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Title: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: getreal on May 05, 2023, 07:36:18 PM
Dexter should have his balls cutoff and sent back to the outback and fed to the crocs. Steve Smith type drive. Even worse. Thanks Dexy for such a masterful drive. Idiot fukn cocksucker. Do you have half a brain?
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: onabrake on May 05, 2023, 07:51:30 PM
Another recipient of the horseplop gofundme my $2 back. Dexter will not be contributing to the fund. Keep betting NW 1/2 races and keep watching these guys give horses an education without caring if they win or not.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: getreal on May 05, 2023, 08:04:34 PM
Youre a complete blow job douchebag who doesnt know shit about harness racing. Kepp jerking your 1 inch dong you fuckface. He stiffed the horse and anyone with half abrain that watched the race could see it.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: PIGLAND on May 05, 2023, 08:59:06 PM
i agree,that was a no try drive
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 05, 2023, 09:11:10 PM
Another recipient of the horseplop gofundme my $2 back. Dexter will not be contributing to the fund. Keep betting NW 1/2 races and keep watching these guys give horses an education without caring if they win or not.


Not the kind of race we'all bet $2 win on .40 cent horses, douche bag missed the gate too.  The avg plopper I doubt is a $2 betting millionaire, but despite it's funny, it's old too!   tmbz1
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: getreal on May 05, 2023, 09:13:45 PM
Horse in question was a $625k yearling purchase. Shows how much that oozing cockhole knows
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Brown jug on May 05, 2023, 09:19:56 PM
horse has now had 3 qualifiers this year
just happened to  make some cash in the last 2
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 05, 2023, 09:24:34 PM
horse has now had 3 qualifiers this year
just happened to  make some cash in the last 2

Good point, from the owner standpoint and what getreal tracked us on, wtf do they care either just bringing a $$$,$$$ along at their pace and fucking around - for $7250 - -, nah.  Learning something even after 40 years of this shit, of maybe when to stay away!   tmbz1
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: onabrake on May 06, 2023, 08:38:43 AM
Youre a complete blow job douchebag who doesnt know shit about harness racing. Kepp jerking your 1 inch dong you fuckface. He stiffed the horse and anyone with half abrain that watched the race could see it.


I forgot more about harness racing than a complete moron like you could ever know. This pathetic response shows it. Of course he gave the horse an education from the back, and being a high priced yearling gives them even more emphasis for drives like this early on. Do you actually think the goal is winning a shit race like this or possibly getting huge stake cash down the road by teaching the horse how to race off a helmet and finish.

It's dumb schmucks like you that fall hook, line and sinker and then scream bloody murder when the obvious takes place. The smart bettors got $ 20 for your $2 in a two horse event and you got another education from which you never learn.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: onabrake on May 06, 2023, 08:43:22 AM

Not the kind of race we'all bet $2 win on .40 cent horses, douche bag missed the gate too.  The avg plopper I doubt is a $2 betting millionaire, but despite it's funny, it's old too!   tmbz1

A perfect example of classic young trotters being raced to learn. Is it right from a parimutuel standpoint? When complete fucking idiots come  on here screaming without a clue how the game works it is hilarious. Been happening for decades with different fools crying the blues.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Here they come on May 06, 2023, 08:54:58 AM
I get dexters drive, but this is one of many things that needs to be addressed in harness racing. If you’re gonna drive to educate, then don’t put the horse in a pari mutual race. Just qualify again.The bettors have to be protected to some degree. Lots of bettors don’t know the game. This is one of the reasons we lose fans
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Kirbys Ace on May 06, 2023, 09:17:39 AM
They need to have a note in the program then, that says...."Just racing to educate!"

 73cv.2

Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: onabrake on May 06, 2023, 09:19:27 AM
I get dexters drive, but this is one of many things that needs to be addressed in harness racing. If you’re gonna drive to educate, then don’t put the horse in a pari mutual race. Just qualify again.The bettors have to be protected to some degree. Lots of bettors don’t know the game. This is one of the reasons we lose fans

It's simple... a qualifier again will never go these fractions. Another qualifier goes 29 plus 58 plus 128 plus and sprint home. Does nothing for the horse. They went race type fractions last night and got exactly what they wanted in the end. The common bettors have never been protected and never will because they are clueless. The true "bettors" cashed big in this race because they realize what is going to happen. Harness racing has no fans, it's an insiders game.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: mwins on May 06, 2023, 09:53:06 AM
Easy solution.

MORE GSY races.

