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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: TimTimTimbo on February 03, 2022, 02:25:16 PM
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https://harnesslink.com/usa/meadowlands-statement-on-owner-trainer-named-in-fishman-trial/
Meadowlands President Jeff Gural made the following statement on the issue. “We disagree with the USTA decision, and we applaud Ms. Hall for coming forward.
“To penalize those who testify for the prosecution will only serve to further the already existing notion that “saying something will only lead to problems for yourself”. It will discourage the type of participation necessary to convict the indicted persons, as Ms. Hall’s testimony has helped on this case.
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Gural has the list of trainers who bought products, let’s hop he publishes it
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The biggest hypocrite in harness racing, Jeff Gural, has shown you his true colors. He SAYS he wants to get rid of the horse dopers, BUT a scumbag ADMITS IN FEDERAL COURT to doping horses, and now it's ok? As for this so-called list of trainers, do any of you fools think the hypocrite is going to publish it when TWO of his employees are most likely on that list? Time to defund the Pig M.
Sincerely, Silent One
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Love him or hate him Jeff Gural is very accessible. I’ve had many conversations with him at Tioga Downs over the years. I just wrote him to see if he would publish the last of rouge trainers, stay tuned.
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The problem with Mr. Gural's logic is that Ms. Hall did not testify "voluntarily". She was caught on a wire tap and threatened with prosecution. If she did not testify they would have prosecuted her. She only testified to save her own skin. She is no martyr. Whereas Mr. Gural has done alot for the game this position is contrary to what he is trying to accomplish. He really should reconsider and realize the can of worms he is opening by allowing a non licensed US Trotting Trainer to train at his track. This will only encourage other tracks to do the same and defeat the entire purpose of a centralized agency to monitor the industry.
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The problem with Mr. Gural's logic is that Ms. Hall did not testify "voluntarily". She was caught on a wire tap and threatened with prosecution. If she did not testify they would have prosecuted her. She only testified to save her own skin. She is no martyr. Whereas Mr. Gural has done alot for the game this position is contrary to what he is trying to accomplish. He really should reconsider and realize the can of worms he is opening by allowing a non licensed US Trotting Trainer to train at his track. This will only encourage other tracks to do the same and defeat the entire purpose of a centralized agency to monitor the industry.
Great point
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The problem with Mr. Gural's logic is that Ms. Hall did not testify "voluntarily". She was caught on a wire tap and threatened with prosecution. If she did not testify they would have prosecuted her. She only testified to save her own skin. She is no martyr. Whereas Mr. Gural has done alot for the game this position is contrary to what he is trying to accomplish. He really should reconsider and realize the can of worms he is opening by allowing a non licensed US Trotting Trainer to train at his track. This will only encourage other tracks to do the same and defeat the entire purpose of a centralized agency to monitor the industry.
I guess you have to take the lesser of two evils. Giving this woman a walk to rat out the co-defendants is common. But to understand Gural's position is not so common. He is justifying giving her the same privilege's as people who have not been pinched and flipped.
I would think the NJ Racing Commission will revoke her license.
Nothing is ever black and white in this game.
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She should not be rewarded with being allowed to race immediately after her testimony. It's contrary to what he is trying to do which is get rid of the cheaters.
Allowing her to race after that testimony is mind boggling. Her reward was staying out of jail and not being prosecuted. She did not come forward voluntarily but under the threat of prosecution. Big difference
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Gurals decision here seems highly political.
Anyone who admits they used doping agents-even bragging about them-deserves to have licence revoked.
if Gural has the list-and the same PED drugs that this woman used-then ANYONE who purchased them on Fishmans list--should suffer the same consequences.
Perhaps Gural knows something-( the "list" contains trainers racing at the big M?) and is keeping it quiet-so he can keep going on his selective banning road.
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What about Hall's partner Juan Cano, not even a mention?
Letting the cheating Rat race is unconscionable
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Cano was the hottest trainer on the planet last summer
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if you look like she does.. let her do whatever she wants
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Is Gural risking his state subsidy?
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Gurals decision here seems highly political.
Anyone who admits they used doping agents-even bragging about them-deserves to have licence revoked.
if Gural has the list-and the same PED drugs that this woman used-then ANYONE who purchased them on Fishmans list--should suffer the same consequences.
Perhaps Gural knows something-( the "list" contains trainers racing at the big M?) and is keeping it quiet-so he can keep going on his selective banning road.
