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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: goblue on April 15, 2023, 01:45:47 AM
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To no one’s surprise, Tyler George is still winning at the same clip he was prior to stabling at the track. He is obviously not the cheater Hoosier Park or this forum at times unreasonably makes him out to be.
In my opinion, this whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Tyler is a great horseman who both enters his horses in competitive conditions and knows how to maximize a horse’s potential. I believe he’s one of the few trainers who can know more about your horse by watching them train once than you will know in a lifetime.
To force Tyler to stable at the track despite zero rules infringements or positive tests, while allowing clear inter-state cheaters like Erv to do what they please, is disgusting on behalf of Hoosier.
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The man has great help, pays top wages and classifies his horses!! As I said in another post, he has a pipeline of nice claiming horses coming from the Wallach Brothers and a couple other Canadian owners!! They usually do good and wind up getting claimed!! Crusher Q, Tabooma, National Sport and Major Crocker all won and got claimed!!
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The man has great help, pays top wages and classifies his horses!! As I said in another post, he has a pipeline of nice claiming horses coming from the Wallach Brothers and a couple other Canadian owners!! They usually do good and wind up getting claimed!! Crusher Q, Tabooma, National Sport and Major Crocker all won and got claimed!!
The numbers don't lie. if you look at the Ohio tracks, the standings cause the question. The remark of top wages, great help and skilled condition selections might affect ranking. however, is he 2 and 3 times better than the other trainers? Burke, Virgil and others also have sharp training on above average horses, spend on vet work without hesitation and enter correctly - yet only show overall and win percentages as far below the man. No one discounts whether the man is good. what causes understood curiosity is ... can he be that much better?
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Still winning? What have you been watching? He had more chalks get beat last week and caused carryovers and boxcar payoffs all week. He finally won a couple races this Friday but not batting anywhere near .400 for the last week. Again, when you got top level stock and your racing 30k claimers in for 20k (Major Croker A) and you have a nice horse like General Dolan in a race where the sure winner bleeds and the 1 horse makes a nasty break? Luck is a great thing but what about Ima real lady’s man? Claimed for 20k and dropped to 15k and off the board? Town Gossip lost and My Buddy Inkster SCRATCHED LAME and Ike’s Panther not entered? Not to mention horses like ER Sam claimed for 50k and off the board in a NW of $1000 last 4? Come on clearly things are not going good in that barn and def not STILL WINNING.
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Lady's man had the 9 hole. paced a LQ 26 flat.
General dolan has never win a open pace
Town gossip was 1st up into speed paced 49:3 off of another trainer- you guys call a juicer
Maybe Tyler is just a great manager idk 🤷♂️
last but not least lucky is better than good
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The numbers don't lie. if you look at the Ohio tracks, the standings cause the question. The remark of top wages, great help and skilled condition selections might affect ranking. however, is he 2 and 3 times better than the other trainers? Burke, Virgil and others also have sharp training on above average horses, spend on vet work without hesitation and enter correctly - yet only show overall and win percentages as far below the man. No one discounts whether the man is good. what causes understood curiosity is ... can he be that much better?
Think about it this way. Burke- Virgil. They all have a shit ton of horses racing. Some really good ones and some really not good ones. Tyler has 30... he picks the horses he wants to race and doesn't send the "NOT good ones" to the track on average. When you have a barn full of both your average suffers because of it. If you pick and choose and can only race the ones you WANT to instead of the ones that NEED to your numbers are going to suffer less. Simple process really.
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This is exactly right. Tyler rejects tons of horses. If your horse doesn't fit a Hoosier condition where he thinks they will be immediately competitive, he'll tell you to find another trainer, which I think is awesome. He's not money hungry, he's hungry to win races.
Using UDRS to call someone a cheater is inherently flawed, and picky trainers like TG are particularly suspectible to being targeted by it. Burke will accept a horse with 3 legs if the owners are willing to pay the training bill. He could have a 0.400+ UDRS overnight by unloading some of the crap he's racing out east.
Think about it this way. Burke- Virgil. They all have a shit ton of horses racing. Some really good ones and some really not good ones. Tyler has 30... he picks the horses he wants to race and doesn't send the "NOT good ones" to the track on average. When you have a barn full of both your average suffers because of it. If you pick and choose and can only race the ones you WANT to instead of the ones that NEED to your numbers are going to suffer less. Simple process really.
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To no one’s surprise, Tyler George is still winning at the same clip he was prior to stabling at the track. He is obviously not the cheater Hoosier Park or this forum at times unreasonably makes him out to be.
In my opinion, this whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Tyler is a great horseman who both enters his horses in competitive conditions and knows how to maximize a horse’s potential. I believe he’s one of the few trainers who can know more about your horse by watching them train once than you will know in a lifetime.