Put the 250 lb guys up. They always try.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Harness Stats on May 06, 2023, 10:23:30 AM
You guys keep saying this horse was out for "education" like a newbie 2 yr old.  This horse has started in races 14 times plus idk how many qualifiers has a 54.2 mark at the Red Mile and a couple hundred thousand in earnings.  He does not need "education". 

He also does not need to try hard in nw 2 when his real year is going to be in stakes races.
He's in the race to get a bottom underneath him.  period.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 06, 2023, 11:20:09 AM
A perfect example of classic young trotters being raced to learn. Is it right from a parimutuel standpoint? When complete fucking idiots come  on here screaming without a clue how the game works it is hilarious. Been happening for decades with different fools crying the blues.

Like I said as well, what makes us laugh, and kicking a bro in the balls while he made a BOSS decision, not technically a mistake - is definitely mutually exclusive (at times)...at this moment I will get out of the way of the incoming lynch mob coming for ya. 

Good luck Bro, it will be on your proverbial gravestone, he made us laugh was often right & was "murdered" for the same! ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Brown jug on May 06, 2023, 07:14:08 PM
all good points, not sure anyone is wrong
of course  the easy answer is don't bet those types of races, fair enough
but isn't that an issue if the sport  currently is or is trying to survive based on wagering
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: getreal on May 07, 2023, 02:05:30 PM
If he wasnt going to try "again", qualify the horse. Not fair to the betting public. Say what you want
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 07, 2023, 02:11:02 PM
If he wasnt going to try "again", qualify the horse. Not fair to the betting public. Say what you want

Compared to qualifiers they almost try in live racing opposed to the former!   ngc3
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: kooter for hipin on May 07, 2023, 02:53:30 PM
They need to have a note in the program then, that says...."Just racing to educate!"

 73cv.2

ABSOLUTELY!        tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1             Great post, at least in my mind.       
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: LAW AND ORDER on May 07, 2023, 06:11:44 PM
AS A BETTOR, I AGREE WITH THE POSTER WHO SAID JUST PUT THEM IN A QUALIFER SO NOBOY GETS BURNED.  MAYBE RUN THE QUALIFIER AT NIGHT TO GIVE THE HORSE SOME EXPERIENCE UNDER THE LIGHTS AND THE FEEL OF A FEW FANS IN THE STANDS. OR MAYBE THEY CAN EVEN RUN A FEW RACES AT NIGHT WITH SMALL PURSES THAT ARE NON BETTING FOR OWNERS JUST WANTING TO EDUCATE THEIR HORSES.  BUT YOU CANT DO WHAT DEXTER DID IN THIS RACE AND ASSUME THAT BETTORS SHOULD KNOW THAT HE ISNT TRYING TO WIN.  THATS JUST NOT RIGHT IN MY BOOK.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 07, 2023, 06:23:44 PM
AS A BETTOR, I AGREE WITH THE POSTER WHO SAID JUST PUT THEM IN A QUALIFER SO NOBOY GETS BURNED.  MAYBE RUN THE QUALIFIER AT NIGHT TO GIVE THE HORSE SOME EXPERIENCE UNDER THE LIGHTS AND THE FEEL OF A FEW FANS IN THE STANDS. OR MAYBE THEY CAN EVEN RUN A FEW RACES AT NIGHT WITH SMALL PURSES THAT ARE NON BETTING FOR OWNERS JUST WANTING TO EDUCATE THEIR HORSES.  BUT YOU CANT DO WHAT DEXTER DID IN THIS RACE AND ASSUME THAT BETTORS SHOULD KNOW THAT HE ISNT TRYING TO WIN.  THATS JUST NOT RIGHT IN MY BOOK.

Bettors have a voice and a choice.  There is a lot to that including what you said, what we all said, much is in agreement, the rest going forward is our strategy.  That is it.  The end, for us, as the bettor. 

Once upon a time you wrote in small case, it's much easier on the eye, if you have issues seeing and or on a small device I get it.  If it's something you can overcome by going back to please consider.  Thank you.   tmbz1 
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: kooter for hipin on May 07, 2023, 07:53:27 PM
AS A BETTOR, I AGREE WITH THE POSTER WHO SAID JUST PUT THEM IN A QUALIFER SO NOBOY GETS BURNED.  MAYBE RUN THE QUALIFIER AT NIGHT TO GIVE THE HORSE SOME EXPERIENCE UNDER THE LIGHTS AND THE FEEL OF A FEW FANS IN THE STANDS. OR MAYBE THEY CAN EVEN RUN A FEW RACES AT NIGHT WITH SMALL PURSES THAT ARE NON BETTING FOR OWNERS JUST WANTING TO EDUCATE THEIR HORSES.  BUT YOU CANT DO WHAT DEXTER DID IN THIS RACE AND ASSUME THAT BETTORS SHOULD KNOW THAT HE ISNT TRYING TO WIN.  THATS JUST NOT RIGHT IN MY BOOK.