This is a fair point. Interesting to see who else is going to testify in the Allard and Surick trials and whether or not they are given the same pass (caught on wiretaps) and and based on their Association if they are disciplined. NJ as the licensing body should hold a hearing and rescind her license if that is called for. To not even have a hearing about it or call her in and ask for an explanation? Really? If her license is suspended and she has been given time to reflect on her actions she can reapply. To just go on business as usual and make her a Martyr makes no sense. Love how the Pawlick Report headline on her story says she is an Owner. That might be true but the issue is not her being an Owner and being allowed to race but her being the TRAINER. She personally administered the products acting as the TRAINER.
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This is a fair point. Interesting to see who else is going to testify in the Allard and Surick trials and whether or not they are given the same pass (caught on wiretaps) and and based on their Association if they are disciplined. NJ as the licensing body should hold a hearing and rescind her license if that is called for. To not even have a hearing about it or call her in and ask for an explanation? Really? If her license is suspended and she has been given time to reflect on her actions she can reapply. To just go on business as usual and make her a Martyr makes no sense. Love how the Pawlick Report headline on her story says she is an Owner. That might be true but the issue is not her being an Owner and being allowed to race but her being the TRAINER. She personally administered the products acting as the TRAINER.
What ???? You are expecting State commissions to do something ????
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What ???? You are expecting State commissions to do something ????
Yes the State Commissions-will prevent anyone convicted of a felony-to lose racing privileges.
Gural is now on a slippery slope with this decision to allow HALL to race.
He has set a precedent--ie-he is allowing a trainer to race who has admitted and been prosecuted-for using PED's.An admitted felon "Juicer"is now racing at the Big M.
What is the difference between her-and say Oakes,Allard, Surick?? They have ALL been accused and are facing trial and will plead guilty-for using PED's. So if say Surick turns around and squeels-makes a deal with the FEDs-he can race at Gural tracks?
Gural has barred trainers for even a "suspicion" of using PED's because they were either connected to someone who Gural didnt like or their training stats were "too good to be true"
Here he is-allowing a trainer-who has bragged about and admitted to using PED's get a pass-"because she was brave enough to come forward". Not true---she was all over the Fed tapes consulting with Fishman about using his PED's-even giving him a run down how it was working. Who is to say she hasnt passed this "potion" to her acquantances--like Cano for example. The very same reason he barred other trainers for-is now OK with Hall??.
If taken to Court now--its highly likely the Judge will now see through Gurals fake classification system-and overturn convictions by those Gural has previously banned. JMO.
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she didn't sing cause of remorse, she did it to stay out of court. WTF They have here on tape multiple times. Mr Integrity wants to let her race, she can't race without a NJRC license. If the state lets her keep her license after admitting to cheating, without any penalty, it will show just how fucked up this business has become. I'd say it's up to the state to grow some balls. Put Gural and Hall in their place. BOOT THE CHEATERS, thats what Mr Integrity has been pushing, now he wants to pick and choose who passes his approval. He owns a track, he can say who races there but he can't license them, simple, NO LICENSE, NO RACE!!
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Yes the State Commissions-will prevent anyone convicted of a felony-to lose racing privileges.
Gural is now on a slippery slope with this decision to allow HALL to race.
He has set a precedent--ie-he is allowing a trainer to race who has admitted and been prosecuted-for using PED's.An admitted felon "Juicer"is now racing at the Big M.
What is the difference between her-and say Oakes,Allard, Surick?? They have ALL been accused and are facing trial and will plead guilty-for using PED's. So if say Surick turns around and squeels-makes a deal with the FEDs-he can race at Gural tracks?
Gural has barred trainers for even a "suspicion" of using PED's because they were either connected to someone who Gural didnt like or their training stats were "too good to be true"
Here he is-allowing a trainer-who has bragged about and admitted to using PED's get a pass-"because she was brave enough to come forward". Not true---she was all over the Fed tapes consulting with Fishman about using his PED's-even giving him a run down how it was working. Who is to say she hasnt passed this "potion" to her acquantances--like Cano for example. The very same reason he barred other trainers for-is now OK with Hall??.
If taken to Court now--its highly likely the Judge will now see through Gurals fake classification system-and overturn convictions by those Gural has previously banned. JMO.
As we all know this is not the first time JG has cozied up to a convicted criminal. Scroll down to the bottom of this link for more info.
https://youbetblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/the-lions-in-winter/
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Jeffie is way way off on this one.
He has Adrienne Hall confused with a hero whistleblower.
Thought you were smarter than that, Jeff....
