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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: getreal on May 01, 2023, 08:27:37 PM
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How in the hell Does the Race Secretary allow Nandolo in this Race. Not only does he let him drop to this level, he writes him in!
Never ever ever since Ive been in the biz does it look ok to write in a horse that pays 2.10 to win. Not a great idea. Wonder
whats going on in that office?
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How in the hell Does the Race Secretary allow Nandolo in this Race. Not only does he let him drop to this level, he writes him in!
Never ever ever since Ive been in the biz does it look ok to write in a horse that pays 2.10 to win. Not a great idea. Wonder
whats going on in that office?
Switch to SouthPark!. It's more fun and on the level. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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How in the hell Does the Race Secretary allow Nandolo in this Race. Not only does he let him drop to this level, he writes him in!
Never ever ever since Ive been in the biz does it look ok to write in a horse that pays 2.10 to win. Not a great idea. Wonder
whats going on in that office?
Back in the time of the dinosaurs when I was racing, sometimes a race sec. would ask to use your horse, who had no chance, to write a race. In return, well I'm sure you get it. Sometimes?
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And the very next race, the 4th, Joe Bongiorno beat the #5 Hecandancencruise 1/2 the race with the whip, very hard. Brought home the win home and brutalized the horse in such a way it really stands out. He's a sick fuck! >:(
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And the very next race, the 4th, Joe Bongiorno beat the #5 Hecandancencruise 1/2 the race with the whip, very hard. Brought home the win home and brutalized the horse in such a way it really stands out. He's a sick fuck! >:(
Bet he didn't even get called in or fined 11.wp
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Bet he didn't even get called in or fined 11.wp
I tried to find the whipping rules in NYS, he whipped the horse 22 times, most of those strikes using ALL his leverage and body weight. Tomorrow I'll be having a conversation with some people - corporate, regulatory and journalists....an d I'll advise herein right after I do. tmbz1
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And the very next race, the 4th, Joe Bongiorno beat the #5 Hecandancencruise 1/2 the race with the whip, very hard. Brought home the win home and brutalized the horse in such a way it really stands out. He's a sick fuck! >:(
That is correct sir and somehow or another, he deserves a good beating
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That is correct sir and somehow or another, he deserves a good beating
Bro I wish you could see me in action tomorrow because I'm going to start with Racing Sec at Yonkers, every investigative journalist, and the NYS Gaming Commission....... and I'm going to end up very soon after (within hours) at the governor chief of staff's office and the corporate office of MGM.
I'm the foremost expert in the US in private consumer protection strategy and solutions, and I'll be seeking beyond advisement. tmbz1
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Bro I wish you could see me in action tomorrow because I'm going to start with Racing Sec at Yonkers, every investigative journalist, and the NYS Gaming Commission....... and I'm going to end up very soon after (within hours) at the governor chief of staff's office and the corporate office of MGM.
I'm the foremost expert in the US in private consumer protection strategy and solutions, and I'll be seeking beyond advisement. tmbz1
This is all well and good. At the end of the day, Joe B. has done this literally hundreds of times before and at best he gets a slap on the wrist and keeps moving on. Harness racing has NO investigative journalists anymore because the event has basically completely gone off the radar. They will give you the run around, thanks for calling and we will get back to you the 12th of never.
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Bro I wish you could see me in action tomorrow because I'm going to start with Racing Sec at Yonkers, every investigative journalist, and the NYS Gaming Commission....... and I'm going to end up very soon after (within hours) at the governor chief of staff's office and the corporate office of MGM.
I'm the foremost expert in the US in private consumer protection strategy and solutions, and I'll be seeking beyond advisement. tmbz1
Slip SCM a $20 and he will do the rest.
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This is all well and good. At the end of the day, Joe B. has done this literally hundreds of times before and at best he gets a slap on the wrist and keeps moving on. Harness racing has NO investigative journalists anymore because the event has basically completely gone off the radar. They will give you the run around, thanks for calling and we will get back to you the 12th of never.