To force Tyler to stable at the track despite zero rules infringements or positive tests, while allowing clear inter-state cheaters like Erv to do what they please, is disgusting on behalf of Hoosier.
Dude what track have you been watching? I like Tyler and he’s a great guy but he batted .192 last week and most of those horses were 6/5 or lower. Ain’t no way his numbers are anywhere near what they were before he stabled at the track. That in itself speaks volumes but I’m on your side. If they don’t make Erv stable at the track then he should sue Hoosier. Right is right and wrong is wrong.
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He is batting a .515 as of today. The numbers are where they always are. Maybe higher. He has days where he doesn't win, occasionally he won't even get checks. It happens, but then the horses drop back down a class or two and crush. Still pretty simple to figure out.
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He is batting a .515 as of today. The numbers are where they always are. Maybe higher. He has days where he doesn't win, occasionally he won't even get checks. It happens, but then the horses drop back down a class or two and crush. Still pretty simple to figure out.
Only if you average the entire meet to date but if you average the days when he didn’t stable at the track it was around .600 compared to .192 since he’s stabled at the track. It’s wrong fir making him stable at the track but he does not average nearly what he normally does when he isn’t stabled at the track. Numbers don’t lie. But he got screwed over and if they do not make Erv Miller who just had a hot test at M1 stable at the track, then Tyler George should sue this shit out of them. It’s not right to do that the horseman’s association should get together and boycott the box until they release Tyler from detention or make others like Erv Miller come to the track too.
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Only if you average the entire meet to date but if you average the days when he didn’t stable at the track it was around .600 compared to .192 since he’s stabled at the track. It’s wrong fir making him stable at the track but he does not average nearly what he normally does when he isn’t stabled at the track. Numbers don’t lie. But he got screwed over and if they do not make Erv Miller who just had a hot test at M1 stable at the track, then Tyler George should sue this shit out of them. It’s not right to do that the horseman’s association should get together and boycott the box until they release Tyler from detention or make others like Erv Miller come to the track too.
He was stabled at the track 2 weeks BEFORE the meet opened. I don't get where your numbers are coming from. 600 before and 192 since? The horses have been there then entire meet to date as you phrased it
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He was stabled at the track 2 weeks BEFORE the meet opened. I don't get where your numbers are coming from. 600 before and 192 since? The horses have been there then entire meet to date as you phrased it
If his numbers are the same then why complain about stabling at the track. He is too pissed off if it did t matter. The other night in the paddock walking around with a sour look on his face. If it doesn’t matter then just stay at the track and bat .600 either way and enjoy it. He gets to save mo eye on stall rent too
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If his numbers are the same then why complain about stabling at the track. He is too pissed off if it did t matter. The other night in the paddock walking around with a sour look on his face. If it doesn’t matter then just stay at the track and bat .600 either way and enjoy it. He gets to save mo eye on stall rent too
Who WANTS to stable at that place??? Dark ass SMALL stalls like being in a cave. He has a brand new barn with large stalls, a wheel, and fields. Some people don't mind spending money for comfort. Not to mention limited track hours, no washer and dryers, 1 bath stall per 30 stalls, no grass anywhere, constant construction sounds making your horses always on edge, people (security) walking through the barns at night that turn on the lights and can't grasp the basic concept of turning them off. #1- PRIVACY. Being at the track is like living in college housing with 98 roommates. Hard pass for a lot of people.
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Hopple Burns, General Dolan did win an Open Pace before! It was at Miami Valley 2 years ago, with Brandon Bates driving! He's never won one at HP until Friday!! It sure as hell surprised the hell out of me!! At 3, he drew into the same division as Always A Prince every Stake race that season!! Of course, he never was close!!
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Who WANTS to stable at that place??? Dark ass SMALL stalls like being in a cave. He has a brand new barn with large stalls, a wheel, and fields. Some people don't mind spending money for comfort. Not to mention limited track hours, no washer and dryers, 1 bath stall per 30 stalls, no grass anywhere, constant construction sounds making your horses always on edge, people (security) walking through the barns at night that turn on the lights and can't grasp the basic concept of turning them off. #1- PRIVACY. Being at the track is like living in college housing with 98 roommates. Hard pass for a lot of people.
