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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: toothman on August 06, 2023, 05:04:22 PM
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Not for nothing, wouldn't yesterday have been a good day for him and Brett Miller to show what theyve got?
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He did a pretty good job of doing that a few weeks ago at 31-1 going for 400k at the big M! 11.wp
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Charlie May got screwed !!!!!!
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Charlie May got screwed !!!!!!
It's not over until it's over. It won't be done until it's done! tmbz1
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Charlie May got screwed !!!!!!
It’s done.
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Dan Patch?
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Tiger stated in an interview that the remainder of the season will be in Ohio and Indiana.
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Seems like a long way to go to qualify if he wasn't going to race out east.
Struggles at the top level in Ohio anymore.
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that ugly small eared fuck owner took him from carter.
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You sure he juts didn't send for Borgata?
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Cushing? That is a surprising move
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Cushing has the horse. Whatever happened with the Trazodone positive test she had?
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that ugly small eared fuck owner took him from carter.
I've spoken with Don a couple times and found him to be a very nice person. I met Carter once many years ago and personally i thought he was a blowhard. He seems to be a good trainer but his attitude didn't impress me in the least.
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Seems like a long way to go to qualify if he wasn't going to race out east.
Struggles at the top level in Ohio anymore.
Sometimes he's done better on the east coast. Scioto and Dayton have some pretty tough horses on the top end. Hasn't he made over 2 million and that's without the big Meadowlands purse which he should have gotten?
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Hey I love the horse. Just stating a fact with his reason history in Ohio. Yes , you are
right. He HAS won over $2m, and has had a great career. He did race at Plainridge last
year but they don't open for like 50 days, Maybe that Yonker's series is the answer to the
question as to why he qualified at Pocono. His owner Tiger does live in Pa. but western.
Several tracks would be closer.
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I’m sure he is out there for Borgata
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No reason to doubt it. Just strange, that if they thought it was good fit,
that he hasn't, to my knowledge, raced in it before.
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I know Don Tiger has always been the owner, but do you recall if he was listed as the "lessee" because in the chart for his qualifier he is?
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Didn't catch that. Good eye. I've followed the horse pretty much every start
of his career and never recall seeing that.
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Turns out, NOT such a good eye. If you look , it's listed like that on every horse, every race.
Says owners- lessees on them all. So 'HE'S the only owner, I would say confidently.
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Carter is sharper than Cushing. Carter can butter one up.
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I remember Carter clear back when Belcher ruled. Way back when they did afternoon
and then evening cards at Nfld. Was mainly a driver then.
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Turns out, NOT such a good eye. If you look , it's listed like that on every horse, every race.
Says owners- lessees on them all. So 'HE'S the only owner, I would say confidently.
You're right! I only looked at his chart, but after looking at the charts for all the winners it does say owners-lessees, my bad!
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I know Don Tiger has always been the owner, but do you recall if he was listed as the "lessee" because in the chart for his qualifier he is?
Tiger is the breeder. He would never sell that horse. He would put the old lady out before he put the horse out.
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Carter is sharper than Cushing. Carter can butter one up.
Apparently he like to put butter on everything...he needs a personal treadmill...
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I've spoken with Don a couple times and found him to be a very nice person. I met Carter once many years ago and personally i thought he was a blowhard. He seems to be a good trainer but his attitude didn't impress me in the least.
You might be the only person in Ohio that doesn’t like Carter. I doubt he will be as good for his new connections.
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In on the 1st at Pocono, $25k winners over. Purple Jesus listed [and Cushing] Cushing trainer. Short field six hole of six horses.
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After two no-try touring trips in feature at Pocono with Purple Jesus, he drops a
level with Cushing up and goes gate to wire in 1:49.1 at even $$. Tuning up nicely. tmbz1
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Dan Patch?
No fur patch idiot.
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In tonight[4-hole] in first division of leg one of the Borgata series. Tricky spot with that Chase H
inside of him. Not too many getting around him out of the if he's driven hard. If Purple Jesus
doesn't leave though, risks being boxed or first up. If he does leave, he easily could get stung
hard or worse yet, hung the mile. My guess is he'll maneuver into the rail 3rd and just ride it
in this first leg.
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Had his trip pegged...forced to take a seat in 3rd. Was able to sit till heading to 3/4. Never seriously
threatened Chase H, who was waiting on him. Just not the horse he once was. Held for 4th. Hope
I'm wrong and he bounces back strong. Will probably make some good $ in this series but don't see him as a threat to win it.
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Not the same horse he was 2 years ago, and unless he draws well in a softer division, will be hard pressed to make the finals.
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Never was really that good. Had a couple of flashes of potential stardom but never lived up to it.
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better call stevie back up. hope he tales him back. he has the keys.
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Ron Cushing is back driving him in the 2nd leg next Monday. He's got the 2 hole in the 9th race in a field of 2 winners from last week.
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Don't need a program to predict that he'll leave all he can, find the rail then suck
along and ride the duration. Build up points, plus he don't like the wind like he used to.
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The rail horse Verdun who won last week from far back is not fast out of the gate, so I think Cushing goes down the road like he did at Pocono because there's not alot of speed in the race.
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If he does, he'll need life insurance in the stretch with that Verdun and that Mossdale horse
from down under who is really coming on. He's probably quick enough to get around the one
but they'll be at least one and I'll predict two get around him out of the gate, especially
with Cushing on him.
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Never was really that good. Had a couple of flashes of potential stardom but never lived up to it.
???????????????? Are you talking about Charlie????? The horse has made over $2million. What would you classify as a top caliber horse?
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???????????????? Are you talking about Charlie????? The horse has made over $2million. What would you classify as a top caliber horse?
Would have 2.6 if not DQ in Meadowlands pace. We all should be as lucky as Tiger who bred this horses from nothing.
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The rail horse Verdun who won last week from far back is not fast out of the gate, so I think Cushing goes down the road like he did at Pocono because there's not alot of speed in the race.
ZERO CHANCE Cushing gets over Verdun. ZERO
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ZERO CHANCE? You sound pretty sure of yourself, are you Pat Lachance? I'd be surprised if he wasn't able to, I know he's going to try, but giving it ZERO chance of happening means you think Verdun is going to park the field, which would be a big change in tactics for such an unaggressive driver.
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i think charlie is better off the pace.
maybe cushing better call fishman to see what gets through at yonkers and what doesnt.
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ZERO CHANCE? You sound pretty sure of yourself, are you Pat Lachance? I'd be surprised if he wasn't able to, I know he's going to try, but giving it ZERO chance of happening means you think Verdun is going to park the field, which would be a big change in tactics for such an unaggressive driver.
Patrick can be aggressive as anyone, especially from the rail. At Yonkers, pace battles are rare and a high percentage of the time there is a hole for those who abort leave attempts. Plus there are quite a few horses with no speed in the race. Janelle Granny, Racing Rampage, Mossdale Ben N, etc.
Verdun has back races where he has left like a jet. (Go back and watch his replays after Lachance claimed him) This is a former claimer who has been a different horse since being claimed from Travis Alexander where he was previously owned by the Davis family of DE. They have to be sick to see the improvement in the horse.
I expect Bongiorno's horse, Typhoon Banner N, to leave the gate, though he has not been good. But he can leave really fast. Aardies Flash will try to leave with Bartlett from the far outside. But Charlie May getting over Verdun, I can't see it happening.
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I do Verdun from Dover, he was locally owned by the Mulligan and Calcutta stables, and trained by Jason Johnson, Allan Davis was his regular driver. I do expect Bongiorno's horse to try leaving, but if Verdun bangs the rail and Cushing also tries to leave, he'll be forced to take back.