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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: LUCPARK on May 28, 2019, 10:40:33 PM
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A SIRES PROGRAM DESIGNED WITH NO VISION
....26.500 FOR SIRES LEG ARE YOU KIDDING ME,,
THIS AINT MICHIGAN
GET A PLAN ,,BEFORE YOU TEAR DOWN A PERFECTLY GOOD PROGRAM THT A WAS WORKIN FOR YEARS..
THE DEMOCRATS HAVE LET AMERICA DOWN
NOW I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE LAST GREAT BECKON OF HOPE ..
A PLACE WHERE LITTLE CHANGE HAPPENS.
.THEN THIS
PARTICPATION TROPHIES TO ALL THE FUCKIN CRYBABIES AT STATE FAIRS..
ENJOY,,,HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE THE LAST YR. FOR HIS NONSENSE
AND THEY WILL GO BACK TO FIVE ELIMINATIONS FOR 20K AND 5 ,75K FINALS.
,,WE HAVE TO DO BETTER ,,
OR STEP THE FUCK DOWN.,.
ALL THE FUCKIN CRYBABIES WANT PARTICIPATION TROPHIES
JOIN THE FUCKING CUB SCOUTS OR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY..
BUT STOP RUINING THE BEST SIRES PROGRAM IN THE COUNTRY
26500 IS AN,..EMBARRESSMENT
THIS AINT HAWTHORNE..
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It's pretty simple and most common folk understand. 11.wp
Too much stakes money was being stolen by the juicers and the honest barns were getting shafted. :1
Under the new system the juicers will steal less and the mom and pops will receive more. 11.wp
Win - Win scenario if you believe in leveling the playing field? 62za.clp
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I don't believe that was the explanation that was given to me by Indiana commission office. This direction only helps the bigger stables that carry plenty of pacing inventory. Say if Burke, Miller, Brown to name a few has four or more pacing colts they now get 1 horse in each divison. Now they get to max out on points in each divison. Points earned along the way guarantee you could have two top trainers get 6 or more of the 10 final slots. How does that even the playing field? I see this year in and year out with PA trotting ranks loaded with Takter horses. Or in OH with Brown pacers. Or PA with Burke pacers. This way same as the old way in the other states cater to the big stables. With 8 of these legs all worth points by the 3rd leg mom and pop will be out of contention, horses will be beat up with fast miles getting a small check. Horses will drop out leaving 2 or 3 fields with bigger purses for the bigger trainers to take down. I'm common folk and don't see the win win here?
IN had the best program because off a tier basis. If you couldn't reach the 75k final after the elims. You had a 25k consolation and another 17k consolation if you had enough entries. One week you race for 20k the next for the 3 purses I provided. X 5 legs = 10 races. Now 8 legs and your first is for 26k. IN fucked up the best sire program in the states.
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I don't believe that was the explanation that was given to me by Indiana commission office. This direction only helps the bigger stables that carry plenty of pacing inventory. Say if Burke, Miller, Brown to name a few has four or more pacing colts they now get 1 horse in each divison. Now they get to max out on points in each divison. Points earned along the way guarantee you could have two top trainers get 6 or more of the 10 final slots. How does that even the playing field? I see this year in and year out with PA trotting ranks loaded with Takter horses. Or in OH with Brown pacers. Or PA with Burke pacers. This way same as the old way in the other states cater to the big stables. With 8 of these legs all worth points by the 3rd leg mom and pop will be out of contention, horses will be beat up with fast miles getting a small check. Horses will drop out leaving 2 or 3 fields with bigger purses for the bigger trainers to take down. I'm common folk and don't see the win win here?
IN had the best program because off a tier basis. If you couldn't reach the 75k final after the elims. You had a 25k consolation and another 17k consolation if you had enough entries. One week you race for 20k the next for the 3 purses I provided. X 5 legs = 10 races. Now 8 legs and your first is for 26k. IN fucked up the best sire program in the states.
Before today I knew nothing of the changes.
I watch the pre-race show with Emily and Steve Cross who explained the changes as a win for the smaller stables.
This year there are no consolation races and according to frick and frack there will be an average of 2-3 divisions depending on the number of entries which should spread the money out to more horses and therefore more barns.
At least that is the what I took away from their conversation.
But honestly Jim, I believe you over them. tmbz1
I kinda felt they were going a little bit overboard defending the new system.
Which meant there had to be some pissed off horsemen who were against these changes...like Luke.
I took that to mean the dominate horses would make less money overall while the rest trickled down.
If how you explained it is true, and I believe you hit the nail on the head, then I got then the management spin.