If he’s batting the same then why complain. Tyler himself can go to his beautiful home and enjoy his privacy and come to the track to race his horses and still bat .600. See how easy that is? So all the bs of being stabled at the track won’t bother him at all because he is free to go to his home and come to the track whenever he wants since he’s batting the same average either way, there is no inconvenience either way. You said the contraction noises and no washer and dryer but he’s still batting the same so why bother. Stay at the track and live on their money. Sounds good to me as long as he’s doing just as good. But I KNOW HIS AVERAGE ISNT CLOSE TO WHAT IT WAS WHEN HE WAS STABLED AT THE FARM. JUST OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK. He is being singled out and treated unfairly tho. Just make it fair for everyone. Bring in Erv Miller too
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If he’s batting the same then why complain. Tyler himself can go to his beautiful home and enjoy his privacy and come to the track to race his horses and still bat .600. See how easy that is? So all the bs of being stabled at the track won’t bother him at all because he is free to go to his home and come to the track whenever he wants since he’s batting the same average either way, there is no inconvenience either way. You said the contraction noises and no washer and dryer but he’s still batting the same so why bother. Stay at the track and live on their money. Sounds good to me as long as he’s doing just as good. But I KNOW HIS AVERAGE ISNT CLOSE TO WHAT IT WAS WHEN HE WAS STABLED AT THE FARM. JUST OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK. He is being singled out and treated unfairly tho. Just make it fair for everyone. Bring in Erv Miller too
What average are you on and on about???? You keep talking about stabling at the farm vs at the track average All the hoosier horses ARE AT hoosier and HAVE BEEN since before the meet opened so what average are you comparing? Last year's where he broke the over all win number.... while stabling at the track? I mean if you are going to go on about something atleast make it make sense.
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Here you want an accurate weekly average. What's the system its broken down by? Straight up how many raced vs how they did or is there a point sytem?
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Tyler George was NOT stabled at Hoosier at the beginning of this meet. He had to come in at the end of March and his time is up on June 2nd. He was at the farm proper until the end of March when the stewards said he has 90 days or else go race someplace else.
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Tyler George was NOT stabled at Hoosier at the beginning of this meet. He had to come in at the end of March and his time is up on June 2nd. He was at the farm proper until the end of March when the stewards said he has 90 days or else go race someplace else.
Where do you get your information? Tyler moved in March 13. You need a new source because the one you have now appears to be an idiot. 11.wp. 90 days? Again - WRONG
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HE STARTED HIS TIME ON APRIL 2 AND I THINK IT ENDS JUNE 2. THAT WOULD BE 90 DAYS. DON'T KNOW THE GUY BUT I ALSO THINK HIS HORSES RACE BETTER AWAY FROM THE TRACK. DEFINTELY NOT THE SAME TRAINER ON THE TRACK THAN HE IS OFF THE TRACK. JUST MY 2 CENTS.
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Math and time aren't your stongest weapons guys. April 2 to June 2 ...90 days ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Try 60
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You guys are all off TG has always had stalls at Hoosier barn 8. However, his 75 day jail sentence started March 18Th when he started moving some in. but, at the start of the meet he was rotating horses to the farm and the track until management made him leave the horses racing at Hoosier in barn 8 and can’t leave unless they are followed by security u til June 2nd. It’s in the contract at Hoosier that if any trainer has a .400 or better training % management can make them move to the grounds and placed in detention. That’s what they did to him. After he qualified horses running off and won with every horse the first week. And as as far his % of winners since not being able to rotate horses to the farm it’s not even worth commenting on cuz any gambler knows what they saw the last couple weeks.
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No body rotated to the farm. Not one horse has went to hoosier and returned to the farm. Not one single horse that races at hoosier. The horses moved in March 13. The horses can't leave the grounds period except to go to the spa.... and are escorted by security. You are correct on that one. How can someone bitch when 14 out of 22 have been on the board? How are these bad starts? Are you guys watching the same.horses?? And fyi his 75 days technically as far as hoosier is concerned started on the first day of the meet.
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You guys are all off TG has always had stalls at Hoosier barn 8. However, his 75 day jail sentence started March 18Th when he started moving some in. but, at the start of the meet he was rotating horses to the farm and the track until management made him leave the horses racing at Hoosier in barn 8 and can’t leave unless they are followed by security u til June 2nd. It’s in the contract at Hoosier that if any trainer has a .400 or better training % management can make them move to the grounds and placed in detention. That’s what they did to him. After he qualified horses running off and won with every horse the first week. And as as far his % of winners since not being able to rotate horses to the farm it’s not even worth commenting on cuz any gambler knows what they saw the last couple weeks.
So if a trainer has two horses and the first week both horses win and he’s batting .1000 he has to stable at the track? That’s the dumbest shit I ever heard. The guy did nothing wrong but win except when they let him stop rotating horses back and forth. Whatever the case if that .400 training average is really true in the contract, there is going to be a lot of trainers stabled at the track. Check out Erv Miller
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Math and time aren't your stongest weapons guys. April 2 to June 2 ...90 days ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Try 60
EXCUSE ME I MADE A MISTAKE. SORRY I'M NOT PERFECT LIKE YOU. ONLY POINT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD ARE SAYING AND THAT IS TYLER'S HORSES ARE DEFINTELY NOT THE SAME WHEN HE IS STABLED AT THE TRACK.