My proficiency is speaking to attorneys, up to Chief legal officers, General Counsels, private sector and government. They are mostly at the stage of deploying other attorneys of theirs, or hiring outside counsel....but when not in a meeting, in court, on a golf course - they take my fucking calls! Lawyers listen and advise their client, only fools don't listen to their attorneys, as they are in place to not only protect, but mitigate.
Lawyers are the literal weapons of agencies and businesses, and I like to play with them when no one else wants to! ;D
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He needs to be made an example of. Keep us posted Senator.
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He needs to be made an example of. Keep us posted Senator.
I called the Yonkers (assigned gaming commission office), voicemail full, great....that leaves in a addition to investigative (sports) journalists, 6 people to be contacted in 2 groups first the GC's / CEO (only BigM) of Harrah's, MGM, Gural, all of which I have their contact info, when you're a lawyer and you practice in a state your respective Bar information (contact) is available - public information. Then the second group - NY, NJ, PA governor's chief of staff's and to get word to those they delegate (Racing / Casinos) at the regulatory level
Journalists should be pick 'em.
The entire Bongiorno Retarded & Cruel Crime Family and their training operation, ownership can go FUCK OFF out of NY, NJ and PA, starting with Joe. It's a bleak picture to see empty slot machine chairs, and your stock price dwindling, your political social media getting PETA'd up the ASS day and night (PETA is a sellout BTW). It's a long time coming, why not start to attempt their EXIT! ;D
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Joey B is a no-talent hack that only knows how to carve one up. You rarely see Dex even touch one. He beat the fuck out of that horse and nothing will be done! Where is SCM when we need him?
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Joey B is a no-talent hack that only knows how to carve one up. You rarely see Dex even touch one. He beat the fuck out of that horse and nothing will be done! Where is SCM when we need him?
Hey, I'm not in competition, love, deploy those that you will or be sarcastic, I ain't no keyboard cowboy, and if I was I'd be John Fucking Wayne.
I don't do this stuff for money and popularity, or to make others feel good (unless the end result if effective would), I do it because it needs getting done. And if given the WORST people "SLEEPLESS NIGHTS" - it's currency! Ya know, it's relative to this forum and the reason for the share!! ;D
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I can’t be the only one just praying 🙏 🙏 🙏 for the bike to split in 2!!!!
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I can’t be the only one just praying 🙏 🙏 🙏 for the bike to split in 2!!!!
You’re not 🙏🙏🙏
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You’re not 🙏🙏🙏
TRUE THAT! tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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How in the hell Does the Race Secretary allow Nandolo in this Race. Not only does he let him drop to this level, he writes him in!
Never ever ever since Ive been in the biz does it look ok to write in a horse that pays 2.10 to win. Not a great idea. Wonder
whats going on in that office?
That Bongiorno ass kissing the tritons been doing is really paying off now. Yonkers even more crooked than the Steve Star era which really takes some doing.
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That Bongiorno ass kissing the tritons been doing is really paying off now. Yonkers even more crooked than the Steve Star era which really takes some doing.
Translation?
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How in the hell Does the Race Secretary allow Nandolo in this Race. Not only does he let him drop to this level, he writes him in!
Never ever ever since Ive been in the biz does it look ok to write in a horse that pays 2.10 to win. Not a great idea. Wonder
whats going on in that office?
The Yonkers race secretary and Judges IMHO-could do a much better job. Race secretary should start handicapping more races. Put lower purse earners inside, write more races for horses that need class relief--eg in nw 5000-more often than not--1 or 2 horses always stand out--so the ones that need some class relief need some help---like drawing inside or write a nw 2500 last 5 or at least put those on the inside . Every program now--you see 20/1 shots in the 678 positions in the majority of races. If you dont slant the gate more-or have the starting car speed up at the head of the stretch and be at full speed at the start--the outside horses need to lay over the field in order to have a chance.
JUDGES---make and ENFORCE this BS whipping by Bongiorno and co.These are modern times--with many diehard animal lovers aghast at the abuse these racehorses are getting--needs to stop pronto.
