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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Fuguzzi on July 19, 2023, 08:52:33 PM
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Dave Magee 70,919 11,869
George Napolitano 56,074 11,780
George Brennan 69,913 11,610
Wally Hennessey 45,505 11,509 Only 45,000 drives Remarkable - career 1 out of 4
Billy Parker Jr, 59,033 11,315
Note - Dave Palone 79,260 20,460 Career 1 out 4
Bruce Ranger and Jason Bartlett are very close to 1 out of 4 career also. Both over 10,000 wins
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The 1 out of 4 drivers, two of them are pompano special. Home of fish man and juice flowing like a river. The other palone raced against P drivers most of his career.
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Is there a driver, trainer, owner, horse or anyone or anything else about the sport you actually like?
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STARTS WINS
Dave Magee 70,919 11,869
George Napolitano 56,074 11,780
George Brennan 69,913 11,610
Wally Hennessey 45,505 11,509 Only 45,000 drives Remarkable - career 1 out of 4
Billy Parker Jr, 59,033 11,315
Note - Dave Palone 79,260 20,460 Career 1 out 4
Bruce Ranger and Jason Bartlett are very close to 1 out of 4 career also. Both over 10,000 wins
I love stats
Take away the last 20+ years for Wally and Bruce, where would they be on this list? As far as Bartlett, maybe he lucked into things at Yonkers as a few name drivers failed at Yonkers with high end stock!
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Except for 10+ years when Sears and D Miller drove full time at the Meadows he still won the driving title every year...and the year the snowstorm didn't let Tetrick, and Gingras make it to Woodbine for the Breeders Crown Palone picked up drives every race and was easily the best driver there that night. No The Meadows isn't as competitive and the top 3-5 tracks but in his prime Dave drove as well as any around then...he just wasn't a cash whore chasing drives all over because his family became more important.
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Except for 10+ years when Sears and D Miller drove full time at the Meadows he still won the driving title every year...and the year the snowstorm didn't let Tetrick, and Gingras make it to Woodbine for the Breeders Crown Palone picked up drives every race and was easily the best driver there that night. No The Meadows isn't as competitive and the top 3-5 tracks but in his prime Dave drove as well as any around then...he just wasn't a cash whore chasing drives all over because his family became more important.
Give Bruce, Wally, and G Nap credit! They stayed warm for many winters, making a decent buck driving and not freezing their asses off like many others in the business!!
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How about this perspective. With Bruce and Wally driving at the same track for more than a decade, they have each managed to win 1 out of 4 career and Georgie Nap, while more "destructive" to a horse, isn't far behind at like 1 out 5.5 career
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Pretty sure Wally won all 7 NYSS events one night at Buffalo in the early 90s. Very rare feat.
Also entrusted to be the primary driver of one of the all time great Standardbreds to wear a bridle - Moni Maker
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Any “Red Man” stats ? He has to be close to that 1 out of 4 percentile.
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Any “Red Man” stats ? He has to be close to that 1 out of 4 percentile.
Carmine retired with about 7500 career wins. I cant find his lifetime number of drives but I once saw it was over 45000 so he prolly wenty 1 for 6 life time ballpark. He used to drive for us and was a real prick. Unfriendly guy.. Drivers used to say how he would hang out in the locker room after the races were over and steal gloves, socks and whips.
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Carmine retired with about 7500 career wins. I cant find his lifetime number of drives but I once saw it was over 45000 so he prolly wenty 1 for 6 life time ballpark. He used to drive for us and was a real prick. Unfriendly guy.. Drivers used to say how he would hang out in the locker room after the races were over and steal gloves, socks and whips.
That sounds like sour grapes from jealous drivers.
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I never saw "Wally World" race outside Florida, but he is a great driver. We lived down there over 30 years before retiring to Maine, and went to Pompano a couple of times a week. Wally, Kevin Wallis, Bruce Ranger, Kelly Shepperd, etc. were fixtures there. In those mid-80's through about 2000, we had a pretty decent deriving colony. My two favorite trainers there were Jake Huff and Peter Blood. I also enjoyed when Tom Harmer trained/drove there.
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Carmine, the red man, was known to be the cheapest sob that ever sat in a sulky. Believe it or not it wasn’t sour grapes.
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Carmine, the red man, was known to be the cheapest sob that ever sat in a sulky. Believe it or not it wasn’t sour grapes.
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I never saw "Wally World" race outside Florida, but he is a great driver. We lived down there over 30 years before retiring to Maine, and went to Pompano a couple of times a week. Wally, Kevin Wallis, Bruce Ranger, Kelly Shepperd, etc. were fixtures there. In those mid-80's through about 2000, we had a pretty decent deriving colony. My two favorite trainers there were Jake Huff and Peter Blood. I also enjoyed when Tom Harmer trained/drove there.
I knew Peter Blood in HE Damned good horseman!
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That sounds like sour grapes from jealous drivers.
