfong and the two have been together since.

Red Red Redneck came to Agosti from trainer David Brooks. She stated, “I’ve been fortunate to help David on and off over the course of the last year. David wanted to try something different with Red Red Redneck and sent him to me with the hopes that a change of scenery would turn things around for him. Sometimes horses get complacent when they’ve been in the same spot and routine for a while. Red Red Redneck responded really well tonight and showed a lot of heart.”




And now we know. hcx.1



Well Jim Miller it was starter NOT starters.  94z.sm

It was Sunset Dreamer for the 4 starts at Hoosier in April.  11.wp

And that's according to Hoosier's official stats not mine. tmbz1

4 starts finishing 3rd twice and out of the money twice.

Not that anybody needs to do Jim Miller's homework for him but he used to work for CNN! ngc3 ngc3

No....not really he worked for Midwest T-Breds or something close to that. tmbz1

Jim's done a decent job with what he has to work with so I'll cut him some slack on his lack of homework this time.
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: The Fat Vet on August 03, 2018, 04:28:37 AM
Does this mean you dont have to wipe your ass with the program its like the oyher one you mentioned wildcat bobby and what ever the stable name was i looked it upyesterday whenyou posted it by the way its free on pathways now she owns the horse to according tp pathways she owns 3 and as far as angie coleman being in picture taking her first win photo with a friend maybe she friendswith roberts but i do get your point but kyleand his girlfriemd are friemds with angie and suset dreamer is rob ritoff horse angies boyfriend  tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: slivercharm on August 03, 2018, 08:26:46 AM
Nicole's hot hopefully we see more of her in the winners circle congrats
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: Jctoronto on August 03, 2018, 10:56:17 AM
Last nights hawthorne opener proved to be race of the night.. Ms. Karl's wildcat bob  'rallying' for third...allowing francos 3 and the rail 1 to get too big a jump..
Delicious ex tri and super delivered when leonards faux fave 7 spit the bit

franco dangerous everytime ...you just cant tell, incl last nights semi tight form
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: SoulAssassin on August 03, 2018, 11:36:36 AM


Well Jim Miller it was starter NOT starters.  94z.sm

It was Sunset Dreamer for the 4 starts at Hoosier in April.  11.wp

And that's according to Hoosier's official stats not mine. tmbz1

4 starts finishing 3rd twice and out of the money twice.

Not that anybody needs to do Jim Miller's homework for him but he used to work for CNN! ngc3 ngc3

No....not really he worked for Midwest T-Breds or something close to that. tmbz1

Jim's done a decent job with what he has to work with so I'll cut him some slack on his lack of homework this time.

nicole is kyles girlfriend not sister.

first wins are always special wins.

there are no rules as to who can and cant get in winners circle photos.

youve done a decent job listening to the grandstand know it alls so ill cut you some slack on your lack of homework this time.
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: horses first on August 03, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Don't worry less win photos for next year. With winter meet every other year and next summer Thursday night card gone. Just 70 or 71 dates for 2019. Exciting times! Thoroughbreds may not be any better and if no added gaming by the summer of 2019 Churchill may close Arlington.
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: swoodall on August 03, 2018, 02:34:57 PM
Does this mean you dont have to wipe your ass with the program its like the oyher one you mentioned wildcat bobby and what ever the stable name was i looked it upyesterday whenyou posted it by the way its free on pathways now she owns the horse to according tp pathways she owns 3 and as far as angie coleman being in picture taking her first win photo with a friend maybe she friendswith roberts but i do get your point but kyleand his girlfriemd are friemds with angie and suset dreamer is rob ritoff horse angies boyfriend  tmbz1 tmbz1



1.) Pathway is never free when I click on it.

2.) The whole point of the Wildcat Bobby thread (which most members understand)was Roberts never stopped training the horse! And using a beard equals better payouts! Maybe you understood that?

3.)Angie is Kyle's aunt. When I said they were all family I meant they were all family, not friends.

4.) It does absolutely no good to post these threads if you can't see the big picture? It's a puzzle that everyone else seems to get and they instinctively know where it's going. angbk 
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: swoodall on August 03, 2018, 02:42:48 PM
nicole is kyles girlfriend not sister.

first wins are always special wins.

there are no rules as to who can and cant get in winners circle photos.

youve done a decent job listening to the grandstand know it alls so ill cut you some slack on your lack of homework this time.




Winner circle photos are usually benign.

But depending on the cast of characters it can unveil a little more.

When the same group of owners and their friends show up everytime you notice.

When they don't and new faces are there but the program hasn't changed there is usually a reason and a lot of the time it's not a simple mistake in the program. It's by design to deceive you. 
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: swoodall on August 03, 2018, 02:44:51 PM
Don't worry less win photos for next year. With winter meet every other year and next summer Thursday night card gone. Just 70 or 71 dates for 2019. Exciting times! Thoroughbreds may not be any better and if no added gaming by the summer of 2019 Churchill may close Arlington.



So dark days money wasn't enough profit?

Now Hawthorne must vacate days to stay out of the red?
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: swoodall on August 03, 2018, 02:52:57 PM
Maybe he is just helping out


Really? angbk

If Ronnie or you want to help out put her face on the back of a milk carton and help find her. tmbz1
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: LUCPARK on August 03, 2018, 02:53:37 PM


So dark days money wasn't enough profit?

Now Hawthorne must vacate days to stay out of the red?

dude harness is fckin dead in ill

move on,,

..who cares,,if its 50 days or 70 days,,

no breedin ,,farms are closing ..

no winter meet to speak of,,

u own no horses,,go to otb,,enjoy gopod horses racing at slot tracks,

Illinois racing is on last leg,,maybe half a leg,,

...
Title: Re: More Possible Musical Chairs For Ownership/Trainer Questions At Hawthorne
Post by: Refusedtopace on August 03, 2018, 03:17:55 PM
Nicole has more knowledge in her pinky than Jen B has in her whole body.
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