I was at Yonkers 2 weeks ag0-- a lady stopped to watch a race-and started crying her eyes out near the finish watching Bongiorno ruthlessy whipping his horse while jumping up in the bike like a Jack in the box. I tried to calm her down by saying that the whips they use just make a lot of noise to get the horses attention and dont hurt--but she didnt believe me. This shit keeps going with money hungry grubs like Bongiorno-doing everything but kill a horse to win--needs to stop.
They dont use whips at all in many parts of Scandinavia-and its a much better look. Drivers need to carry a whip in case a horse needs it--but this incessant whipping-is a terrible look for Yonkers. I would throw Bongiorno out everywhere if I was Judge-JMO.
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The Yonkers race secretary and Judges IMHO-could do a much better job. Race secretary should start handicapping more races. Put lower purse earners inside, write more races for horses that need class relief--eg in nw 5000-more often than not--1 or 2 horses always stand out--so the ones that need some class relief need some help---like drawing inside or write a nw 2500 last 5 or at least put those on the inside . Every program now--you see 20/1 shots in the 678 positions in the majority of races. If you dont slant the gate more-or have the starting car speed up at the head of the stretch and be at full speed at the start--the outside horses need to lay over the field in order to have a chance.
JUDGES---make and ENFORCE this BS whipping by Bongiorno and co.These are modern times--with many diehard animal lovers aghast at the abuse these racehorses are getting--needs to stop pronto.
I was at Yonkers 2 weeks ag0-- a lady stopped to watch a race-and started crying her eyes out near the finish watching Bongiorno ruthlessy whipping his horse while jumping up in the bike like a Jack in the box. I tried to calm her down by saying that the whips they use just make a lot of noise to get the horses attention and dont hurt--but she didnt believe me. This shit keeps going with money hungry grubs like Bongiorno-doing everything but kill a horse to win--needs to stop.
They dont use whips at all in many parts of Scandinavia-and its a much better look. Drivers need to carry a whip in case a horse needs it--but this incessant whipping-is a terrible look for Yonkers. I would throw Bongiorno out everywhere if I was Judge-JMO.
Great observations and points, thank you, and from FirstUpFrom8Hole yesterday, a former driver and still involved horseman, the excessive use of the whip can put the horse "in distress", make them "dangerous" and "erratic" during the race.
They're conditioned but they feel it, here is a horse bucking from a horsefly bite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTcSq57t8No
Just stop drawing post positions and treat each and every race at Yonkers like an open handicap, with all assigned post positions by their last 8 starts earned, lowest monies earned start at the 1 hole up to the 10 hole second tier for highest earners racing - for the Yonkers Racing Sec, he's been advised, and if a horse comes off a layoff start those at the 5 hole and disregard earnings in their case. Maybe a different scenario for claimers. tmbz1
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Great observations and points, thank you, and from FirstUpFrom8Hole yesterday, a former driver and still involved horseman, the excessive use of the whip can put the horse "in distress", make them "dangerous" and "erratic" during the race.
They're conditioned but they feel it, here is a horse bucking from a horsefly bite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTcSq57t8No
Just stop drawing post positions and treat each and every race at Yonkers like an open handicap, with all assigned post positions by their last 8 starts earned, lowest monies earned start at the 1 hole up to the 10 hole second tier for highest earners racing - for the Yonkers Racing Sec, he's been advised, and if a horse comes off a layoff start those at the 5 hole and disregard earnings in their case. Maybe a different scenario for claimers. tmbz1
Yes handicapping races sounds great but you will need to have 2-3 doing it-as problems arise if its just the Race secretary---he will be accused of favoritism almost immediately. So--handicapping by the trackmaster ratings, or prizemoney-sounds like a plan-takes out bias..
Don't forget--the race secretaries JOB-is to try to have each race evenly graded.
When you see a program filled with 20/1 shots and higher--he's not doing his job--or the system is not working and the handle disappears..