Herve, John Chapman, George Sholty, Buddy Gilmour, Lucien Fontaine had NOTHING to be jealous about where Carmine was concerned. He was a jerk and not a horseman. On his own, Carmine couldn't train a ball to roll downhill I had a horse with Carmine - Columbia Lee 33.000 claimer and a winner but Carmine was still a jerk
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I knew Carmine very well. He was smarter than most of the other drivers with his money. That is the reason they called him cheap. He was the king and most of the other drivers went to him he didn't go to them. He was a great trainer but maybe he didn't share information with everyone and his owners. Do you know why he quit training just drove horses?
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Could very well be like comparing apples to oranges, however, Bob Farrington was the original Red Man. He was a very good driver and horseman and smart enough to hold on to 1/2 of Rambling Willie who was a very tough FFA year in and out. It basically comes down to who has the biggest air plane.
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I knew Carmine very well. He was smarter than most of the other drivers with his money. That is the reason they called him cheap. He was the king and most of the other drivers went to him he didn't go to them. He was a great trainer but maybe he didn't share information with everyone and his owners. Do you know why he quit training just drove horses?
I am sorry Remington but if you are gonna say Carmine was a great trainer you have lost all credibility with me I was in apartnership with 2 guys and we had two horses with carmine Columbia Lee and Evenings Choice His trainer at the time was Jack Tashjian listed in the program Carmine was a TERRIBLE trainer After Tashjian Bobby Siegelman took over and was essentially useless Carmine's brother Anthony was a far better trainer and horseman As far as smarter with his money he did not have the cash Lucien , Buddy, Insko, Chapman, Rejean etc had Definitely had more than Herve but thats because Filion was a degenerate gambler If you truly knew Carmine well its hard to say he was smart He spoke like an idiot
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6gOV6kZs9I
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I recall the stories of Carmine being super obnoxious and aloof . Hey, so what. With all the scandals and race fixing that went down in that era, Carmine was never in trouble. So, if you wanted a hard nosed no nonsense guy to drive your horse, ata avenue that had greatest in the country competing night after night, put the Red Nan down, if you could get him.
For all his douchebag like qualities, at 80 years +, enjoying the good life with his bride of many years. Many guys from that day are dead and died broke. So being cheap paid off.
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I recall the stories of Carmine being super obnoxious and aloof . Hey, so what. With all the scandals and race fixing that went down in that era, Carmine was never in trouble. So, if you wanted a hard nosed no nonsense guy to drive your horse, ata avenue that had greatest in the country competing night after night, put the Red Nan down, if you could get him.
For all his douchebag like qualities, at 80 years +, enjoying the good life with his bride of many years. Many guys from that day are dead and died broke. So being cheap paid off.
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All true But when Remington called Carmine a great trainer I almost gagged.
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Carmine was born in 1936 - wow
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What's amazing is i met Carmine about 10 years ago in a Wegmans on Route 9 in Manalapan New Jersey. I said "Hello" and we chatted for a few minutes. I told him i was a big fan and he was very gracious. I believe he said he lived in Colts Neck NJ.
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Nice experience for you. You shoulda been there when he went around refusing to drive horses sent out with a "shit towel" Would he have preferred no shit towel? Made money with him, still a jerk
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Hey Fuguzzi I am sorry He didn't share his betting with you. As far as cash he had more cash than the other drivers that you mention put together. He didn't flaunt it or show it that's why he had it. He told it the way it was.
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I think you could be right. The town he lives in, Colt's Neck NJ has some of the most expensive homes in the northeast. He obviously was smart with his cash!
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Hey Fuguzzi I am sorry He didn't share his betting with you. As far as cash he had more cash than the other drivers that you mention put together. He didn't flaunt it or show it that's why he had it. He told it the way it was.
[/quote I am not going to argue with you. I was there, in his barn, owned horses with Louie and Greg for several years 78 - 82 / C Abbatiello Stable Dont know who you are and what peripheral contact you had with him and I really dont care just telling you the way it was for me with him we cashed tickets especially on Evening's Choice BTW and this goes for all the drivers involved Carmines involvement in the worst betting and race fixing scandal to ever hit the sport didnt do the sport any good as far as the public perception just another nail in the coffin yeah I know they were acquitted carmine insko McNutt Popfinger Buddy Coco et al Acquitted while they were taking 30K a night out of the joint Remember Anthony had a lot of political clout and friends and that helped Carmine alot to me he was essentially that eras George Napoitano Could make em go, but no genius Btw why would you know what he did or didn't have if as you say he didnt like to show it off what made you special then One more thing, if you beleive Carmine bet his own money the way Frank Popfinger or Henri Filion did, then you are really out of touch
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Sorry everybody for all the Carmine banter - I will not comment on him after this post It was said that Carmine was a nice person and a very good trainer - I took issue with both these points ! He was not a friendly person at all - he was aloof and arrogant as far as a trainer he was awful, he WAS a superior catch driver to be sure and had an aura about him on the racetrack, but that's all. Ironically, Anthony, his brother WAS a very nice and giving person and a very good trainer ?horseman. Nuff sed. Will no longer belabor these points