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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: stanetelman on April 02, 2023, 01:49:52 PM
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"We couldn't be happier with the wagering support from our loyal fans," said Meadowlands Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir, "but when your handle drops by that amount you have to wonder what happened. We hope it''s not the start of a downward trend."
Meadowlands handle March 3: $4,519,050. Meadowlands handle March 31: $3,116,846
Meadowlands handle March 4: $4,062,855 Meadowlands handle April 1: $3,201,750
Total weekend handle: $8,581,905 Total weekend handle: $6,318,596
Net handle drop: (-$2,263,309)
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Keep carding amateur races and it will continue to plunge. Way better product at Yonkers
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Actual link?
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Too many ego trips there. If you dont kiss the ring of Scottie too hottie, its all over for you. They are always right, just ask them
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Do the numbers reflect the Canadian cancellations ? Those hardcore player pump alot of juice !
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It's like they own a grocery store. Have a bad week and complain they didn't do as well as the week before. Like telling them spend or else. Or else what? Jeff bitches to Jason and he writes some memo. What is the point of the memo? Just a little note to tell you what you already know, a bad week. Like it's your fault. Jeff, Jason stop the shit show, instead of bitching, try working with horseman. Not just the ones who train for you.
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"We couldn't be happier with the wagering support from our loyal fans," said Meadowlands Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir, "but when your handle drops by that amount you have to wonder what happened. We hope it''s not the start of a downward trend."
Meadowlands handle March 3: $4,519,050. Meadowlands handle March 31: $3,116,846
Meadowlands handle March 4: $4,062,855 Meadowlands handle April 1: $3,201,750
Total weekend handle: $8,581,905 Total weekend handle: $6,318,596
Net handle drop: (-$2,263,309)
Actual link?
No link, just more made-up comments. By Plops biggest exaggerator/liar!!!!!!!!!!!
The numbers are correct, but the comments are the usual made-up LIE.... Pigeons keep replying week after week to Stanetelman's non-existent comments ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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The Big M is not the only game in town...other tracks open and there is plenty of competition for the betting dollar....Give the bettors/fans a quality product and give people a reason to come to the track in person!
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Wow they lost over 2 million within 30 days. I bet Jason and Jeffie are screaming bloody murder.
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No link, just more made-up comments. By Plops biggest exaggerator/liar!!!!!!!!!!!
The numbers are correct, I have to admit he is reporting facts.
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"We have received extraordinary support this year from our horsemen and our horseplayers,but we're starting to see some disturbing trends.” said Meadowlands’ Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir. The first weekend of the month saw the only two $4 million handles of the year in North America, as on Friday (March 3) an industry-best $4,519,050 was put in play, while the next night (Saturday, March 4) saw wagering total $4,062,855. Since that time however the handle has been trending downward.
"Unfortunately we have seen a steady drop in handle since that weekend," Settlemoir said. Field size has also become an issue. "Only 12 of our races this weekend had more than 9 starters and we had no 10 horse fields on Saturday which is a cause for concern."
Meadowlands handle March 31: $3,116,846. Meadowlands handle April 7: $3,071,224
Meadowlands handle April 1: $3,201,750. Meadowlands handle April 8: $3,099,751
Total weekend handle: $6,318,596. Total weekend handle: $6,170,975
Net handle drop: (-$147,624) and since March 3-4 (-$2,410,933)
From Meadowlands Media Relations
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14 races and NOT 1 (10) horse field. They were bragging and saying it's what the gamblers want. Just BS while the other tracks were closed.
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14 races and NOT 1 (10) horse field. They were bragging and saying it's what the gamblers want. Just BS while the other tracks were closed.
Surprised?
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14 races and NOT 1 (10) horse field. They were bragging and saying it's what the gamblers want. Just BS while the other tracks were closed.
They got too carried away with their horizontal pik 4's, 5's, 6's and 7's. Those are tiring bets that are impossible to hit.
