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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: NJ The best on June 09, 2020, 04:07:29 PM
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Jeff tells the horseman you can use the track just cover all the costs including the purses for one night a week .
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What's wrong with that?
He is just trying to help the horseman out. For the Meadowlands 2 nights they had 777 horses entered for 260 open slots.
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East Rutherford, NJ - The number of horses entered this morning for the weekend harness racing draw at The Meadowlands was a staggering 777.
With the purse account under duress from compromised revenue streams this year, the number of races will remain at 13 for each day which leaves more than 500 horses with no place to race. There is simply not the revenue in The Meadowlands purse account to fund the addition of more racing days.
Recognizing that the hardship continues to increase for owners and trainers as more time passes time passes without an answer on how to get horses raced and when the various sires stakes will get underway, Jeff Gural has a thought to try and give more horses a chance to race.
Pending NJ Commission and state approval, The Meadowlands would consider leasing the track to horsemen's associations to add a race card beginning next week for a few weeks as necessary until more tracks open, provided they could fund the purses from their purse or sires stake account.
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What's wrong with that?
He is just trying to help the horseman out. For the Meadowlands 2 nights they had 777 horses entered for 260 open slots.
Helping the horeman by allowing them to pay him?
Yeah, that's a wonderful gesture.
Even by his own standards, he's outdone himself this time
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What happened to the state subsidy he received last year of 6 million? Plus all the revenue from the fan duel Sportsbook . He rents the track for one dollar a year . He can’t put up one extra night of racing himself ? Please so I have to put up a few hundred to race as does everyone else and we have at it . Plus we pay for the lights , vet, ambulance, starter ect . But we don’t share In the handle ? Sounds like a great deal for Gural . He’s only worth 2.6 billion and needs to do this ?
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WHY CANT THE HORSEMEN RACE FOR THE MONEY GENERATED BY HANDLE?
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agree completely with you mike!
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It’s time for PA to get with it and start racing. Finally got the meadows.
Let’s go PD and Chester. Wolf is killing PA with his different county phases.
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This might be in regards to the problems of rescheduling stake races. NY already has the stake money and with Buffalo not wanting stakes, Monticello in dire straights according to some and no one knowing when Yonkers might race, it would be a good option. The handle would cover some if not all of the expenses.
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Why do people rip Gural. He isn't obligated to pay for purses out of own pocket but he does. He is a business man just like everyone else. McDonalds doesn't give away burgers. Walmart doesn't let you leave the store without paying and yet there are a bunch of whiners who criticize him because he doesn't fund harness racing and the dysfunction it possesses.
NOT RIPPING ON GURAL AT ALL, I DONT THINK GURAL OR SLOTS OR SUBSIDIES SHOULD PAY THE HORSEMEN ONE PENNY. IF AFTER PAYING ALL BILLS THERE IS 1700 LEFT LET THEM RACE 10 RACES FOR 170 WINNER TAKES ALL.
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Please you know he’s doing his typical savior stuff .
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Should we assume if something happens to Jeff the Game is over then . Who will run and pay for the big m .
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Jeff tells the horseman you can use the track just cover all the costs including the purses for one night a week .
horsemen don't know how to make the game profitable
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Exactly. Whether you like him or not the question is would the sport be better with him or without him? Obviously, it needs him. He is a businessman but he also supports the racing and it's obvious he's not making any money doing it right now. He was able to get the Meadowlands, Tioga and Vernon reopened while Yonkers, Pocono, Monticello and Saratoga remain dark. If he wanted those 3 tracks closed they easily would be closed and there would be no harness racing in NY or NJ except Buffalo. Look at the disaster called baseball if you want other possible all in outcomes with no compromise. Enough said.
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I guess the horseman better hope his health is better than it looks at times . He is approaching 80 folks
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WHY CANT THE HORSEMEN RACE FOR THE MONEY GENERATED BY HANDLE?
tmbz1
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I guess the horseman better hope his health is better than it looks at times . He is approaching 80 folks
game over without gural
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Why do people rip Gural. He isn't obligated to pay for purses out of own pocket but he does. He is a business man just like everyone else. McDonalds doesn't give away burgers. Walmart doesn't let you leave the store without paying and yet there are a bunch of whiners who criticize him because he doesn't fund harness racing and the dysfunction it possesses.
He is making a public offer to the horsemans assn to lwt them pay him money to use his track. As usual, in a magnanimous fashion. That doesn't unnerve you at all?
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gural lost money friday and saturday having racing
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gural lost money friday and saturday having racing
HES SICK OF PAYING I HEARD
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IF NO ASSOC WANTS TO PAY,,,,,,WAIT FOR PA.....TIME IS TICKING,,,POCONO JULY6TH,,,,,,,,CHESTER A WHILE LONGER
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THE SITUATION TODAY IN HARNESS RACING IS NOTHING AS IT WAS BACK IN THE 60'S AND 70'S AND EVEN 80'S. THE RECENT INDICTMENTS TRULY HAVE ARMED THE CASINOS TO DO AWAY WITH RACING ALTOGETHER AS THEY STATE THEIR PRODUCT HAS BEEN DAMAGED AND TARNISHED. THE MOVEMENT TO ELIMINATE RACING HAS TRULY TAKEN MORE LIFE.
IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT A NEW ADMINISTRATION BE FORMED QUICKLY AND A LOT OF MONEY NEEDS SPENT TO LOBBY ---THIS IS NOT A MAYBE OR AN OPTION...WITHOUT IT RACING IS TRULY UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE TO EXIST AS WE KNOW IT!!
THIS SITUATION MUST BE DEALT WITH IMMEDIATELY AS THE CASINOS DO NOT NEED RACING. EVERYONE INVOLVED BETTER COME TO THE REALIZATION THAT THE TABLES HAVE TURNED AND IMMEDIATE ACTION IS REQUIRED.
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yes the game needshelp,
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My problem with Gural isn't about his greed. It's about his lack of integrity. When he basically extorted the state into LEASING the Pig M for a $1, he also demanded concessions from the workers as well. If he is losing money NOW, too God damned bad for him. However, everyone should remember his so called stance on the integrity issue. He was a factor in the investigation and subsequent banning of Pena. They went and tracked his financial records. I actually applaud that, BUT if they did it to him, why not Burke, or Juicin' Julie/Andy Miller? Because he EMPLOYS them. When he first came onto the scene he had me fooled. I give credit to Viking who always said that this guy was a snake. (Apologies to Doc Narotsky ) He employs two of the biggest juicers in the game. He also may have some issue with the Propulsion drama. Little E was a part owner of that horse when it was sold at the Tattersalls sale ion Aug. 2, 2015 for $210.000. The horse was nerved sometime in late April of 2015. I have been told it is the owner's responsibility to inform the horse was nerved before he can enter the sale. Daniel Reden, the current trainer of Propulsion, says he had no idea he had had the procedure done. Reden was not present at the sale, but Marcus Melander purchased the horse on Reden and Brixton Medical AB's behalf. IF the previous owners of Propulsion, which were Brittany Farms, Joe Sbrocco, Ltttle E LLC, and a stable comprised of Marvin Katz, Al Libfeld, and Sam Goldband, did not notify Tsttersalls, could they be held accountable?
I find it hard to believe Reden did not inspect Propulsion, once he got him, however I also find it hard to believe they would pay $210 K for a horse they couldn't race. Gural's word, to me, is worthless. He leased the Pig M, hoping that he would be getting a casino there. It had nothing to do with wanting to keep racing at the Pig M.
Sincerely, Silent One
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the man is not greedy
just wants to be called the savior
whats so bad
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If you don't agree with the way Gural runs HIS business, then race/wager at a track he doesn't own. There are plenty of them.
I do wager at other tracks, and by looking at the Pig M's handle, apparently so do others.
Sincerely, Silent One
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CASINOS CANT SUPPORT CHEATING
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Here is a situation that I agree with Gural.
When he was quoted saying... every day we turn the lights on, we lose money.... he wasn’t kidding and in my opinion the weekend handle was nothing great and definitely way short of covering purse money.
Not sure when sports book will open or even have something worth while to gamble on but the Meds and every track our losing money everyday under current purse structure. I love the USTA boasting about the record handles at Tioga. Yay, they had enough money to cover the purses thru the 4th race.
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Here is a situation that I agree with Gural.
When he was quoted saying.. I love the USTA boasting about the record handles at Tioga.
YEA, THE USTA'S BOASTING WAS THAT THEY POSTED AN ARTICLE BY
JOHN HORNE
WHO WORKS FOR TIOGA DOWNS....
HE WASNT BOASTING
HE WAS ASS KISSING
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So people are calling him selfish for offering the track to the horsemen so it frees up the two days of overnight racing and they don't lose any of those races to stakes races. He's doing you a favor morons.
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So people are calling him selfish for offering the track to the horsemen so it frees up the two days of overnight racing and they don't lose any of those races to stakes races. He's doing you a favor morons.
welfare people are never happy
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Why do people rip Gural. He isn't obligated to pay for purses out of own pocket but he does. He is a business man just like everyone else. McDonalds doesn't give away burgers. Walmart doesn't let you leave the store without paying and yet there are a bunch of whiners who criticize him because he doesn't fund harness racing and the dysfunction it possesses.
Well then MAYBE gural should NOT rip the horsemen for going to a different track to race and moan about horsemens loyalty. EVERYONE KNOWS gural ONLY cares about himself.
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Mark Ford said that the owners don’t want to pony up money for the purses . They want to know why Jeff took the subsidies to pay himself back which I guess is fair . So there are not going to be any extra days since as usual everyone is broke . If Gural passes the Game is finished at his 3 tracks .
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I PERSONALLY BELEIVE THAT THE THREE TRACKS WITH THE BIG M COULD BE SOLD VERY EASILY. THERE IS NO DOUBT. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT INVESTORS COULD LITERALLY BUY THIS WITH LUNCH MONEY AS THE MONEY IS READILY AVAILABLE AT LOW RATES. IN FACT THE HORSEMAN COULD BUY THE 3 TRACKS WITH A PUBLIC CORPORATION AND RECEIVE THE FUNDING.