Not knowing the details left me to assume that how they were spinning the changes had to be straight up.
And by the way they did reference Pennsylvania as a model they were emulating.
So Rocco I apologize for repeating the corporate spin.
I guess Emily and Steve will say what they are paid to say. 11.dt
....I just finished cleaning up the water in my garage, luckily no damage this time.....can someone please stop the rain?
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Two yrs olds will have many more divisions with 2 less final legs
I see 15k to l8k sires legs for pacers
Very sad what has been done to a once
Great sires program
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FUCK ALL YOU ILLINOISE CRY BABAIES
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https://www.in.gov/hrc/files/ISS%20dates.pdf
SWOODALL COMPLAINING AS IF HE OWNS A HORSE. NOW THATS A RIOT BY A CRYBABY LEFTIST. COMPLAIN JUST TO COMPLAIN
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Emily gaskin love to date those apes! 🧔🏾👨🏿 That holiday kid is about to lose his mind. But she just can’t help it. 😂
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Indyanna would be wise to make Sires stake racing open only to true Indyanna Residents, Keep those ILLYNOISE scums where they belong, behind state lines
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seems like a bad idea
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That’s about the stupidest thing I’ve heard there is only so many horseman that live in Indiana so if they isolate outside people that would kill the breeding industry.
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All the Heavyweight 3 YO are in to go. Who comes out on top is anyone's guess ?
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YOU MIDWEST FOLK SHOULD BE RACING IN JERSEY
$160K PURSE GOT 5 ENTRANTS
$120K GOT 4
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seems like a bad idea
WE CAN ONLY that BETTER THOUGHT AND VISION GOES INTO SIRES STAKES PROGRAM FOR 2020
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All the Heavyweight 3 YO are in to go. Who comes out on top is anyone's guess ?
3 of the 4 divisions are good
race 4 is incredibly good race..
..I got it
race 4,,,
6 1 3 7....in that order see what happens its gonna be good one
maybe RGF can get lucky and move up a FEW SPOTS.. ;D ;D ;D
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Emily gaskin love to date those apes! 🧔🏾👨🏿 That holiday kid is about to lose his mind. But she just can’t help it. 😂
Why you have to say mean stuff ? Be nice when you is typing ideas and it'll make you feel very much better. Be nice and the whole world smells good too
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Emily gaskin love to date those apes! 🧔🏾👨🏿 That holiday kid is about to lose his mind. But she just can’t help it. 😂
Emily is a married woman. She does not date
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I am glad to see Indiana start paying Sires steak horse smaller purses. The extra money should go to propping up purses for everyday horsemen, They are what the industry is all about.
Why does the Illinois clan complain about everything in this sport? They are a huge reason the sport is in such bad shape nowadaze
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Some people just like to complain, they don’t force you to race in sire stakes.
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Not sure why Puke is complaining anyway, not like he’s going to get a check anyway
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How is the IL clan any different from any other in the industry? Didn't MI once it died shift to IL and IN? When OH went in the dumps they moved onto PA. NJ went belly up scattered to NY and PA. KY moved sires to PA and NY. Now OH and IN. IL was a premier place to race for decades and in the 80's had more mares bred then any other state. It was NJ and IL then the rest. When IL began its down fall late 90' into the 2000's all the top trainers and drivers left for the east coast. Most still reign dominant out east.
Don't think Luc is crying about the new IN format more so they went from having the best sire format after years of format changes. The ones in IN that complained about the changes will find it harder to make money. Especially when more money by Brown, Burke, and Miller will take advantage of the new format that now mirrors PA. Also owners racing in the sire program will find 2 to 3 less races and on average lower purses. Not that any less money is being taken away and used for overnights. Sure for the first few legs things will spread out money for more people. But it condenses as the meet goes on and the big trainers with numbers will dominant.
I might be a former IL but once the nails entered the coffin further in 2010 owners started spending millions and millions outside of IL. Was easy to find 5mln or more in spent between Lex, Harrisburg, and IN sales. Shouldn't matter as overseas money is spent and raced in different jurisdictions, ON money spent to race in the states, and in general it's a big melting pot of money from everywhere keeping the game afloat with slot fueled purses.
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I NEVER CRY,,
I JUST POINT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION
ITS UP THEM WHAT LANE THEY CHOOSE..
IM A CHRISTIAN AND ALL THE CHRISTIAN I KNOW TOLD ME THIS
NEW SIRES PROGRAM STINKS,,
CAN ALL THE CHRISTIANS BE WRONG?