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SAT NIGHTG CARDS ARFE HORRIBLE
MAYBE GET A GUY TO RIGHT CONDITION SHEETS
OR BRING MORE ,,GSY RACES ngc3 ngc3
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Why can't the top Harness Jew Gural as well as Horseplop Common Yids pause their sobbing just for Easter Sunday?
Can't us Christians have just one fucking day -- Easter -- without the incessant cacophony of wailing Hebrews?
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no excuse for not being able to put together strong cards for saturday and yes even friday night
aged horses are coming back out and in a few weeks a lot of 3 year olds will start to show up
write the correct classes and you will get horses
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"We have received extraordinary support this year from our horsemen and our horseplayers,but we're starting to see some disturbing trends.” said Meadowlands’ Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir. The first weekend of the month saw the only two $4 million handles of the year in North America, as on Friday (March 3) an industry-best $4,519,050 was put in play, while the next night (Saturday, March 4) saw wagering total $4,062,855. Since that time however the handle has been trending downward.
"Unfortunately we have seen a steady drop in handle since that weekend," Settlemoir said. Field size has also become an issue. "Only 12 of our races this weekend had more than 9 starters and we had no 10 horse fields on Saturday which is a cause for concern."
Meadowlands handle March 31: $3,116,846. Meadowlands handle April 7: $3,071,224
Meadowlands handle April 1: $3,201,750. Meadowlands handle April 8: $3,099,751
Total weekend handle: $6,318,596. Total weekend handle: $6,170,975
Net handle drop: (-$147,624) and since March 3-4 (-$2,410,933)
From Meadowlands Media Relations
Do your axons and dendrites misfire all the time with these ridiculous posts? They are UP $26 MILLION for the first quarter in handle and you know it.
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Do your axons and dendrites misfire all the time with these ridiculous posts? They are UP $26 MILLION for the first quarter in handle and you know it.
That doesn't fit their agenda
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Do your axons and dendrites misfire all the time with these ridiculous posts? They are UP $26 MILLION for the first quarter in handle and you know it.
How much of that handle is from CAWs? They will never tell us, it is a very large %
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Surprised?
Not at all. That track has become a circus. On track dining sucks too. I took a group of 6 there about a month ago. The food was cold. You only had 5 choices in the buffet and Jeff’s people took the money off my credit card before we even arrived worried that we might not show up. Tip too.
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You can add yesterday as the number of attempts of the lengths that the Gural squad, will do to drum up business. They deployed new as of yesterday Horseplop member - camfan12, to distract and attempt to poach Horseplop members into their Inside Harness platform to drum up betting with supposed Big M (and huge handle Cumberland LOL) trainers and drivers unsubstantial racing notes, where as Inside Harness is a contracted BigM partner and LMAO integrity platform the track is using to show transparency 73cv.2.
How much do you want to bet if I walked the BigM grounds on a Friday with a sign to drum up biz for Yonkers, I'd be trespassed off the property FOREVER as soon as security and cops were deployed?
Gural, bully, dunce, living out his boyhood dream, from a billionaire perspective. "Oy vay", go away, and in return I'll bet y'all on Hambo day, it's tradition! ;D
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We have received extraordinary support this year from our horsemen and our horseplayers,but we're starting to see some disturbing trends.” said Meadowlands’ Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir. The first weekend of the month saw the only two $4 million handles of the year in North America, as on Friday (March 3) an industry-best $4,519,050 was put in play, while the next night (Saturday, March 4) saw wagering total $4,062,855. Since that time however the handle has been trending downward as it has not reached $3.2 million since April 1st.
Meadowlands handle April 7: $3,071,224. Meadowlands handle April 14: $3,107,718
Meadowlands handle April 8: $3,099,751. Meadowlands handle April 15: $3,167,329
Total weekend handle. $6,071,975. Total weekend handle. $6,275,047
Meadowlands media relations
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Thank you stantelman for your affirmation of how badly the meadowlands has become. Sad that it’s gurals team of experts they continue to lose credibility with fans across the globe. What used to be considered the Mecca of harness racing has now become the gutter of harness racing. It’s filled with Gural approves cheaters only from not only the horseman, but the management staff and race office. Complete filth!!!!
