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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: PucksnHorses on April 22, 2023, 10:35:13 PM
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They put it on the screen saying the drivers are refusing to race as a result the remainder of the card is canceled. Oh boy!!
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track seem like it was in great shape
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Yea like get out there boys and get struck by lightning.
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no lightning in the last hour
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Safety of horses comes first good call
Race another day
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If you've ever sat behind a horse in a race bike after a close lightning strike you'll understand. Some of these animals are a tad skittish.
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"Our fans and our horsemen have come through for us time and again during what’s been a special year for us at The Meadowlands, but tonight was not one of those nights," said track Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir. “Our crew got the track back in shape to resume the races in as timely a fashion as possible, but the drivers refused to continue. We were prepared to drag the post times as long as we needed to reach at $3 million in handle. Jeff and I were very disappointed with the drivers decision and it is something we will address with them going forward.”
Meadowlands media relations
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The rain and lightning here was intense after the 7th race so horses cannot race in that mess and it is pouring now at 11:30pm as well.
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"Our fans and our horsemen have come through for us time and again during what’s been a special year for us at The Meadowlands, but tonight could not be one of those nights," said track Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir. “Our crew could not get the track back in shape to resume the races in as timely a fashion as possible, so the drivers rightly refused to continue.”
Meadowlands media relations
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"BUT" starts my favorite part. tmbz1
Shit, I wish I this knew yesterday and this morning (what happened tonight) DUH LOL, I would of asked Jeff Gural when we had an email exchange which side of the The Emancipation Proclamation he would of been on, for or against. Give Gural his casino already, probably did 2 / 1 hot dogs for patrons who stayed for simulcast and sportsbook! ;D
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It’s about time they stood up to Gural 11.wp and his “Mini Me” ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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It's their lives that are on the line. Tell the little fuck to put on a rain suit and go out on the track. Like Campbell, Pierce, Cat etc would go out in that mess. What are they gonna do, give the drivers a week off, make them stand in a corner. Power play coming up, need Ronnie to go see Jeff and his minion, before it gets worse. Ronnie has the answers.
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"Our fans and our horsemen have come through for us time and again during what’s been a special year for us at The Meadowlands, but tonight was not one of those nights," said track Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir. “Our crew got the track back in shape to resume the races in as timely a fashion as possible, but the drivers refused to continue. We were prepared to drag the post times as long as we needed to reach at $3 million in handle. Jeff and I were very disappointed with the drivers decision and it is something we will address with them going forward.”
Meadowlands media relations
"Dragging post times" Wouldn't that affect the later Lasix horses?
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The minion had no choice, he knew he was going to get an ass chewing from his idol. He ordered that to be put across the screen and for it to be announced. Maybe his idol cut him some slack because he "called out' the drivers. They screwed up his 3 million dollar "dream' now he doesn't have that to talk about.
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How dare Mother Nature interfere with their 3 million dollar night! If in fact the general manager of 3 standardbred racetracks, (all Gural owned), does know with delay comes issue with the health and well being of Lasix horses, then they is an indictment of his fitness to run three racetracks. If in fact he knows the delay issue with lasix horses and the 3 million dollar night was more important to them than the safety and we’ll being of all involved, horses and humans, then there are not enough words to describe how disgusting they are.
Then again these sate the people that gave us Andrew “Shades” Dansky! Buffoons! I rest my case!
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Jeff have been running tracks for years and still hasn't learned that the impending severe weather is going to impact the card! He has nobody to blame but himself! M1 made a rookie mistake !
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How dare Mother Nature interfere with their 3 million dollar night! If in fact the general manager of 3 standardbred racetracks, (all Gural owned), does know with delay comes issue with the health and well being of Lasix horses, then they is an indictment of his fitness to run three racetracks. If in fact he knows the delay issue with lasix horses and the 3 million dollar night was more important to them than the safety and we’ll being of all involved, horses and humans, then there are not enough words to describe how disgusting they are.
Then again these sate the people that gave us Andrew “Shades” Dansky! Buffoons! I rest my case!