Well said! tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: kooter for hipin on May 07, 2023, 08:27:14 PM
AS A BETTOR, I AGREE WITH THE POSTER WHO SAID JUST PUT THEM IN A QUALIFER SO NOBOY GETS BURNED.  MAYBE RUN THE QUALIFIER AT NIGHT TO GIVE THE HORSE SOME EXPERIENCE UNDER THE LIGHTS AND THE FEEL OF A FEW FANS IN THE STANDS. OR MAYBE THEY CAN EVEN RUN A FEW RACES AT NIGHT WITH SMALL PURSES THAT ARE NON BETTING FOR OWNERS JUST WANTING TO EDUCATE THEIR HORSES.  BUT YOU CANT DO WHAT DEXTER DID IN THIS RACE AND ASSUME THAT BETTORS SHOULD KNOW THAT HE ISNT TRYING TO WIN.  THATS JUST NOT RIGHT IN MY BOOK.

This is a great post. Listen! Almost every night at BigM, you can hear that asswipe Warkentin, at the end of a race, refer to a horse that got beat as a big favorite say, "now he's got an acclimating mile under his belt". That's just another way of saying "No Go". Bye the way, as you say, do that on practice tracks, not when folks that can't afford it put their faith, funds, and trust in you. Not only that, it's a violation of Federal Statues pertaining to "trying to interfere in the outcome of a sporting event." Any horse that does not give an optimum efforts, affects the final outcome of that race.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 07, 2023, 08:36:56 PM
This is a great post. Listen! Almost every night at BigM, you can hear that asswipe Warkentin, at the end of a race, refer to a horse that got beat as a big favorite say, "now he's got an acclimating mile under his belt". That's just another way of saying "No Go". Bye the way, as you say, do that on practice tracks, not when folks that can't afford it put their faith, funds, and trust in you. Not only that, it's a violation of Federal Statues pertaining to "trying to interfere in the outcome of a sporting event." Any horse that does not give an optimum efforts, affects the final outcome of that race.

The horse just missed winning, it could hardly be proven as a conspiracy of the aforementioned, without evidence, testimony, co-conspirators.  No one herein doubted it was a bad ride, and possibly he fucked over too those that backed the horse, I pointed out he missed the gate too.  Baby pacers they (judges, regulatory, track, even bettors) give all kinds of latitude too like not going heavy with the whip, and further with those type trotters with not an aggressive shake up the bike ride.   

I keep all that shit muted, and it's not shit, every bit of info means something.  When I have tuned in and focused live and followed through I saw some unusual stuff, like possible conflicts of interest in the winners circle.

I can't do it all, none of us can, but reporting this stuff and READING is important.  If we go it alone, well ya can't you can't be watching no 1000 or so races a day worldwide alone!  tmbz1
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: shotgunner on May 07, 2023, 08:55:09 PM
The long stretch does take acclimating to, it’s a real thing. Reading way too much into it.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 07, 2023, 09:01:44 PM
The long stretch does take acclimating to, it’s a real thing. Reading way too much into it.

3 year old trotter ran 152 1/5 missed by a head despite an awful ride, came home in 26 1/5, cost $675k......they have their sights on the Hambo, not no .40, $14.5k purse....I'd say he's "acclimating" quite well (at the BigM) for what they're hoping for!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: kooter for hipin on May 07, 2023, 10:36:36 PM
The long stretch does take acclimating to, it’s a real thing. Reading way too much into it.

I am not reading anything into anything and I can accept your point. I didn't say it, Warkentin did. It was something that never should have been said because it can be read the wrong way. Don't all mile tracks have long stretches?  Warkentin is way over the top with certain drivers with music and all the other circus bullshit .  He should just call races without his personal opinion of what happened and why and leave his bubble gum music to Tommy Roe.  Arriba!
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 07, 2023, 10:46:57 PM
I am not reading anything into anything and I can accept your point. I didn't say it, Warkentin did. It was something that never should have been said because it can be read the wrong way. Don't all mile tracks have long stretches?  Warkentin is way over the top with certain drivers with music and all the other circus bullshit .  He should just call races without his personal opinion of what happened and why and leave his bubble gum music to Tommy Roe.  Arriba!

https://kenvoice.com/ <----- His email, cell and home number...GO tell him, suggested, be respectful and make thoughtful suggestions and maybe he'll follow through and thank you! 