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We have received extraordinary support this year from our horsemen and our horseplayers,but we're starting to see some disturbing trends.” said Meadowlands’ Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir. The first weekend of the month saw the only two $4 million handles of the year in North America, as on Friday (March 3) an industry-best $4,519,050 was put in play, while the next night (Saturday, March 4) saw wagering total $4,062,855. Since that time however the handle has been trending downward as it has not reached $3.2 million since April 1st.
Meadowlands handle April 7: $3,071,224. Meadowlands handle April 14: $3,107,718
Meadowlands handle April 8: $3,099,751. Meadowlands handle April 15: $3,167,329
Total weekend handle. $6,071,975. Total weekend handle. $6,275,047
Meadowlands media relations
In the second sentence of your quote, "but", actually means butt, ya know ass, like thanks but not good enough fuckers, and get the Vaseline out because if these current number maintain, decline, we're gonna....add let's say another 6 AMATEUR races and start at 4:00, 20 race card, divide the current quarter million in purses and lower average purses overall.
Maybe they should call the place GulfstreamM, bring the Dark Lord Stronach crew in, sheesh Churchill Downs did it with Calder, called it Gulfstream Park West, and boom a 180 revival in the mutual pools before CD put the whole thing to sleep because the Florida court affirmed the rules of not needing a para-mutual to have a casino if already established (and bye bye Pompano Park too with legislation). Ask Gural what is the status of the BigM Casino, LOL, the NJ voters pull off that scab every 2 or so.., but they got the FanDuel partnership 73cv.2.
Gural, his team, and the BigM and their beggars cup could rot, they'll stay the course and re-surge likely, however, lol, let me know if their handle freefalls to zero, then cheers. ;D
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yes big m is a shadow of itself from the past
question is ??? what track is better from wagering perspective ??
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yes big m is a shadow of itself from the past
question is ??? what track is better from wagering perspective ??
Depends on whether you mind betting into pools heavily infiltrated with caw money. Meadowlands won't ever tell anyone but it's widely known caw money is huge there, compared to other harness tracks
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You can add yesterday as the number of attempts of the lengths that the Gural squad, will do to drum up business. They deployed new as of yesterday Horseplop member - camfan12, to distract and attempt to poach Horseplop members into their Inside Harness platform to drum up betting with supposed Big M (and huge handle Cumberland LOL) trainers and drivers unsubstantial racing notes, where as Inside Harness is a contracted BigM partner and LMAO integrity platform the track is using to show transparency 73cv.2.
We have received extraordinary support this year from our horsemen and our horseplayers,but we're starting to see some disturbing trends.” said Meadowlands’ Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir. The first weekend of the month saw the only two $4 million handles of the year in North America, as on Friday (March 3) an industry-best $4,519,050 was put in play, while the next night (Saturday, March 4) saw wagering total $4,062,855. Since that time however the handle has been trending downward as it has not reached $3.2 million since April 1st.
Meadowlands handle April 7: $3,071,224. Meadowlands handle April 14: $3,107,718
Meadowlands handle April 8: $3,099,751. Meadowlands handle April 15: $3,167,329
Total weekend handle. $6,071,975. Total weekend handle. $6,275,047
Meadowlands media relations
Depends on whether you mind betting into pools heavily infiltrated with caw money. Meadowlands won't ever tell anyone but it's widely known caw money is huge there, compared to other harness tracks
This is exactly what wrong with this great site............ Innuendo/made up rumors and outright Lies.
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yes big m is a shadow of itself from the past
question is ??? what track is better from wagering perspective ??
Love you tmbz1, though art seeking solutions. They, us, no one is gonna like the answer.