It just seems as the Meadowlands has become Gural's three ring circus! You got goofs doing interviews, Amateur drivers, 7500 claimers, a race secretary that takes it up the :1 and
a guy who couldn't pick the winner in a one horse race.
Years ago, the Meadowlands was known to be the premier place to race and top-notch horses, trainers and drivers. And it was a privilege to race there!
Now it's like I said, its a Three Ring Circus!
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It just seems as the Meadowlands has become Gural's three ring circus! You got goofs doing interviews, Amateur drivers, 7500 claimers, a race secretary that takes it up the :1 and
a guy who couldn't pick the winner in a one horse race.
Years ago, the Meadowlands was known to be the premier place to race and top-notch horses, trainers and drivers. And it was a privilege to race there!
Now it's like I said, its a Three Ring Circus!
ngc3 Amen to that. Circuses sell out when they come to town. This shit show is getting old, no casino in range there, the juice is squeezed out of everyone and everything, JG needs to think future, start investing heavily, take on partners whatever and play long, or launch the fuck out of there for new blood with deeper pockets and a better plan, starting with a formidable resurrection. tmbz1
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It just seems as the Meadowlands has become Gural's three ring circus! You got goofs doing interviews, Amateur drivers, 7500 claimers, a race secretary that takes it up the :1 and
a guy who couldn't pick the winner in a one horse race.
Years ago, the Meadowlands was known to be the premier place to race and top-notch horses, trainers and drivers. And it was a privilege to race there!
Now it's like I said, its a Three Ring Circus!
I remember the first time I raced there in the 90's. Holy crap was I overwhelmed. Between my fanboy admiration of the other drivers and the sheer size and glamour of the place was awesome. It was always packed, there were families there with the kiddos waving at the drivers. Now it's just another track with a few old timers with nothing better to do on the apron. It's a damn shame
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I remember the first time I raced there in the 90's. Holy crap was I overwhelmed. Between my fanboy admiration of the other drivers and the sheer size and glamour of the place was awesome. It was always packed, there were families there with the kiddos waving at the drivers. Now it's just another track with a few old timers with nothing better to do on the apron. It's a damn shame
I was in my mid 20's then probably at the Pegasus restaurant on a date. Lobster ravioli, shit I remember, probably betting on races you were in too....when I was a young teen sneaking on the senior bus, and hanging out in their grandstand and betting. Jate Lobell had a nice undefeated string, Miss Easy a baby filly monster... JG is now surrounded by spineless YES MEN.
I think I see a Jeff Gural open letter from us already forming, and then us seeking immediate advisement therein, enough is enough. tmbz1
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"We have had some bad weather luck for the last two Saturdays, but last week, we were able to resume without a problem,” said track chief operating officer and general manager Jason Settlemoir. “This time, we weren’t so lucky. It seems that Dexter Dunn, Scott Zeron and the McCarthy brothers had driving commitments in Kentucky on Sunday and they were not willing to change their travel arrangements. It would have necessitated numerous driver changes and scratches to our later races so regrettably we were forced to abandon the remainder of our program. We will certainly discuss this situation at the next drivers meeting before the Championship meet."
Dave Little - Meadowlands media
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"We have had some bad weather luck for the last two Saturdays, but last week, we were able to resume without a problem,” said track chief operating officer and general manager Jason Settlemoir. “This time, we weren’t so lucky. It seems that Dexter Dunn, Scott Zeron and the McCarthy brothers had driving commitments in Kentucky on Sunday and they were not willing to change their travel arrangements. It would have necessitated numerous driver changes and scratches to our later races so regrettably we were forced to abandon the remainder of our program. We will certainly discuss this situation at the next drivers meeting before the Championship meet."
Dave Little - Meadowlands media
They couldn't have said this in their first press release, lol, just a more expanded explanation - with the track again we had no choice - and driver changes and scratching was an option. Wouldn't be the first time we saw this after say an accident, a bunch of changes.
The McCarthy brothers got their rest, made their flight and picked up 3 wins on $50k stakes purse races (at Oak Grove), and very likely secured their future drives for those connections, along with the other drivers who kept their commitments.