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Jeffie is way way off on this one.
He has Adrienne Hall confused with a hero whistleblower.
Thought you were smarter than that, Jeff....
The Hebrews agenda has no boundaries
Now he’s all good with juicers
As long as she RATTED OUT some one he disliked
How low can the Hebrew go.
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The Hebrews agenda has no boundaries
Now he’s all good with juicers
As long as she RATTED OUT some one he disliked
How low can the Hebrew go.
The guy is a power hungry cunt BUT you referring to him as the Hebrew is fucking stale already. You aren't cute. You're just an ignorant POS.
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Is COUNSELOR still around? Would like to hear his legal thoughts
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Q= prosecutor
A = Hall
Q. What’s your understanding of what you’re required to do under your agreement with the government?
A. Be honest, tell the truth.
Q. What else?
A. Be available, provide any information that they need that I might have.
Q. If you do those things, what’s your understanding of what the government will do?
A. I will not be prosecuted.
Q. Not prosecuted for what?
A. Giving my horses performance-enhancing drugs.
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I guess Mr integrity doesn't care, he wants to go to Oakes sentencing, Oakes can go to prison for using performing enhancement drugs, but Hall is different, no prison and she still gets to race. If the state doesn't take her license it's a fucking joke. Harness racing at it´s finest. Mr Integrity needs to reread all his bull shit about cleaning up the sport. He wants to pat this lady on the back for telling the truth, after SHE GOT CAUGHT! She did not come forward, SHE GOT CAUGHT.
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There is no way she should have a license to have anything to do with any racehorses. Grual must have trainers that are going to be involved in this investigation. You don't need a license to be in this business just look at all the beard trainers or race at tracks that trainers are banned from and they still race there under a different trainer.
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The bastion of integrity, Jeff Gural, has stated that he was going to question the so-called trainers on the list , and ask them what they purchased and why. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
I can just imagine how that is going to go.
Gural: "Jimmy Takter, what did you buy and why?"
Takter: "horse booties, Christina thought it would be a good idea to keep da horses veet warm in da
vinter time, and Fishman had a sale on da booties"
Gural: "Of course, I knew it had to be something completely innocent"
Gural: "Mickey Burke Stable, what did you buy and why?"
MBS: "Well to be perfectly honest, we had to buy the best PED's that Fishman had, so that rat you
Ron train, Gural Hanover, could actually make money"
Gural: "Of course, I knew it had to be something completely innocent"
Sincerely, Silent One
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if you look like she does.. let her do whatever she wants
Sad truth!!! 11.wp tmbz1
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This guy is a Plop member right. The name rings a bell?
FRIEDLAND, ADAM BROOKLYN, NY YOB 1963
Haw on 1/15/2022 HORSE DISQUALIFIED - PLACED 8, PURSE
REDISTRIBUTION
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
Owner Adam Friedland hereby forfeits his share of the $6,000 purse from Velocity Gator,
winner of race 8 on January 15, 2022 due to the presence of Dextrorphan, a metabolite of
Dextromethorphan, a class 4 drug, in the urine specimen. Velocity Gator finished 1st, DQ`d
and placed last.
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This guy is a Plop member right. The name rings a bell?
FRIEDLAND, ADAM BROOKLYN, NY YOB 1963
Haw on 1/15/2022 HORSE DISQUALIFIED - PLACED 8, PURSE
REDISTRIBUTION
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
Owner Adam Friedland hereby forfeits his share of the $6,000 purse from Velocity Gator,
winner of race 8 on January 15, 2022 due to the presence of Dextrorphan, a metabolite of
Dextromethorphan, a class 4 drug, in the urine specimen. Velocity Gator finished 1st, DQ`d
and placed last.
SEARLE, STEVEN J GRANT PARK, IL YOB 1959
Haw on 1/15/2022 FINED: $500
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
Trainer Steven Searle is hereby fined $500 for the presence of Dextrorphan, a metabolite of
Dextromethorphan, a class 4 drug in urine sample #124870, reported by the University of
Illinois Forensic Toxicology Laboratory in the horse Velocity Gator, winner of race 8 on
January 15, 2022. Velocity Gator finished 1st, DQ`d and placed last. The winning purse of
$6,000 will be redistributed.
Due to mitigating circumstances and trainer Searle`s
exemplary record, no further action will be taken.