Let's first cross off that no one in life should be making more than a handful of investments in their life. It's stressful. You study, you wait, you load up and grab your balls and your fire away. Too late for most of us here.
You learn to handicap, maybe get insider info which we know eh, whatever. That is 50%, picking winners that is. The other 50% is knowing how to bet. Then be ready to do one of 2 things to answer your question which is:
Either no track and cherry pick, get all the entered stakes schedules for trainers and their horses and see their strategy use lifetime past performances, hit all the stakes where the purses outshine the betting pools (with the acceptation outside Harness of the Kentucky Derby lol) and doping would be contrary to logic - Or - a dozen of us or so take over a large track and not in the sense of operations, I mean onsite people with eyes and ears open, binoculars, those chatting it up with everyone, and other crucial offsite components to document every aspect of regulatory, behind the scenes, racing and the complexities better than anyone else. A blend of inside information and handicapper skills, a sub Horseplop member group could possibly pull it off.
It probably could get funded for a couple of mil, totally legit, and go after the $500mil or so a year wagered at the Big M or Mohawk for example and carve off 5-10% in winning profit over that year.
The reality is sadly we're all going to figure out on our own, individually, and be asking ourselves the same question next year and the year after until harness racing is cycling through its stages of "cancer" brought to you by organized crime, scumbag insiders, crooked politicians, greedy businessmen and casinos. 52xc.2
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This is exactly what wrong with this great site............ Innuendo/made up rumors and outright Lies.
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The BigM owes us, we not it. Not rumor or lies. You're a fan of there, me too but not as much since Gural, others too, but we're nobodies bitch, but you can speak for yourself. ;D
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This is exactly what wrong with this great site............ Innuendo/made up rumors and outright Lies.
Name me 1 harness track with more caw money, either % or whole numbers, in the pools than the Meadowlands.
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There are none. Meadowlands may as well be the stock market with the amount of cartel algorithm money that gets driven into the pools within 15 seconds of race close each and every race.
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There are none. Meadowlands may as well be the stock market with the amount of cartel algorithm money that gets driven into the pools within 15 seconds of race close each and every race.
Undoubtedly. Now that caw play has been outed as taboo, player unfriendly, and increased substantially across the board, people like SAW will try to hide it and pretend it's all.lies
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Undoubtedly. Now that caw play has been outed as taboo, player unfriendly, and increased substantially across the board, people like SAW will try to hide it and pretend it's all.lies
Yep just like the open window @ The Red Mile that people pay $1000 dollars a month for ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
I hear the Brooklyn bridge is for sale.
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Yep just like the open window @ The Red Mile that people pay $1000 dollars a month for ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
I hear the Brooklyn bridge is for sale.
You missed the part when settlemoir and gural were so happy a few years ago to tell everyone about all this new "liquid" cartel action that agreed to? You know, that was going to help everyone by increasing the pools while giving them huge rebates in exchange fir volume? You seem intimately familiar with the track, maybe start asking some quations about thw caw's before you start talking bullshit? You really chap my ass. You know settlemoir cut the deal and now that it's knows to be player unfriendly, it all lies lies lies.
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Does anyone hear dabble in the stock market? It is no different. The big corporations own the majority of many stocks and the little guy goes along with the rise and fall of that stock. Without the corporations buying and selling, the stock market would never survive with the small investor. Enjoy betting and watching the races instead of finding issues to knock harness tracks. If you want harness tracks to close then why be here championing that? If somebody disliked something so much why even bother with it? Move on and enjoy something that gives you pleasure, not something that appears to make you upset.
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Does anyone hear dabble in the stock market? It is no different. The big corporations own the majority of many stocks and the little guy goes along with the rise and fall of that stock. Without the corporations buying and selling, the stock market would never survive with the small investor. Enjoy betting and watching the races instead of finding issues to knock harness tracks. If you want harness tracks to close then why be here championing that? If somebody disliked something so much why even bother with it? Move on and enjoy something that gives you pleasure, not something that appears to make you upset.