When members here had (BigM) issues, or concerns I went straight to Jeff Gural ASAP and asked for his advisement and he immediately communicated in real time and I posted it all here!

Otherwise it's just a complaining, raging, raving thing happening here - and we're not real dudes, just pussies of which I ain't! You say he's giving us shit, well have him change the "menu".  On and on and on....!  ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: kooter for hipin on May 07, 2023, 11:00:45 PM
https://kenvoice.com/ <----- His email, cell and home number...GO tell him, suggested, be respectful and make thoughtful suggestions and maybe he'll follow through and thank you! 

When members here had (BigM) issues, or concerns I went straight to Jeff Gural ASAP and asked for his advisement and he immediately communicated in real time and I posted it all here!

Otherwise it's just a complaining, raging, raving thing happening here - and we're not real dudes, just pussies of which I ain't! You say he's giving us shit, well have him change the "menu".  On and on and on....!  ;D

Not falling for it Senator.  You better than anybody knows that no one really wins a fight but it's fun trying.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 07, 2023, 11:09:24 PM
Not falling for it Senator.  You better than anybody knows that no one really wins a fight but it's fun trying.

You have an issue, I found the most direct way for you to follow through and MAKE YOUR VOICE AND FEELINGS MATTER! Hoping you'd follow through there and advise us here!

You don't want to call him, just BITCH & COMPLAIN, got it!!!

It's now on me, you can't email the dude, hey I heard you say this? did you ever consider that, I got 20 years on ya maybe we can chat for 5 minutes, I'm a racing fan.......No just the cop-out and new blame!  

Kooter, play with the retarded kiddy pussies, when you're tired of that and ready to engage....you know what I like, INTELLIGENCE and FUN and RACING OPPORTUNITIES - or - to BANG AWAY!  ;D





Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 07, 2023, 11:43:13 PM
Not falling for it Senator.  You better than anybody knows that no one really wins a fight but it's fun trying.

Part 2:

If a 77 yo walked up and punched me, I'd ask them if they were done and go about my business.  I respect and protect vulnerable, seniors especially those that built this country.  After our tit for tat that ended, we introduced ourselves.  You saying that to me means you want to fight, or try to make it look like I want to.  For that, respectfully, go fuck yourself!  tmbz1

You start the day with telling everyone you laugh at others pain and misery, enjoy their bad beat stories.

You find the dude, MikeAnt who is so volatile I call him in humor a Hate Crime Machine here.  You tell him you miss him not winding up he's too mild.  Seeking to instigate him.

Look at your posts today bro, everyone can, you're fooling no one.

And no one wins a fight?, fights should be avoided and peace and or avoidance sought sure.  There are billions of people in history who instigated fights, and their graves don't need to say loser.  ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 08, 2023, 12:13:21 AM
Not falling for it Senator.  You better than anybody knows that no one really wins a fight but it's fun trying.

Part III

If you're not well, maybe talk to someone.  I doubt I'll make it to 77, lifestyle, desire, but you're there, if you embrace and enjoy life and something is wrong, take care of it!

Better to have fun and a tit 4 tat mixed in then poof you're gone, I told MikeAnt similar, I said better here calling me and the rest of the dudes "niggers" and "kikes", and wishing us disease and death, sex with animals, our children raped then saying it out there in world and getting murdered.  His bs on the street he'd be an odds on favorite in the hood to be chalk outlined in 0.1 seconds!  ;D   
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: bestbetter on May 08, 2023, 04:33:11 AM
Are you guys new to the game?
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: HornbyDuke on May 08, 2023, 08:15:26 AM
Lol. 2/5s of second into race everyone watching knew far and away best horse in race was doa. My thought was why isnt dd on gate, lol and then he immediately veered left. Lol. Looked like training mile to me. But given DD histiry (Frankie Dettori equivelent in standardbreds) would not surprise me if dd had a ticket on  p5. Its why when racing was more concerned about integrity of sport it was reluctant to have these huge payoff pools.

Amusing that best jockey in thoroughbreds over last 20 yrs and same but driver in standardbreds have character questions involving gambling/race fixing. Might give intelligent people a pause; not a ploptart like me though. Im in this friday with both fists. Lol ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 08, 2023, 08:56:58 AM
Are you guys new to the game?