I appreciate the BigM transparency, BUT (<-- their fav word ;D) as the members already said here, the energy there is dead, and them meeting their bottom line and what we seek from them as gamblers, fans and horsemen in part, recapturing what we lost, seem to be mutually exclusive.
And the YES MEN comment was a threat, your jobs are in jeopardy! tmbz1
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The track is a zoo. It isn't a nice place to spend an evening. It's run by lying hypocrites. I will make some plays there from home. I won't go there anymore.
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how quickly people forget what happened at Freehold a few years ago
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how quickly people forget what happened at Freehold a few years ago
What happened ??
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"We have had some bad weather luck for the last two Saturdays, but last week, we were able to resume without a problem,” said track chief operating officer and general manager Jason Settlemoir. “This time, we weren’t so lucky. It seems that Dexter Dunn, Scott Zeron and the McCarthy brothers had driving commitments in Kentucky on Sunday and they were not willing to change their travel arrangements. It would have necessitated numerous driver changes and scratches to our later races so regrettably we were forced to abandon the remainder of our program. We will certainly discuss this situation at the next drivers meeting before the Championship meet."
Dave Little - Meadowlands media
They couldn't have said this in their first press release, lol, just a more expanded explanation - with the track again we had no choice - and driver changes and scratching was an option. Wouldn't be the first time we saw this after say an accident, a bunch of changes.
The McCarthy brothers got their rest, made their flight and picked up 3 wins on $50k stakes purse races (at Oak Grove), and very likely secured their future drives for those connections, along with the other drivers who kept their commitments.
I appreciate the BigM transparency, BUT (<-- their fav word ;D) as the members already said here, the energy there is dead, and them meeting their bottom line and what we seek from them as gamblers, fans and horsemen in part, recapturing what we lost, seem to be mutually exclusive.
And the YES MEN comment was a threat, your jobs are in jeopardy! tmbz1
They couldn't have said this in their first press release, no they couldn't, because thats not what they SAID........ Senator, your usually pretty accurate on fact checking information, but stanetelman is a LIAR and always changes the quotes to stir the shit with the pigeons.......... .. fact check ANY of his past Meadowlands quotes and you will see the difference.
Here is the actual quote.
Shortly after the seventh race – which went off at 8:50 p.m. – a light rain started to fall at the mile oval before a powerful storm engulfed the area. Track announcer Ken Warkentin informed the public of the cancellation at 10:29 p.m., explaining that the drivers thought it was too dangerous to continue.
“We have had some bad weather luck for the last two Saturdays, but last week, we were able to resume without a problem,” said track Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir. “This time, we weren’t so lucky.”
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how quickly people forget what happened at Freehold a few years ago
He might be referring to the race when the starting gate slid on the ice at the start and about wiped out several family bloodlines. I think the video is on youtube
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They couldn't have said this in their first press release, no they couldn't, because thats not what they SAID........ Senator, your usually pretty accurate on fact checking information, but stanetelman is a LIAR and always changes the quotes to stir the shit with the pigeons.......... .. fact check ANY of his past Meadowlands quotes and you will see the difference.
Here is the actual quote.
Shortly after the seventh race – which went off at 8:50 p.m. – a light rain started to fall at the mile oval before a powerful storm engulfed the area. Track announcer Ken Warkentin informed the public of the cancellation at 10:29 p.m., explaining that the drivers thought it was too dangerous to continue.
“We have had some bad weather luck for the last two Saturdays, but last week, we were able to resume without a problem,” said track Chief Operating Officer and General Manager Jason Settlemoir. “This time, we weren’t so lucky.”
We'll make sure whether Gural stays on or a successor you'll keep your shilling for the BIgM job. I just want to be janitorial, no one tells the janitor what to do, who advises on cleaning up shit!
BTW, I admire you SAW, you take getting spit-roasted like a true bitch hero, suckling the BigM from the front like a good piglet, and squealing from those honest here who got your back. Good job chump champ! ;D
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They could have easily just said that due to the quick hitting weather, the remaining races are cancelled due to safety concerns.