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EXCUSE ME I MADE A MISTAKE. SORRY I'M NOT PERFECT LIKE YOU. ONLY POINT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD ARE SAYING AND THAT IS TYLER'S HORSES ARE DEFINTELY NOT THE SAME WHEN HE IS STABLED AT THE TRACK.
Yet he broke the record for the most wins in a season while stabled at the track last year.... hmmm
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Yet he broke the record for the most wins in a season while stabled at the track last year.... hmmm
WAS HE STABLED AT THE TRACK FOR THE ENTIRE MEET LAST YEAR? I DON'T THINK I EVER REMEMBER SEEING HIM JOGGING ON THE TRACK LAST YEAR. IF HE WAS, THEN MY MISTAKE BUT I DON'T THINK TYLER WAS STABLED AT THE TRACK LAST YEAR FOR 75 DAYS AND IF HE WAS, THEN WE'LL PROBABLY SEE ANOTHER RECORD SETTING YEAR FOR HIM WITH HIM BEING STABLED THERE FOR THE NEXT 75 DAYS.
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The entire year. A week before opening to the very last day of the meet.
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but he batted .192 last week and most of those horses were 6/5 or lower
I love you how you just made up a random number lower than 0.400 and tried to act like you did the math ngc3 ngc3
Formula to calculate the Universal Driver Rating System (UDRS): (Number of wins x 9) + (Number of seconds x 5) + (Number of thirds x 3) divided by (Number of starts x 9)
Last week TG had 5 parimutual starters at Hoosier Park - 3 1st, 1 2nd, 1 5th
UDRS = (3x9)+(1x5)+(0x3) / (5x9) = 0.711
Tyler George's UDRS last week was 0.711
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Well then he should have no complaints and stable at the track the whole year. Heck that’s a better average then when he was at the farm. He should thank Hoosier management and stay at the track for the rest of the year. He’ll never bat .711 at the farm do by all means please keep him stabled at the track. But how did he only race 5 starters? That seems like he didn’t race his entire barn.
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Royal Rose scratched today. Tyler didn’t bring him to the track so automatic scratch. He said fuck it only a 5 claimed anyway
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Royal Rose scratched today. Tyler didn’t bring him to the track so automatic scratch. He said fuck it only a 5 claimed anyway
Dude... he's been at hoosier for a grip.
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Dude... he's been at hoosier for a grip.
Not royal rose pal. Tyler win 2 tonight and almost 3. Time to release Tyler and bring in Erv, Essig and brown.
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Yes pal Royale rose. At the track - been at the track
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Tyler best trainer at Hoosier bar none. Get it straight pal. Say whatever you want but Tyler is better than anyone at Hoosier
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They bought Royale Rose off ongait from Billy Farmer. He’s not even Tyler’s horse it’s Chuck Groens horse. He works for Tyler. If he’s in barn 8 he just came in after Chuck bought him from Billy.
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They bought Royale Rose off ongait from Billy Farmer. He’s not even Tyler’s horse it’s Chuck Groens horse. He works for Tyler. If he’s in barn 8 he just came in after Chuck bought him from Billy.
So close... and still so wrong. Maybe one day you will.have actual facts
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So close... and still so wrong. Maybe one day you will.have actual facts
Doesn’t matter, Tyler is the best trainer at Hoosier bar none. All of those big time trainers with 100-150 horses and Tyler beats their asses every time and will be leading trainer again. Just watch and learn something. Tyler George #1
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Doesn’t matter, Tyler is the best trainer at Hoosier bar none. All of those big time trainers with 100-150 horses and Tyler beats their asses every time and will be leading trainer again. Just watch and learn something. Tyler George #1
Tyler George 11.bz MikeAnt
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Tyler George 11.bz MikeAnt
Straight forward from the Senator.
You jokers on duty for the defense are just silly.
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Senator blows goats ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Senator blows goats ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Bro, I'm so glad you're here, safe with all your Horseplop brothers and sisters (and tolerant jews and blacks too), because out there (anywhere else), a hate crime machine like you would be offed in 0.2 seconds. tmbz1
Welcome back ant! ;D
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Senator blows goats ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
typical sophomoric , juvenile blabbing.
Mike - when this discussion began .. you were going down on T Geo. Now, you're trying the other side o the street. You're like a bobber on a tiny crik just popping round.