Yes I'm very new, a babe to the game, and after my initial lucky win, all my horses & bets lose.  Throwing more and more money into bets doesn't work, It's getting worst.

Could you help me pleeeeeease bestbetter ?  You are the perfect person to ask.  Who's cock do I have to suck to buy a winner, and please teach me how!   ;D

Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 08, 2023, 09:10:07 AM
Lol. 2/5s of second into race everyone watching knew far and away best horse in race was doa. My thought was why isnt dd on gate, lol and then he immediately veered left. Lol. Looked like training mile to me. But given DD histiry (Frankie Dettori equivelent in standardbreds) would not surprise me if dd had a ticket on  p5. Its why when racing was more concerned about integrity of sport it was reluctant to have these huge payoff pools.

Amusing that best jockey in thoroughbreds over last 20 yrs and same but driver in standardbreds have character questions involving gambling/race fixing. Might give intelligent people a pause; not a ploptart like me though. Im in this friday with both fists. Lol ngc3 ngc3

At the end of last week I thought I'd finding you standing on all those losing tickets, then jumping off them and swinging from a tree...a nice win on Mage and you're rocking into his week laughing about Frankie Dettori, pick 5 conspiracies, bro, you and your 2 fists are revitalized, GREAT to SEE, and they're ready to fist fuck fight the next winners out of someones ass!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on May 08, 2023, 12:37:37 PM
The long stretch does take acclimating to, it’s a real thing. Reading way too much into it.

True. But the hardest one I've ever had to try to gauge was Woodbine. I swear it seems like it takes an hour from the turn to reach the finish. Especially in a headwind and it's 15 below. 
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on May 08, 2023, 12:52:39 PM
They are really trying to tap into the tbred gamblers by sharing national TV time with them at night. Imagine a tbred gambler dabbles into M1 and sees that Dexter drive. Win or lose, thay person is never coming back to harness. Then that person tells all his acquaintances about how stupid people much be to bet harness.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: kooter for hipin on May 08, 2023, 01:52:26 PM
You have an issue, I found the most direct way for you to follow through and MAKE YOUR VOICE AND FEELINGS MATTER! Hoping you'd follow through there and advise us here!

You don't want to call him, just BITCH & COMPLAIN, got it!!!

It's now on me, you can't email the dude, hey I heard you say this? did you ever consider that, I got 20 years on ya maybe we can chat for 5 minutes, I'm a racing fan.......No just the cop-out and new blame!  

Kooter, play with the retarded kiddy pussies, when you're tired of that and ready to engage....you know what I like, INTELLIGENCE and FUN and RACING OPPORTUNITIES - or - to BANG AWAY!  ;D

"Lend me your ear and I'll sing you a song and I will try not to sing out of key"
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 08, 2023, 02:01:24 PM
"Lend me your ear and I'll sing you a song and I will try not to sing out of key"


Nice Beatles song, thanks.....Joe Cocker's version too...he's dead unfortunately, what I do know, the very last thing he did before he died, was watch "Grumpy Old Men" from his hospital bed.  The cigarette monster got him, he's coming for me too!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: kooter for hipin on May 08, 2023, 02:38:53 PM
Nice Beatles song, thanks.....Joe Cocker's version too...he's dead unfortunately, what I do know, the very last thing he did before he died, was watch "Grumpy Old Men" from his hospital bed.  The cigarette monster got him, he's coming for me too!   ;D

Thanks for the appreciation.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: pickfourny on May 08, 2023, 02:53:22 PM
It's an old familiar tale; the pari-mutuel industry model has two distinct user groups which causes a lot of conflict between the two. In a typical retail business, something is supplied something is bought. The buyer/user, if he likes it, buys it again, if he doesn't then fuck the supplier. Both parties understand the ramifications. In the casino business (slots, roulette) the buyer/user/gambler knows the score going in. Come in here and play, you may win big, but the odds are already stacked against you before you start; Roulette, a 36:1 payment on a straight hit against natural odds that should pay 38:1. Huge casino edge; the Slots, perhaps a $0.90 return on every $1 wagered. Huge casino edge. No mystery.

Racing, different freakin business model altogether. The supplier/horseman/owner does what's best for his own interest without regard to the end user/gambler (blast him, take him back, take him around the track and let's drop money off the last 5, training trip only he needs it, stay in the NW1 2 class so let's not win, etc etc etc). If you're a horseman, owner, it makes sense. Do what's best for the horse if we have a long-term plan or trying to maximize a condition for as much money as you can.  A very old story. Has any trainer ever said to a driver, "hey we're not ready or I'd love to stay in the NW1 class, or we're training for next week's big race, but fuck it, make sure you give that poor schmuck gambler a fair shake and try to win no matter what the cost."