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NAC next for some of these, If they can cut the Mustard
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You all should race for 10% of the betting handle, or about 5k per race, nothing more...you guys complain about democrats but are more than willing to accept welfare from states for purses???? Lmao.
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Bunch of welfare queens crying.
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Can all the wrong ones be Christians?
The Evangelical ones who suck Trump's dick are. That's a no brainer. And No, I am not targeting the catholics even though I am protestant and belong to the church that Henry the 8th formed. LOL
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How is the IL clan any different from any other in the industry? Didn't MI once it died shift to IL and IN? When OH went in the dumps they moved onto PA. NJ went belly up scattered to NY and PA. KY moved sires to PA and NY. Now OH and IN. IL was a premier place to race for decades and in the 80's had more mares bred then any other state. It was NJ and IL then the rest. When IL began its down fall late 90' into the 2000's all the top trainers and drivers left for the east coast. Most still reign dominant out east.
Don't think Luc is crying about the new IN format more so they went from having the best sire format after years of format changes. The ones in IN that complained about the changes will find it harder to make money. Especially when more money by Brown, Burke, and Miller will take advantage of the new format that now mirrors PA. Also owners racing in the sire program will find 2 to 3 less races and on average lower purses. Not that any less money is being taken away and used for overnights. Sure for the first few legs things will spread out money for more people. But it condenses as the meet goes on and the big trainers with numbers will dominant.
I might be a former IL but once the nails entered the coffin further in 2010 owners started spending millions and millions outside of IL. Was easy to find 5mln or more in spent between Lex, Harrisburg, and IN sales. Shouldn't matter as overseas money is spent and raced in different jurisdictions, ON money spent to race in the states, and in general it's a big melting pot of money from everywhere keeping the game afloat with slot fueled purses.
it don’t matter where you race or the purse size
The big stables get most of the $$$$$ anyway.
A good Illinois bred will make 60k racing 5 months a year
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How about we get back to the merits of the changes Indiana has made to it's Sire Stakes program.
Ignore the mindless drabble spewed by Germy and his ilk.
Luc, today Emily and Steve did a short review of yesterday's show addressing the sire stakes changes.
Again as I said earlier they both concluded these changes would lead to more participation in the stakes program and more stakes money landing in the hands of the mid-level talented horses.
My understanding of their reasoning is that the more horses that enter the more divisions will be needed to race and those divisions will be filled by a luck of the draw NOT by seeding.
Therefore if Burke has 4 entries they could theoretically end up in the same division.
Which of course would limit the points Burke could earn in that leg for his horses and make it harder for Burke to get all 4 entries into the final which is based on total points earned.
So what are the chances a large stable could be hurt by these new rule changes?
Slim and none......but not zero.
What are the chances smaller stables will be hurt monetarily by the loss of consolation races?
My Magic 8 Ball says.....most definitely! 91zxa.1
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OF COURSE GIMPS LIKE SWINDLE WOULD BE FOR A CONSOLATION DIVISION. AFTER ALL THAT IS WHAT DISABILITY CHECKS ARE. MONEY FOR LOSERS, CHECKS ARE FREE. THE ONLY REASON HE LOST, AT THE GAME OF LIFE, IS BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE CHEATED. YOU ARE A VICTIM, LOSER SYNDROME. SHAME YOU AND YOUR ILK WERENT ABORTED. PRO LIFE AND PRO WINNER IS A PROVEN SUCCESS STORY. STANDING IN LINE FOR FREE GOVT CHEESE IS SWINDLES IDEA OF SUCCESS
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How about we get back to the merits of the changes Indiana has made to it's Sire Stakes program.
Ignore the mindless drabble spewed by Germy and his ilk.
Luc, today Emily and Steve did a short review of yesterday's show addressing the sire stakes changes.
Again as I said earlier they both concluded these changes would lead to more participation in the stakes program and more stakes money landing in the hands of the mid-level talented horses.
My understanding of their reasoning is that the more horses that enter the more divisions will be needed to race and those divisions will be filled by a luck of the draw NOT by seeding.
Therefore if Burke has 4 entries they could theoretically end up in the same division.
Which of course would limit the points Burke could earn in that leg for his horses and make it harder for Burke to get all 4 entries into the final which is based on total points earned.
So what are the chances a large stable could be hurt by these new rule changes?
Slim and none......but not zero.
What are the chances smaller stables will be hurt monetarily by the loss of consolation races?
My Magic 8 Ball says.....most definitely! 91zxa.1
Luck of the draw is the right way to go.. I’ve seen horses change barns to guarantee they wouldn’t have to race against the top horse until the final.