Instead, they pointedly blamed the drivers while removing any blame from themselves and trackmen. The track has a real axe to grind with these drivers
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"We have had some bad weather luck for the last two Saturdays, but last week, we were able to resume without a problem,” said track chief operating officer and general manager Jason Settlemoir. “This time, we weren’t so lucky. It seems that Dexter Dunn, Scott Zeron and the McCarthy brothers had driving commitments in Kentucky on Sunday and they were not willing to change their travel arrangements. It would have necessitated numerous driver changes and scratches to our later races so regrettably we were forced to abandon the remainder of our program. We will certainly discuss this situation at the next drivers meeting before the Championship meet."
Dave Little - Meadowlands media
stanetelman, prove that you're not a lying cocksucker shill too, say from across the border, Mohawk (BigM's biggest competition and jealous), a disgruntled employee, writer, gambler etc and provide a DIRECT LINK to this and all your source material going forward (and the past too) for BigM quotes - any quotes for that matter.
Thanks SAW, I went over the top with you for other reasons, maybe too far at times I go, maybe necessary to out LYING FAGGOTS but I like you and AM CALLING BULLSHIT on this MOTHER FUCKING SCUMBAG! 91.jzail
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The only reason the Minion said anything, he knew he was going to get an ass reaming. So, throw the drivers under the bus. His idol might not ream him so bad. Jeff, ya don't control everything, just your minion. Drivers still said fuck you!!
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The only reason the Minion said anything, he knew he was going to get an ass reaming. So, throw the drivers under the bus. His idol might not ream him so bad. Jeff, ya don't control everything, just your minion. Drivers still said fuck you!!
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BULLSHIT WAS CALLED - Where are the source links to verify your BigM quotes?
WARNING TO ALL ON THIS DUDE'S FICTION, HE'S TAKEN US ON A RIDE AT TIMES! tmbz1
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SAW is a good dude. Santelman is always being creative with Jeffrey quotes. I'm sure gural is thinking those things but he doesn't actually say them to anyone outside of his circle
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SAW is a good dude. Santelman is always being creative with Jeffrey quotes. I'm sure gural is thinking those things but he doesn't actually say them to anyone outside of his circle
His (stanetelman) opinion matters plenty, until he puts quotes on fiction and signs it with someone else's name.
That's all, not much. ;D
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Source: Trust Me Bro
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Source: Trust Me Bro
That was nice, clever and funny and likely true from that dude's (stanetelman's) brain.
13 years ago, as a fan / gambler I reached out to Jeff Gural, this last week I picked up where we left off in that email chain - as a member here had a seemingly legitimate concern. The truth is truth, and I wasn't ever seeking inside dope with JG on horses, real estate, stocks, BigM is minor league bs to him compared to all his interests and integrity, there is no need for anyone here to spin tales, libel & forgery, fuck no, because we're commenting off it.
Let's all be real dudes, and expect the same from others, billionaire or not! tmbz1
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stanetelman popped into this thread a few times tonight, his silence (other than his self aggrandizing agreement to his bs) has spoken volumes! This buds for you bro! 96z.p
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Source: Trust Me Bro
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There are regulations in play if there is lightning detected in the area
"ARCI-014-025 Operations
Track management shall develop a hazardous weather and lightning protocol approved by the commission.
The Commission shall designate the personnel responsible for immediately investigating any known impending threat of dangerous weather conditions to determine if conditions exist which warrant delay and/or cancellation of a performance and/or the notification to the public of such threatening weather conditions. The first priority of all decisions made shall be the well-being and safety of all persons and animals.
The stewards shall commence a race delay when lightning is detected within 8 miles radius of the racetrack and remain in effect until a minimum of 30 minutes has passed since the last strike is observed within an eight mile radius.
A written report of any such incident shall be filed within 72 hours to the Commission designee by the highest-ranking association official."
there it is----if there was lightning observed in the area for 8 mile radius-and it was still there-30 minutes after a delay----then there is NO ARGUMENT. Rain is not a reason to cancel-unless the track conditions are hazardous.
After the 7th there was a 30 min delay--at which time there was no lightning within 8 miles-only rain some heavy.
Track was in good condition to race.
IMHO Gural was right---couple of pussie drivers didnt want to get wet-or had drives they didnt think they could win on--so they opened their mouth and screamed --CANCEL.