Conversely the user/gambler entering a gaming establishment expects a fair race each time; simply that the drivers are trying on the horses that they drive without some predesignated agenda.  That expectation is absolutely fair and deserved as the product being offered is a gambling product for use, and that the wheel simply isn't tilted before you play (discounting the 20-30% take out before you start). Sadly, it's a naive expectation.

Ultimately, it's one industry with the two distinct participant groups that have entirely different business agendas. It's not sustainable. Is it any wonder the gamblers have left?

Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: kooter for hipin on May 08, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
It's an old familiar tale; the pari-mutuel industry model has two distinct user groups which causes a lot of conflict between the two. In a typical retail business, something is supplied something is bought. The buyer/user, if he likes it, buys it again, if he doesn't then fuck the supplier. Both parties understand the ramifications. In the casino business (slots, roulette) the buyer/user/gambler knows the score going in. Come in here and play, you may win big, but the odds are already stacked against you before you start; Roulette, a 36:1 payment on a straight hit against natural odds that should pay 38:1. Huge casino edge; the Slots, perhaps a $0.90 return on every $1 wagered. Huge casino edge. No mystery.

Racing, different freakin business model altogether. The supplier/horseman/owner does what's best for his own interest without regard to the end user/gambler (blast him, take him back, take him around the track and let's drop money off the last 5, training trip only he needs it, stay in the NW1 2 class so let's not win, etc etc etc). If you're a horseman, owner, it makes sense. Do what's best for the horse if we have a long-term plan or trying to maximize a condition for as much money as you can.  A very old story. Has any trainer ever said to a driver, "hey we're not ready or I'd love to stay in the NW1 class, or we're training for next week's big race, but fuck it, make sure you give that poor schmuck gambler a fair shake and try to win no matter what the cost."

Conversely the user/gambler entering a gaming establishment expects a fair race each time; simply that the drivers are trying on the horses that they drive without some predesignated agenda.  That expectation is absolutely fair and deserved as the product being offered is a gambling product for use, and that the wheel simply isn't tilted before you play (discounting the 20-30% take out before you start). Sadly, it's a naive expectation.

Ultimately, it's one industry with the two distinct participant groups that have entirely different business agendas. It's not sustainable. Is it any wonder the gamblers have left?

No! tmbz1
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 08, 2023, 03:13:22 PM
It's an old familiar tale; the pari-mutuel industry model has two distinct user groups which causes a lot of conflict between the two. In a typical retail business, something is supplied something is bought. The buyer/user, if he likes it, buys it again, if he doesn't then fuck the supplier. Both parties understand the ramifications. In the casino business (slots, roulette) the buyer/user/gambler knows the score going in. Come in here and play, you may win big, but the odds are already stacked against you before you start; Roulette, a 36:1 payment on a straight hit against natural odds that should pay 38:1. Huge casino edge; the Slots, perhaps a $0.90 return on every $1 wagered. Huge casino edge. No mystery.

Racing, different freakin business model altogether. The supplier/horseman/owner does what's best for his own interest without regard to the end user/gambler (blast him, take him back, take him around the track and let's drop money off the last 5, training trip only he needs it, stay in the NW1 2 class so let's not win, etc etc etc). If you're a horseman, owner, it makes sense. Do what's best for the horse if we have a long-term plan or trying to maximize a condition for as much money as you can.  A very old story. Has any trainer ever said to a driver, "hey we're not ready or I'd love to stay in the NW1 class, or we're training for next week's big race, but fuck it, make sure you give that poor schmuck gambler a fair shake and try to win no matter what the cost."

Conversely the user/gambler entering a gaming establishment expects a fair race each time; simply that the drivers are trying on the horses that they drive without some predesignated agenda.  That expectation is absolutely fair and deserved as the product being offered is a gambling product for use, and that the wheel simply isn't tilted before you play (discounting the 20-30% take out before you start). Sadly, it's a naive expectation.

Ultimately, it's one industry with the two distinct participant groups that have entirely different business agendas. It's not sustainable. Is it any wonder the gamblers have left?