THAT IS BULLSHIT
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He's only the owner not the trainer
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THE INTERESTING POINT OF TESTIFYING IN THE FISHMAN CASE AND ADMITTING ADMINISTERING PEDS TO HER OWN HORSES----AND NOW BEING PERMITTED TO RACE AS THOUGH IT NEVER OCCURRED? THIS IS NOT WHAT MOST WOULD EXPECT---I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT THAT SHE DID COOPERATE AND DID HELP OBTAIN A CONVICTION BUT TRUTHFULLY SHE DID DO THE CRIME. THE FAIR PUNISHMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN A TEN YEAR BAN FROM RACING OR SOMETHING SIMILAR -----BUT, NO PENALTY AT ALL DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. RECALL THAT THE TESTIMONY WAS OBTAINED AND SHE AGREED TO TESTIFY TO AVOID PROSECUTION.
THEREFORE, DOES THIS MEAN IF ANY OF THESE FOLKS TESTIFY THAT THEY WILL BE PERMITTED TO RACE WITHOUT PENALTY? I WOULD THINK THAT THIS IN A VERY INTERESTING CONCEPT.
SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE WERE MANY LUCKY PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED. FURTHER, THE NAMES ON THE LIST WERE SOME VERY PROMINANT OWNERS!!!! I BELEIVE THAT THEY SHOULD OF JUST PUBLISHED WHO WAS NOT ON THE LIST!!!
THE SPORT HAS BEEN FOREVER TARNISHED AND TRUTHFULLY MAY NEVER RECOVER FROM THIS DEBACLE.
THE STATES ARE IN A PERCARIOUS POSITION BECAUSE IT IS DIFFICULT TO DENY ONES RIGHT TO EARN A LIVING. THE USTA HAS NO AUTHORITY EVEN THOUGH THEY BELIEVE THEY DO---IT IS THE OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE THAT IS IMPORTANT AND JUST ABOUT ANYONE CAN APPLY AND GET THE OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE!!!!
IF THE TRACKS DO NOT DENY THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED AND FOUND GUILTY --THEN LIFE GOES ON AS NORMAL!
I STILL FIND IT INTERESTING THAT YOU CANNOT RACE IF YOU OWE A BILL AND YOU ARE DENIED THE RIGHT TO EARN A LIVING BUT YOU CAN ADMIT TO ADMINISTERING PEDS AND RACE AT THE TOP TRACK IN THE COUNTRY!!! IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE TRACK BUT I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THE CRIME DID OCCUR AND THAT SOME PUNISHMENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADMINISTERED.
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There was a time the state would not license you if you did not have a USTA license. Furthermore, all states have a clause for "moral turpitude", as well as "in the best interest of racing". This gives them the power to refuse anyone a license if they so desire. Then the process of hearings and appeals play out.
All you need is someone in the racing commission to step up and pledge the funds to challenge someone.
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AGREED. TIMES HAVE SURELY CHANGED. I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THE OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING FIELD ( BUT NOT HORSE RACING LICENSES) AND IT NOW SEEMS THAT UNLESS YOU HAD A SERIOUS CRIME WITH VICTIMS ---MOST OCCUPATIONAL LICENSES CAN BE GRANTED ---SOME MAY REQUIRE A ONE OR TWO YEAR PROBATIONAL PERIOD---BUT MOST OF THESE LICENSES ARE GRANTED. THE STATE MAY CALL TO VERIFY AND ASK FOR AN EXPLAINATION.
EVEN PROFESSIONAL LICENSES IN THE MEDICAL FIELD----DOCTORS, ETC. , EVEN WITH A PRIOR CONVICTION CAN NORMALLY GET LICENSED IF THEIR CRIME WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE MEDICAL FIELD OR THE VICTIMS WERE NOT PATIENTS.
I DO RECALL THAT YEARS AGO A USTA LICENSE WAS REQUIRED BUT NOW MOST STATES DO NOT GET INVOLVED OR QUESTION THE USTA ON ANY MATTERS.
THIS IS INTERESTING AS SEVERAL NAMES ARE STILL MISSING FROM THE SUPERCEDING INDICTMENT AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD!!!! VERY INTERESTING.
EITHER WAY, THE SPORT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP SOME BUT THERE IS A LONG WAYS TO GO AS I EXPECT THE CASINOS TO USE THESE MASSIVE LISTS TO MOVE TO DECOUPLE RACING!!!! THEY ARE AND WILL USE THIS SCANDAL TO THEIR ADVANTAGE!!!!
THIS IS GOING TO GET VERY INTERESTING!
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counselor: Please share your thoughts more often. You bring excellent info to us.