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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Wendall Tilley on May 22, 2021, 06:26:39 PM
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It's quite obvious. They are not fooling anybody.
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Apparently they are!. The testing labs!
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Horses leaving from my track and going North are growing wings. That silly Butterfields using it no doubt in my mind. Maine should be ashamed letting him do what he is doing there... poor horses...
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hey he is only winning 50 percent of his many races.
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he is an old school trainer,does his own work
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From what I'm told he's a jackass... could care less about the animal.. thats the sad part.
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Watch the replay of race 8 from cumberland yesterday. Butterfields horse hadnt moved a muscle for a year and yesterday its first up and parked the mile and surges to win. An amazing form reversal.
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Thanks! 49.00
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What does Maine actually test for??? lol
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whats even sadder is before the 8th race the poor horse was so crippled he had to go score down before the vet. vet said "i think he has 4 legs hes ok" we laugh and joke about blind judges and we have mr magoo as a vet. how many lawsuits will happen when one of these animals breaks down and someone gets hurt?
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What does Maine actually test for??? lol
Lobster. Don't laugh. Testing can be bisquey business.
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The driver of the mentioned horse has cognitive deficiency.
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What tracks can Butterfield race at? Is it only here in Maine? Is that confirmed or his choice? Most of his horses are cheaper ones.
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If you win 15 races a year in cheap horses, you might break even. It’s a hobby here (or delusion) for most. If you get the entire handle on most races, you got a tank of gas and a lobster roll. But for the few who play it, the few who own them, and the few who work in it, it’s important. Every year, one closer to oblivion, let them enjoy it while they can.
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trainer butterfield only licensed in maine. in the last year with over 105 starts win percentage 43 utr .541.
crap from monti slow and crippled are going in 55 on cumberlands fairground oval and looking like they could do it going backwards. its no wonder maine racing is on its last legs. testing? in maine whats that? although i think a few years ago there was a caffeine positive. then again his horses dont live long enough to be tested. grim i agree with you but on one thing, i myself dont enjoy handdicapping or racing against who has the best drugs. its not enjoyable. another maine note 2 weeks into cumberland and post time change. last few tracks i been at closed shortly after changing. not a very good sign.
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Obviously not testing for EPO takes too much time and money. How about gas??? Bucket boy tubes, jugs and needles. Pops a positive and swept under the rug!
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Too bad people put a lot of work and time to get something going and have it ruined by a few assholes.Manageme nt should just throw them out to everybody benefit.What do you think dom?
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management is about as good as the testing. bunch of people from across the country that know everything. just ask them, they will tell you how great they are. two weeks into meet a post time change. yea thats why no one is betting cumberland. while handle is better than the downs it goes out to literally 100's of places more than downs was. handle 1/3 of bangor. i have seen many a track mess with post times this early in a meeting. none lasted another year.
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Today was the end for me. Beards and drugged horses all day. I thought there was hope but its worse than ever. Let it die. If the people in charge dont care then i dont care. Im done.
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Today was the end for me. Beards and drugged horses all day. I thought there was hope but its worse than ever. Let it die. If the people in charge dont care then i dont care. Im done.
Chris Schick Thinks he’s doing great. Pompous mother fucker.
management is about as good as the testing. bunch of people from across the country that know everything. just ask them, they will tell you how great they are. two weeks into meet a post time change. yea thats why no one is betting cumberland. while handle is better than the downs it goes out to literally 100's of places more than downs was. handle 1/3 of bangor. i have seen many a track mess with post times this early in a meeting. none lasted another year.
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It is getting to be a joke.To top it off Tully writes an article about mr. gas and his whip happy driver.Nauseating to say the least. Nice to see bo in the winners circle though ! LOL Maybe somebody ought to have a talk with them. Me I'm going fishing.
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To win a nice % of races is always a trainer's hope. But to win at this rate is "not the norm". How his horses are racing this well is anyone's guess. But to continue to let it happen makes no sense. The handle is affected. Other horsemen race for 2nd money. People don't like betting on 2/5 shots. Cumberland and the possible new track will be kept alive with Handle. We have NO SHOT of a new track if Cumberland fails. The handle is not going to increase with 2/5 shots. Everyone will be a loser. Even Mr. Butterfield.
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........ Nice to see bo in the winners circle though !...........
Might be a good time for the Commission to chat with him about the "ringer" he raced last year !
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The story please on the ringer? What happened?
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The story please on the ringer? What happened?
Last Summer / Fall he shipped a horse to Scarborough to race.........he was not present...the horse won...and then when pulling blood and urine they realized the horse was not the one entered to race
Purse not paid , Bo fined and suspended..he appealed...no hearing yet by OUR great Commission
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Should just race Bangor and fairs.