OM Lord, reading that was a fucking Unabomber type manifesto, that required deep focus, ibuprofen before and after.  Lay off the drugs and or get a mental health check-up please!  I'm sending you a bill!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Harness Stats on May 08, 2023, 05:56:13 PM
OM Lord, reading that was a fucking Unabomber type manifesto, that required deep focus, ibuprofen before and after.  Lay off the drugs and or get a mental health check-up please!  I'm sending you a bill!   ;D

Are you kidding me.  Mr Word Vomit couldn't read this ...

It's probably the most sane (and true) thing I've read here in months so kudos to pickfourny
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 08, 2023, 06:11:17 PM
Are you kidding me.  Mr Word Vomit couldn't read this ...

It's probably the most sane (and true) thing I've read here in months so kudos to pickfourny

For fucking with us!   ngc3

Theodore John "Unabomber" Kaczynski, mathematics professor, 167 IQ, terrorist, and took big words and a path in his manifesto like jerkoff pickfourny and played boggle with our brains - no doubt experience and intelligence but incoherent! 

That dude has mentally ill bugs crawling through in his skull!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Harness Stats on May 08, 2023, 06:17:16 PM
He said that bettors want every horse to try to win every race and that some owners and trainers (and the list is endless ) race for the long run and pick their spots, therefore there is some conflict of interest.

Its the same shit thats all over this thread .. it's what started it.

I don't see any "big words". If there's something nefarious about what he's saying please point it out.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 08, 2023, 06:24:38 PM
He said that bettors want every horse to try to win every race and that some owners and trainers (and the list is endless ) race for the long run and pick their spots, therefore there is some conflict of interest.

Its the same shit thats all over this thread .. it's what started it.

I don't see any "big words". If there's something nefarious about what he's saying please point it out.

It's not a revelation, it's common fucking sense, and for those who have none elementary logic.

"Big words" = sounding very smart in the dopiest way conceivable!

0-------0 <-----like a person of any intelligence conveying a fluent thought or shmucko the  73cv.2 ------> 0-------,-=/....:::---------------}}})))&&&)))___---0  ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on May 08, 2023, 07:14:01 PM
Dexter's drive seems fine with gural. But if dexter let's someone in a hole as a strategy to win the race, he wants dexter permanently expelled. Makes sense
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: SAW on May 13, 2023, 05:58:21 PM
Back in again tonight (Sat 5-13) 4th race from the rail............. .. looks like a slightly tougher group than last week....... but won't be coming from last tonight and should win going away, maybe 3/5????????
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Superfecta on May 13, 2023, 07:31:42 PM
Back in again tonight (Sat 5-13) 4th race from the rail............. .. looks like a slightly tougher group than last week....... but won't be coming from last tonight and should win going away, maybe 3/5????????

I used  1,4 and 5 in my pick 5 and pick 7.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 07:36:39 PM
I used  1,4 and 5 in my pick 5 and pick 7.

Good for you bro!!!!, nice start in the first leg.....great turn for the stretch here as they were alone and fine middle option in the win, VGL on the NEXT & FINAL RACE of the P5!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: SAW on May 13, 2023, 07:37:18 PM
The 4 Air Power looked very strong!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 07:38:59 PM
The 4 Air Power looked very strong!!!!!!!!!!!

 tmbz1

Dunn will get the BigM burned down with continuous light weight bs on his rides on AF...he must be under orders!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 07:40:20 PM
$1 PICK FIVE
9 / 2 / 5 / 4 W/
1    $12,697.50
2    $36,314.80
3    $1,994.30
4    $163,416.90
5    $13,767.20
6    $42,226.60
7    $397.00
8    $326,833.90
9    $54,472.30
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Superfecta on May 13, 2023, 07:46:56 PM
Good for you bro!!!!, nice start in the first leg.....great turn for the stretch here as they were alone and fine middle option in the win, VGL on the NEXT & FINAL RACE of the P5!   ;D

Thank you sir.
I have #7 Special Way.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 07:50:02 PM
Thank you sir.
I have #7 Special Way.

VGL on #7 Special Way!   tmbz1

2 mtp = 12-13 till gate swings, take a nap LOL!   73cv.2
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 08:02:18 PM
Fa Fun!!!   ngc3  Great work SUPERFECTA!!!

3 down 4 to go!!!  Keep it UP VGL, we grind a bit now!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Superfecta on May 13, 2023, 08:02:36 PM
Does Ake get fined, suspended and maybe hit with his cattle prod for letting Andy Miller tuck ?
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Superfecta on May 13, 2023, 08:03:41 PM
Fa Fun!!!   ngc3  Great work SUPERFECTA!!!