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WHY NOT JUST SEED ALL THE RACES? ASSIGN LAST WEEKS WINNER WITH THE FASTEST TIME THE OUTSIDE POST, HAVE ALL THE 1ST AND 2ND PLACE FINISHERS COMPETE AGAINST EACH OTHER IN THE 2ND LEG, THE 3'S AND THE 4'S 5 AND 6;S SO ON AND SO FORTH
HELL WHY RACE AT ALL? JUST SPLIT THE MONEY EVENLY. SAVE ALOT OF WEAR AND TEAR ON THE POOR OLD HORSES
IS THAT WHAT YOU WELFARE QUEENS WANT? INSTEAD OF A 250K FINAL HAVE 5, 50K FINALS. AND EVERYONE GETS A BLANKET SAYING THEY WERE A CHAMPION
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WHY NOT JUST SEED ALL THE RACES? ASSIGN LAST WEEKS WINNER WITH THE FASTEST TIME THE OUTSIDE POST, HAVE ALL THE 1ST AND 2ND PLACE FINISHERS COMPETE AGAINST EACH OTHER IN THE 2ND LEG, THE 3'S AND THE 4'S 5 AND 6;S SO ON AND SO FORTH
HELL WHY RACE AT ALL? JUST SPLIT THE MONEY EVENLY. SAVE ALOT OF WEAR AND TEAR ON THE POOR OLD HORSES
IS THAT WHAT YOU WELFARE QUEENS WANT? INSTEAD OF A 250K FINAL HAVE 5, 50K FINALS. AND EVERYONE GETS A BLANKET SAYING THEY WERE A CHAMPION
Yes rocky has a better chance at winning and then saying cheeze in winners circle
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I want you guys to get as much legit $$ as you can.
I dont own a horse...i just bet harness racing.
...and I know this from past Indiana and other circuits' action.
Put a past performance program in my hand and let me bet consolation races..any track, anywhere..and ill make money
Nothing harder in world than betting a race with 10 horses all finishing 1, 2, 3 week before. No angles. no edge.
Simply a champioship event to be watched and enjoyed.
Consolation events allow for all kinds of surprises and much better payoffs...sign me up.
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Steve, if it actually is luck of the draw it's a good start because the way it is currently set up in other jurisdictions has favored the bigger barns.
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HORSES WITH SAME TRAINER ARE SEPARATED IN DIFFERENT RACES
NO HORSE FROM SAME BARN WILL RACE AGAINST EACH OTHER UNLESS ITS IN THE SUPERFINAL
OR if THERE are not ENUFF DIVISIONS THRU OUT THE LEGS of series
ERV HAS 3 HORSES FRI EACH ONE IN SEPARTE DIV,,
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im against this format this yr,,
but as i was told yesterday
particpation at sales were down about 5 percent last 6 yrs or so
so hopefully this format will encourage
more owners and new blood in the game/
so if it helps the sport at hoosier i guess they can try it
IT IS WHAT IT IS...at this point
time marches on
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Yeah noticed the 4 divisions Steve, 7 trainers have 2 or more entries. They are separated. So the luck of the draw theory...Not so much. Luc it wasn't that the sale was down it has to do with not enough IN sired horses racing in the sire stakes divison. They average barely 2.5 divisions and believe NOT all the sire stake money was being used up. That was the biggest concern. However if there are more then enough being bred to sell and race. It just means more so, one thing
most of the horses aren't good enough to race in the sire stakes. You can have a couple standout sires but if you have a lot of marginal sires going to marginal Amish mares are you expecting more then the fair circuit?
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HORSES WITH SAME TRAINER ARE SEPARATED IN DIFFERENT RACES
NO HORSE FROM SAME BARN WILL RACE AGAINST EACH OTHER UNLESS ITS IN THE SUPERFINAL
OR if THERE are not ENUFF DIVISIONS THRU OUT THE LEGS of series
ERV HAS 3 HORSES FRI EACH ONE IN SEPARTE DIV,,
THEY HAVN'T SEEN TO MANY PROGRAMS IF THEY DONT KNOW THIS
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OF COURSE GIMPS LIKE SWINDLE WOULD BE FOR A CONSOLATION DIVISION. AFTER ALL THAT IS WHAT DISABILITY CHECKS ARE. MONEY FOR LOSERS, CHECKS ARE FREE. THE ONLY REASON HE LOST, AT THE GAME OF LIFE, IS BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE CHEATED. YOU ARE A VICTIM, LOSER SYNDROME. SHAME YOU AND YOUR ILK WERENT ABORTED. PRO LIFE AND PRO WINNER IS A PROVEN SUCCESS STORY. STANDING IN LINE FOR FREE GOVT CHEESE IS SWINDLES IDEA OF SUCCESS
Putting someone down for getting a government check in a thread where crying are crying about....governme nt handouts. ngc3 ngc3
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Listen everybody I made it clear that I was repeating the official position of Hoosier Park according to Emily and Steve.