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I agree and, have been say the same for quite some time. Just as the T-breds handicap by weight. But, there will be the wiseguys who will be inclined to stiff a fit and properly placed animal, to insure an inside post in the next start.
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I agree and, have been say the same for quite some time. Just as the T-breds handicap by weight. But, there will be the wiseguys who will be inclined to stiff a fit and properly placed animal, to insure an inside post in the next start.
Very true.
Thats what happened I am told with the abc system of grading horses--same thing.
So the prizemoney angle should be a better option-or handicapping with Trackmaster ratings.
Drivers will always stiff an animal when he thinks its poorly drawn or outclassed--thats why races need to be graded more evenly by whatever method works best
The current method--is not working too well.
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I agree and, have been say the same for quite some time. Just as the T-breds handicap by weight. But, there will be the wiseguys who will be inclined to stiff a fit and properly placed animal, to insure an inside post in the next start.
If you go by last 8 races of earned money, sure if the 8th race down has a win or large amount of money won, it would drop off then reflect lower total earnings as you pointed in that thoughtful scenario. Make it the last 10 races of earnings, ya know speeder, radar detector mentality we have.
Because if they don't come here and see it, I for one email it to them and follow up with calls. Are they corrupt too, hell yeah, there is always a higher power above them, and leverage in reserve if they continue to fuck us over and mute us out. tmbz1
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Another component that is missing to make handicapping post position by earnings is the horse population.
Back in the day, when race secretaries controlled the game with ABC classification the population on the grounds at Roosevelt was 1000 horses or so. With another 500 in shipping distance. All while needing just 80 horses to fill a card. I see $12,500 claimers that don't fill. And, Opens going for $30-$40K with 5 horse fields.
Some cards you will see 30% or more with imports. Fooking Ireland is now an exporter of uper class racehorses.
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Another component that is missing to make handicapping post position by earnings is the horse population.
Back in the day, when race secretaries controlled the game with ABC classification the population on the grounds at Roosevelt was 1000 horses or so. With another 500 in shipping distance. All while needing just 80 horses to fill a card. I see $12,500 claimers that don't fill. And, Opens going for $30-$40K with 5 horse fields.
Some cards you will see 30% or more with imports. Fooking Ireland is now an exporter of uper class racehorses.
There’s something weird going on there. They can’t fill races yet I’m told they’ve got dozens racing applications from trainers just sitting on the desk. If they really worried about filling all those races wouldn’t you think those applications would all processed? Like I said the place is more crooked than ever.
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There’s something weird going on there. They can’t fill races yet I’m told they’ve got dozens racing applications from trainers just sitting on the desk. If they really worried about filling all those races wouldn’t you think those applications would all processed? Like I said the place is more crooked than ever.
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Yeh, the racing sec, officials are whacking up the money, creating other incognito capital streams outside our eyes too with the trainer, connections, you do this for me I'll do that for you. The casino hardly cares, the track is like their retarded child they get rich for taking care of it and when its bicycle crashes into a tree they buy it another, negligible cost for doing business.
Time to move on until there is zero in the pool (different laws, and no horses too), I bet 3 races this year there all in the Borgota series, won one, lost two and about $20 bucks, I'll survive. Yonkers, I'll see ya next never! ;D
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There's trying to make the races more competitve, but theres also trying levelthe field for owners.
Maybe if you draw the 6 or outside 3 times in a row, you get to draw for posts 1-3 in your next start. WE ALL know how tough racing at Yonkers is
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There's trying to make the races more competitve, but theres also trying levelthe field for owners.
Maybe if you draw the 6 or outside 3 times in a row, you get to draw for posts 1-3 in your next start. WE ALL know how tough racing at Yonkers is
Like you, and others here, I was thoughtful too, trying to seek out and suggest solutions; and here comes the winner turning for home...
As long as the fat old ladies can get their last spin or two on their favorite slut machine before they dash, the horses get out safe......let me know if Vegas opens any prop bets that the YONKERS TOILET BOWL falls into a sinkhole, I'm down on that and am expecting points.
Everything eventually must come to any end! ;D