3 down 4 to go!!!  Keep it UP VGL, we grind a bit now!!!  ;D

Thank you.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Superfecta on May 13, 2023, 08:17:41 PM
Race 6    2-4
Race 7    2-5-6-7
Race 8    2
Race 9    5-7
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 08:21:34 PM
Does Ake get fined, suspended and maybe hit with his cattle prod for letting Andy Miller tuck ?

 ngc3 ngc3

In Canada everyone is everyone's tucking cousin!   73cv.2

Geff Jural what say you!  73cv.2 ...if this fucker combined the horses and purses of the BigY with whatever the fuck he has going on at the BigM you have 1 great mile track again, on their own though......a tough ride for the gambler!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 08:27:28 PM
Race 6    2-4
Race 7    2-5-6-7
Race 8    2
Race 9    5-7

It's got some $bite$ mixed in there...SUPERFECT A rolling needs a (ANOTHER) new pair of shoes!  YAHHHH!  VVVGL!

Who is the hottie with no makeup in the BigM broadcast, cute!  Whatever, give her away plus .50 cents to bring it home for ya!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 08:37:00 PM
Race 6    2-4
Race 7    2-5-6-7
Race 8    2
Race 9    5-7

Pucks writes his bets like that, when I see 2-4 (-through), I always think it means 234, we await advisement from SUPERFECTA! 
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Superfecta on May 13, 2023, 08:40:15 PM
Pucks writes his bets like that, when I see 2-4 (-through), I always think it means 234, we await advisement from SUPERFECTA!

It was 2 & 4. I was a schmuck and left the 3 off the ticket.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 08:43:29 PM
It was 2 & 4. I was a schmuck and left the 3 off the ticket.

Sorry bro, fuck!!!! 

I just saw the replay with ANNA cuntface a couple of hours ago as I was handicapping the 11th she ran with them too, I like 35/35/16/16 there, love the 3 long shot ML, 6 horse field....only the 4 combo super!

Shake it off babe!   tmbz1
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 09:31:33 PM
Race 6    2-4
Race 7    2-5-6-7
Race 8    2  Back on track!!! tmbz1
Race 9    5&7

GL BRO!   ;D

Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Superfecta on May 13, 2023, 09:50:47 PM
Race 10   2,5,6,8
Race 11   1,3,5,6
Race 12   3,5,7,9
Race 13    8
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 09:52:34 PM
SUPERFECTA winning late pix!!!
Race 8    2  Back on track!!! tmbz1
Race 9    5&7 EXACTA- LY!!!  tmbz1

7 out of 9 races so far, not shabby at all!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
Race 10   2,5,6,8
Race 11   1,3,5,6
Race 12   3,5,7,9
Race 13    8

Back on the horse, da man never got off!!! SUUUUUUPPPP!  GL Buddy!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: HornbyDuke on May 13, 2023, 10:09:15 PM
Now that was a hall of famer race call. Med 10th
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 10:09:23 PM
When your 2,6,8 jockeying for the lead and then 26 2/5 1stq come off I'm looking at the 5 seconds to last, and ya just knew the outcome! 


SUUUUUUUUPS ON, not ready heating UP!  GL!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 10:19:10 PM
Now that was a hall of famer race call. Med 10th

Again I took your advisement as this shit is all muted live on my end, true on the replay listen, very nostalgic like dem ol' days there!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 10:34:42 PM
When I knew I was dead I was pulling for the 1 for ya, long mile on the outside,

JackassPelling all ya gotta know!  6 was a stink bomb!   ;D

He's alive, Suuuuup is tepid, a lil more on the burner lol!  GL! 
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 10:57:17 PM
1/2 fractions suggested McCarthy boys were dead, pulling for them while they pulled each others dicks in the back! 

Bring the 8 piece home, not going to be fireworks prices but bring it home damn it! 10 for 12 for SUUUUP good homework "A"!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Superfecta on May 13, 2023, 10:57:41 PM
All In with the Bongiorno crime family.  ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 10:58:31 PM
All In with the Bongiorno crime family.  ;D
4  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 SURE!   ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 11:19:12 PM
HELL!
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Superfecta on May 13, 2023, 11:22:58 PM
I hope brother & sis are next on the Feds list.  ngc3 ngc3
He only uses the high octane shit on his girl friends horses.
Title: Re: Dexter Dunn Ari Ferrari
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 11:25:08 PM
I hope brother & sis are next on the Feds list.  ngc3 ngc3
He only uses the high octane shit on his girl friends horses.

Copy that, 2 1/2 deserving wretched twats! ;D
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