If they are wrong, misinformed or just plain lied then that is beyond my control.
I don't see the culpability in relating the information as it was explained on their broadcast.
I simply heard the explanation of the new rules and assuming they were accurate thought it was more fair.
But if I have been mislead then I have the right to adjust my position based on the facts not their spin.
It was clearly stated and reiterated several times that all legs would be filled by luck of the draw.
Apparently that is not true. Or at least by these first set of entries appears not to be true.
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OF COURSE GIMPS LIKE SWINDLE WOULD BE FOR A CONSOLATION DIVISION. AFTER ALL THAT IS WHAT DISABILITY CHECKS ARE. MONEY FOR LOSERS, CHECKS ARE FREE. THE ONLY REASON HE LOST, AT THE GAME OF LIFE, IS BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE CHEATED. YOU ARE A VICTIM, LOSER SYNDROME. SHAME YOU AND YOUR ILK WERENT ABORTED. PRO LIFE AND PRO WINNER IS A PROVEN SUCCESS STORY. STANDING IN LINE FOR FREE GOVT CHEESE IS SWINDLES IDEA OF SUCCESS
The level of ignorance here is just mind boggling. 43z.stf
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Listen everybody I made it clear that I was repeating the official position of Hoosier Park according to Emily and Steve.
If they are wrong, misinformed or just plain lied then that is beyond my control.
I don't see the culpability in relating the information as it was explained on their broadcast.
I simply heard the explanation of the new rules and assuming they were accurate thought it was more fair.
But if I have been mislead then I have the right to adjust my position based on the facts not their spin.
It was clearly stated and reiterated several times that all legs would be filled by luck of the draw.
Apparently that is not true. Or at least by these first set of entries appears not to be true.
The official stance of Hoosier according to an unknown source, told to possibly 2 others, who in turn repeated what the first unknown source said......SEE ANY PROBLEMS HERE?
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The official stance of Hoosier according to an unknown source, told to possibly 2 others, who in turn repeated what the first unknown source said......SEE ANY PROBLEMS HERE?
This is just stupid. 94z.sm
It's their official pre-race show they do every race day. 11.wp
You act as if they don't know their own sire stakes program.
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This is just stupid. 94z.sm
It's their official pre-race show they do every race day. 11.wp
You act as if they don't know their own sire stakes program.
Own what you post Steve. tmbz1
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GL Lucpark if you are in them. Indiana has good betting races in there sire stakes because they are way more even then most states
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GL Lucpark if you are in them. Indiana has good betting races in there sire stakes because they are way more even then most states
we ran fourth in our race,,raced pretty nice 50/4 nice lst quarter.
26/3
thk you
hopefully we draw better and run closer next time,,
so many fast indy bred horses
its GRAND CIRCUIT RACING EVERY LEG OF SIRES.
BRIAN B,COLT IS SUPER NICE,, tmbz1
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we ran fourth in our race,,raced pretty nice 50/4 nice lst quarter.
26/3
thk you
hopefully we draw better and run closer next time,,
so many fast indy bred horses
its GRAND CIRCUIT RACING EVERY LEG OF SIRES.
BRIAN B,COLT IS SUPER NICE,, tmbz1
raced awsome
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raced awsome
THK U MY FRIEND..
tmbz1 tmbz1
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Brian Brown, I need not say more.
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Brian Brown, I need not say more.
tmbz1
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Brian Brown, I need not say more.
ITS NICE TO BE A WINNER AFTER THE RACE,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
I NEED NOT SAY MORE ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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REDDER RED HOT..Hop on Boys, been there for 2 weeks. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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REDDER RED HOT..Hop on Boys, been there for 2 weeks. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
NO NEED TO COUNT, JUST WEIGH IT?
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we ran fourth in our race,,raced pretty nice 50/4 nice lst quarter.
26/3
thk you
hopefully we draw better and run closer next time,,
so many fast indy bred horses
its GRAND CIRCUIT RACING EVERY LEG OF SIRES.
BRIAN B,COLT IS SUPER NICE,, tmbz1
FRAMED RACED GOOD,,,,,MAYBE MORE AGGRESSIVE DRIVE NEXT WEEK