Once upon a time it made sense what you said regarding (Harness Track) fan loyalty is due or die, not the case anymore virtually anywhere. Pompano Park closed because a casino came in and when they bought off the legislatures, they could then operate without racing. Slots make them money, more than Meadowlands and Mohawk combined kind of money.
Horsemen need a better lobby or all the tracks being held hostage by needing pari-mutual will topple soon. Canada, well Mohawk survives on its own, other tracks not tied to casinos are subsidized by the Canadian govt, they actually all are to insure.
What you said about corps owning the stocks wrong too, see the list on this link (below) - It's Asset Management Firms, and those number you'll read are in the thousands of billions ya know trillions of dollars what each is holding in assets.
https://www.advratings.com/top-asset-management-firms
Your heart is in the right place my brother, but telling people to shut up and enjoy is a contradiction, if fans have a beef they should be heard, maybe overcome and co-exist and enjoy.
You get a "D-" for facts but an "A" from the Race Tracks, and "C" from me for change is a coming, whether we like it or not. ;D
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Nice rhetoric, Senator. You never mention the single greatest entity to success, the product and it's popularity. All the peripheral components don't mean squat, If you can't sell enough product to be profitable.
When harness racing was the only choice for night time action, it was quite relevant. Now, well like they say, forgetaboutit. Most everyone else has.
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Yep just like the open window @ The Red Mile that people pay $1000 dollars a month for ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
I hear the Brooklyn bridge is for sale.
You can keep your head in the sand and look like a bigger moron than you really are. It’s $1,000 per week jackass.
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Nice rhetoric, Senator. You never mention the single greatest entity to success, the product and it's popularity. All the peripheral components don't mean squat, If you can't sell enough product to be profitable.
When harness racing was the only choice for night time action, it was quite relevant. Now, well like they say, forgetaboutit. Most everyone else has.
That would be porn, dude, and it's free, where have you been, maybe not doing / getting enough of this (below)...fap one out, and come back and chill, opinions / predictions, sheesh no need to go scorched earth when someone's differs from yours and others.
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Back up, Sparkey. I did say I never disagreed with anything you said. I only pointed out the elephant in the room. The product. No need to gaslight me with your masterbation obbsession.
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Back up, Sparkey. I did say I never disagreed with anything you said. I only pointed out the elephant in the room. The product. No need to gaslight me with your masterbation obbsession.
And I don't disagree with you either, your thoughtful observation and analysis of the outcome. The "product" I once LOVED put Walter Case Jr., on a 10-1 ml breaking piece of shit that lost the last 8 races that he actually finished by a combined 150 lengths and I witnessed magic. Leave, break from the eight hole, recover, trot like a monster to the top and win for fun at fav or second choice. Because we all knew, we believed in magic and wanted to be nowhere else.
I bring of Case because of his SYMBIOTIC relationship in a bike with his "lover", the horse and not in a sexual context, but the performance. That symbiosis example is an analogy of what was mine and what was yours, and others once upon a time, and whatever else was going on was superfluous I just wanted to be there.
Case not in the hall of fame, and tracks closing, and blah blah blah and all led in this direction by sellouts but the worst perpetrators where the PERCEPTION police seeking blame --- fall guys, the fans. To keep cover on their crimes, to cover up their inability to make something work (THAT IS BEAUTY TO US) and too busy conniving and cheating led to predators - casinos, developers, and the detriment to horses just worsening. They never loved racing, just a means to a financial end and they're killing it, and keep killing it.
Maybe we'll make a difference, keep adapting, I dunno, but we're as mad as hell, and in the interim we got to focus and make money and enjoy too! ;D
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Bottom line with the cartel action is that the small time regular bettor is getting screwed out of price action each and every race. Add in the breakage ( Kentucky the only state to break to the penny) over time and all the nonsense talk of 15 % special exotics and 17-20% WPS/Exacta is not reality. Cannot remotely compare to sports betting and this is why the sports best days are far in the rear view mirror.