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People don't like betting on 2/5 shots.
If the 2/5 isn't going to lose then play exactas and triples. Your handle goes up when the money is reinvested. A lot of long shots and your players are out of money early and stop betting.
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I'll let the results since Cumberland opened speak for themselves. I will assume the handle is less than expected. If this wasn't the case, they would they have changed post times so early in the meet. When a top trainer at a small track wins at ridiculous %', bettors stay away. They'lol bet a different track. Tough to bet tri's when the whole pool is less than $500
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Everybody on the plop blames the judges, state stewards and the commission for all the drugging,horse abuse,stiffing etc.Did it ever occur to you people that its the participants I.E. horseman for all the misdeeds.Let that sink in .Ralph is not the problem you are.
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well stated
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the thing about all this that makes me so sad is i have been in maine racing my whole life. the few honest people are just going away. i never thought racing would die before me.
a few comments back wanted the story on bo. last fall he brought up a couple horses to race. he was present that day. somehow some way the horses ran in the wrong races. so he won the wrong race with the wrong horse. as far as i know he appealed and then postponed his zoom hearing. yet he came over from the paddock in the starting gate to get a picture taken with his son the last race yesterday. seems to me he should have had his hearing before any license from maine was issued.
so on a whole i believe that until the commission/state starts enforcing rules they are where the blame should start.
last saturday, a horse so lame he could barely walk ends up winning parked the whole mile by a rival he dueled with. hay oats and water im sure. the sad story goes on. the handle goes down.
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These " leading trainers" are winning at rates that are far far from the norm.
If Cumberland fails, so do any future plans for a new track. Nuff said.
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Any positives so far this month?
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cumberlands failed. no new track. cumberlands done end of july. fair will be only racing at cumberland.
as for trainer win percentages butterfield off the charts. the others are shuffling horses between different names and back so numbers lie on their stats. there have been many horses coming off a real flat race that not only jog to a win but instead of being a 5-1 range odds like their form shows the last jump and their 3-5.
positives right, rumor has their is but somehow nothings been announced.
funny another of my posts disapeared. i wonder did cumberlands management team buy this forum? seems like any truth thats not positive gets deleted. just like a month ago the maine/planridge topic disapeard.
im only saying what i see. i personally want maine to thrive so i can race right at home. the truth hurts i guess.
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2 high gas positives. you won't be surprised who they are.
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I heard a total of three, two high gas and one "OTHER" Pretty certain the OTHER is being swept under the rug as we speak.
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2 for one person. They are gonna prosecute 2 for price of one
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calm down everyone. this is maine. if anything gets done it will be at the guilty parties choice. when maine no longer has harness racing then the commission will issue suspensions from racing in only maine. saw mr jennings at home depot buying a broom bigger than i ever saw. then over at carpet depot. maybe it will be taken care of sooner.
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The MHHA should bear some responsibility and provide leadership to its members
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mhha is part of problem. everyone is but the honest{what few} people if they say something no one with athority cares. been that way for years. the gas is the problem now. years ago yes but not as much. back in time you could actually handicap races in maine. i can think back about 22 years ago to what i though was the begining to the end. a questionable race. couple drivers even admitted it, 30 days for lack of effort. that to me showed that something major as a fixed race and you get told to sit in a corner like a 2nd grader. now its gas and go. looking at just cumberland i dont think more than 1 race a day is won on hay oats and water. horrible product and no ones betting it, someone remember to shut the lights out on your way home.
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your reply says a lot about MHHA leadership
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I suppose these positives are the Commissions fault or the judges or ralph's fault right, WRONG. Maybe cumby will toss the offenders and set a precedent.But then the assoc would probably defend them.
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while the commission is not the ones gasing up horses, they as the rule makers/enforcers are at fault for letting all the shit go on. judges hands are tied by commission actions. ralaph is a judge now so whos even blameing him? its pretty simple. nothings being done to rule breakers. sure we get fines for feet out of sturrup but positive tests should be dealt with. appeal is a right but appeals should be held asap not whenever the horsemen feel like it.
if the commission suspended the guilty people and stopped the shit of horses racing with a different trainer listed every week things would change. how about fines starting at $5000.00 . we know who the biggest rule breakers are. make the fines double for each offense. if someones been caught are you going to keep cheating for 4000 purses when knowing your next fine is 10 or 20 grand?
rule changes maybe. start suspending owners. set horses testing positive down for 90 days.
bangors handle has been good and we need cumberlands to grow or they will be done. utr's of 600 and phony form reversals dont help the industry.
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They still race in maine? I thought skunkjunk downs got ripped down.