My Dad has been a racing fan for 50 odd years--says some drivers today are pussies--Drivers up in Canada-drive in snow blizzards at sub zero degrees--no problem. Nobody drives in lightning or lightning in the area--but rain or wind-is no reason to cancel--unless the track conditions are hazardous.
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There are regulations in play if there is lightning detected in the area
"ARCI-014-025 Operations
Track management shall develop a hazardous weather and lightning protocol approved by the commission.
The Commission shall designate the personnel responsible for immediately investigating any known impending threat of dangerous weather conditions to determine if conditions exist which warrant delay and/or cancellation of a performance and/or the notification to the public of such threatening weather conditions. The first priority of all decisions made shall be the well-being and safety of all persons and animals.
The stewards shall commence a race delay when lightning is detected within 8 miles radius of the racetrack and remain in effect until a minimum of 30 minutes has passed since the last strike is observed within an eight mile radius.
A written report of any such incident shall be filed within 72 hours to the Commission designee by the highest-ranking association official."
there it is----if there was lightning observed in the area for 8 mile radius-and it was still there-30 minutes after a delay----then there is NO ARGUMENT. Rain is not a reason to cancel-unless the track conditions are hazardous.
After the 7th there was a 30 min delay--at which time there was no lightning within 8 miles-only rain some heavy.
Track was in good condition to race.
IMHO Gural was right---couple of pussie drivers didnt want to get wet-or had drives they didnt think they could win on--so they opened their mouth and screamed --CANCEL.
My Dad has been a racing fan for 50 odd years--says some drivers today are pussies--Drivers up in Canada-drive in snow blizzards at sub zero degrees--no problem. Nobody drives in lightning or lightning in the area--but rain or wind-is no reason to cancel--unless the track conditions are hazardous.
Thank you very much, finally some real facts, and truth - actual guidelines to direct how to mitigate and or decide how to move forward under a very specific, complex, unique set of circumstances - weather, lightening.
You are OBJECTIVELY correct too in you assessment of seeing all perspectives of the businessman angle (Track owner, drivers, connections), based on this data, very wise.
BOND you've done us a service, and those that choose to read and not be ignorant have the opportunity to thrive on REAL INFORMATION and again COMPLEX. A++ Report Pal. Some fucking SPORTS WRITER and or JUDGE shit ya done there! tmbz1
Shame on me (and others) for our prior ignorance, it's no excuse. :P
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I was a little surprised by cancellation. Though, based just on 45 yrs of betting most big m and mohawk cards and watching, its become evident to me that once s stoppage goes into effect, and regardless of what track says at the time (ie only temporary delay) pribably not going to restart at least 2 out of three times. More often than not temporary stoppage will mean game over (shutd o wn) after and hour or 2 delay.
Harness becoming like nba; where players ( or drivers in our situation) drive the bus as much as owners.
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I was a little surprised by cancellation. Though, based just on 45 yrs of betting most big m and mohawk cards and watching, its become evident to me that once s stoppage goes into effect, and regardless of what track says at the time (ie only temporary delay) pribably not going to restart at least 2 out of three times. More often than not temporary stoppage will mean game over (shutd o wn) after and hour or 2 delay.
Harness becoming like nba; where players ( or drivers in our situation) drive the bus as much as owners.
It will be probably be a one off, factored in and long forgotten......BU TT IF ANOTHA SOON.....with everyone grabbing for control of the wheel.....get the popcorn.....and get ready for the collision likely to happen. tmbz1
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Gural and Co sticking it to the drivers this weekend, prob pay back. They added a 4th amatuer race to the menu and even put it on the Saturday card. Vindication
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Gural and Co sticking it to the drivers this weekend, prob pay back. They added a 4th amatuer race to the menu and even put it on the Saturday card. Vindication
Yup, 3 on Friday, 1 Saturday. That's fucking those that bet the BigM and dislike that shit too. Just as I was going to turn my interest there to see what the recent hoopla, hype was about big pools and transparency, I'll just focus on the derby until I see something I like.