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE---JUST WALL STREET. HAPPENS EVERYDAY! THIS IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY----VERY SMALL INVESTMENT! IT CAN BE DONE AND THEN THE HORSEMEN COULD CONTROL SOMEWHAT --THEIR FUTURE IN THOSE THREE TRACKS.
MONEY TALKS! EVEN TODAY!
I AM SURE MR. GURAL WOULD ENTERTAIN A REAL OFFER WITH REAL MONEY!
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Mark Ford said that the owners don’t want to pony up money for the purses . They want to know why Jeff took the subsidies to pay himself back which I guess is fair . So there are not going to be any extra days since as usual everyone is broke . If Gural passes the Game is finished at his 3 tracks .
I would think that is a strong possibility. Unless, his estate sells to the minority share holders. The family has zero interest in racing.
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I PERSONALLY BELEIVE THAT THE THREE TRACKS WITH THE BIG M COULD BE SOLD VERY EASILY. THERE IS NO DOUBT. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT INVESTORS COULD LITERALLY BUY THIS WITH LUNCH MONEY AS THE MONEY IS READILY AVAILABLE AT LOW RATES. IN FACT THE HORSEMAN COULD BUY THE 3 TRACKS WITH A PUBLIC CORPORATION AND RECEIVE THE FUNDING.
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE---JUST WALL STREET. HAPPENS EVERYDAY! THIS IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY----VERY SMALL INVESTMENT! IT CAN BE DONE AND THEN THE HORSEMEN COULD CONTROL SOMEWHAT --THEIR FUTURE IN THOSE THREE TRACKS.
MONEY TALKS! EVEN TODAY!
I AM SURE MR. GURAL WOULD ENTERTAIN A REAL OFFER WITH REAL MONEY!
Horsemen can’t agree on what time of day it is. How would you expect them to run a track ??
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welfare people are never happy
Mr Pigland you and I have discussed this issue quite a bit in the past. So I ask the question again, not to you but other posters, which came first "Goooofffrrrraaaal llllll's love affair with casinos" or his "luv of whorse racing". His record is quite clear, before Vernon was bought from bankruptcy, he DEMANDED the Casino at Vernon, no question. When Mr Gooooffffrrrraaaa llllll wanted Tioga to be built, which came first "the casino deal" or "the track". And of course the casino was a prerequisite DEMAND for both Vernon and Tioga, NO QUESTION.
So when Mr Goooooffffrrrrrra aallllll was in "Savoir" mode it wasn't about whorse racing, it was about HIS CASINO at Pinky Downs. One should remember all the plans drawn up, all the pomp and circumstance about the Knew PIG M Casino.
Much like DJT, Gooooofffrrrrraaa aalllllll thinks the world revolves around him. Without these 2 dumb fucks where would the world be right now. We hear it day in, day out. It's all about MONEY, not DJT's so called love of his country or Gooooffffrrrrrraa aaallllll's love affair with whorse racing. It doesn't exist for either one, but they continually promote the same BS, night after night after night 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp.
If the old timers think back, what was the Big M called when it first opened, The Swamp because it was right next to a landfill.
And when DJT got in, he was going to drain the swamp. Only problem, both swamps are filled with more alligators and crocidiles then ever before. Take your pick, the Government Swamp ruled by DJT or the Pinky Downs Swamp run by JG. Both are a disaster and much worse off now then before 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp.
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Hush. You should really live up to your name and do so. You keep spouting the same drivel over and over again while pretending (hopefully you're just pretending)not to know the obvious. His love of horse racing has been around a LOT longer than the possibility of slots has been a factor in this industry. He is an astute business man. Why not try to combine something you love with an option to make money (lots of it!) doing it? Seems like a natural if you're smart enough and have the means and knowledge to do so. Once again, no one else stepped up to do so when given a chance, nor has anyone else even tried successfully to do what he is doing anywhere else given his situation. He also was able to to open a sportsbook that outhandles VEGAS! The guy is a financial Genius and a patient one at that. Quit being so Jelly and turn the page on this, or you will continue to look like a fool!
Please, astute business man ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3, he inherited from daddddiiieeeeee, did not earn. Runs 3 losers and then cries for welfare. Protects and associates with the cheats. Nobody heard of Gooooooffffrrrraa aaallllllll Inc prior to his Vernon Casino involvement, NOBODY. 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp Conjure up another wet dream 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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Why he bothers with any of this is amazing since he owns the most expensive properties in New York city ! He’s worth 2.6 billion and gets involved with this nonsense.
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Gural has done more for Harness Racing than anyone or any group
from what I see.
What has Stronach done for Harness Racing .0
How about all the other Industry Bigs? 0
He kept the Meadowlands open and if he didn't step up to the plate
you would have 0.
The losers donot like to see
success as that reminds them why they are failures.
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Easy Amityvilleboy, theses fools here will paint you the Amityville Horror with pro Jeffery statements.
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Easy Amityvilleboy, theses fools here will paint you the Amityville Horror with pro Jeffery statements.
Pro Jeffery statements are fine, BUT why 20 threads worth ?
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amityvillehorror boy has left the building ngc3