!0-12 % takeout should be standard across the board and payouts to the penny with today's technology.
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Bottom line with the cartel action is that the small time regular bettor is getting screwed out of price action each and every race. Add in the breakage ( Kentucky the only state to break to the penny) over time and all the nonsense talk of 15 % special exotics and 17-20% WPS/Exacta is not reality. Cannot remotely compare to sports betting and this is why the sports best days are far in the rear view mirror.
!0-12 % takeout should be standard across the board and payouts to the penny with today's technology.
Excellent point, superstar caliber, seriously! tmbz1 62za.clp
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You can keep your head in the sand and look like a bigger moron than you really are. It’s $1,000 per week jackass.
Seperfecta = A "conspiracy theorist" who will believe anything without a second thought, even if it is not based in reality whatsoever.
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Calling me names does not make you less of a nut job
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We have received extraordinary support this year from our horsemen and our horseplayers,but we're starting to see some disturbing trends.” said Meadowlands’ Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir. The first weekend of the month saw the only two $4 million handles of the year in North America, as on Friday (March 3) an industry-best $4,519,050 was put in play, while the next night (Saturday, March 4) saw wagering total $4,062,855. Since that time however the handle has been trending downward as it has not reached $3.2 million since April 1st.
Meadowlands handle April 7: $3,071,224. Meadowlands handle April 14: $3,107,718
Meadowlands handle April 8: $3,099,751. Meadowlands handle April 15: $3,167,329
Total weekend handle. $6,071,975. Total weekend handle. $6,275,047
Meadowlands media relations
Looks like the downward trend is continuing with only 9 full fields this coming weekend.
Meadowlands handle April 21: $3,047,967
Meadowlands handle April 22: $1,743,346
Total weekend handle: $4,791,313
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Looks like the downward trend is continuing with only 9 full fields this coming weekend.
Meadowlands handle April 21: $3,047,967
Meadowlands handle April 22: $1,743,346
Total weekend handle: $4,791,313
The only one that disgusts me more than the BigM, is YOU stanetelman. Libel, forgery, copy, and paste - got it! Here's a trending tip, get a bottle of Night Train follow the pigeon shit trail to the dumpsters in the back of the BigM and have a blast with your dates downtrending your mouth on the Bum Cock Buffet. ;D
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Field size continuing to be a big problem at the Meadowlands. Of the 28 races carded this weekend only 3 have a full field of 10 and 16 have less than 9 starters.
Meadowlands handle April 21: $3,047,967. Meadowlands handle April 28: $3,013,583
Meadowlands handle April 22: $1,743,346. Meadowlands handle April 29: $3,287,443
Total weekend handle: $4,791,313. Total weekend handle: $6,301,026
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Field size continuing to be a big problem at the Meadowlands. Of the 28 races carded this weekend only 3 have a full field of 10 and 16 have less than 9 starters.
Meadowlands handle April 21: $3,047,967. Meadowlands handle April 28: $3,013,583
Meadowlands handle April 22: $1,743,346. Meadowlands handle April 29: $3,287,443
Total weekend handle: $4,791,313. Total weekend handle: $6,301,026
Supercalifragilis ticexpialidocious has 14 syllables! ;D
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Looks like the downward trend is continuing with only 9 full fields this coming weekend.
Meadowlands handle April 21: $3,047,967
Meadowlands handle April 22: $1,743,346
Total weekend handle: $4,791,313
This is surprising as the Saturday cards are better than the Friday cards.
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This is surprising as the Saturday cards are better than the Friday cards.
It was a weather cancellation half way through the card (4/22/23), maybe take a nap now. tmbz1
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It was a weather cancellation half way through the card (4/22/23), maybe take a nap now. tmbz1
Touche!
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Touche!
I know what it means, and I've also been taking it in it relentlessly for the last month! tmbz1