Don't forget Saturday 3rd (NJMaturity) too, 4 horse race, there the track getting fucked - 0 interest in that, at least they brought an extra 2 bums for Niki and Treach to duke it out last week....August can't come soon enough there! ;D
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Sad what the place has turned into, weekend racing: amateurs instead of the best harness racing in the country. Best horses, best drivers, now you have chariot races. Drivers being told how to drive and threatened openly.
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Sad what the place has turned into, weekend racing: amateurs instead of the best harness racing in the country. Best horses, best drivers, now you have chariot races. Drivers being told how to drive and threatened openly.
Roger that bro! We can go all day with - miniature golf racing, PS 16W, The BIgM Merry Go-Round....and as for forced transparency too, AWKWARD, trainers and drivers, saying $100+ winners and placers - "Needs a Miracle", or they say nothing at all. How about someone says - look at this field of slobs, we're sending this one! Rated G or nothing at all, fake, phony bs.
Either it's real and has the feel, or it's this - a facade to get our dough. The energy of old is not only gone but it's now negative! Man up BigM! tmbz1
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Question---when did it ever become legal to have amateur drivers race in a pari-mutual race. Do the Amateur drivers have "A" qualifications? Can one assume that it is because they have their own horses to drive? confusing to say the least especially at the BIG M
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Question---when did it ever become legal to have amateur drivers race in a pari-mutual race. Do the Amateur drivers have "A" qualifications? Can one assume that it is because they have their own horses to drive? confusing to say the least especially at the BIG M
Ask Gural, just start the conversation like this - "It's good to be the king..." ;D
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Yup, 3 on Friday, 1 Saturday. That's fucking those that bet the BigM and dislike that shit too. Just as I was going to turn my interest there to see what the recent hoopla, hype was about big pools and transparency, I'll just focus on the derby until I see something I like.
Don't forget Saturday 3rd (NJMaturity) too, 4 horse race, there the track getting fucked - 0 interest in that, at least they brought an extra 2 bums for Niki and Treach to duke it out last week....August can't come soon enough there! ;D
While I may be in the minority on this issue, I don't mind 2 or 3 amateur races on Friday night, adding more on Saturday night is a bridge too far...........
On the topic of this thread........... .. forecasters are calling for heavy rain Saturday/Saturday Night????????
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Ask Gural, just start the conversation like this - "It's good to be the king..." ;D
FUCK Gural and his dump of a racetrack. There are plenty of other places to race at and bet on. He can stick his Sports Book up his ass too. It was a great day when New York started legal sports betting from home. King Shit must have lost 75% of his business that day.
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I don't give a fucking scintilla of a loyalty shit to any racetrack in the world. They are in my servitude. I find what I like in a situation, and if I feel like Maiden Special weights one day at the T-breds, Stake Races and or with Standardbreds, or any rivalry, I order it up. No fast food racing, only gourmet and based on what the "palate" desires.
I can do that, because of mistakes and now experience, and what I don't know that can fill a galaxy of libraries I can access, rainy day, lifetime pp's....All the tools, all the stats, take my time and let it come to me. Forming a warm fuzzy feeling on something, then understanding how to bet is the second half of of the equation!
I call what I do - short term low risk high return potential predictive work AKA GAMBLING!
Let the world be your MENU - Do Not Chase Anything or Anyone! You deserve better, NO, the absolute BEST! ;D
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I don't give a fucking scintilla of a loyalty shit to any racetrack in the world. They are in my servitude. I find what I like in a situation, and if I feel like Maiden Special weights one day at the T-breds, Stake Races and or with Standardbreds, or any rivalry, I order it up. No fast food racing, only gourmet and based on what the "palate" desires.
I can do that, because of mistakes and now experience, and what I don't know that can fill a galaxy of libraries I can access, rainy day, lifetime pp's....All the tools, all the stats, take my time and let it come to me. Forming a warm fuzzy feeling on something, then understanding how to bet is the second half of of the equation!
I call what I do - short term low risk high return potential predictive work AKA GAMBLING!
Let the world be your MENU - Do Not Chase Anything or Anyone! You deserve better, NO, the absolute BEST! ;D
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