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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Fuguzzi on September 06, 2023, 09:17:41 PM
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Asking my friends and other assorted experts, No, I am not being sarcastic and i do not have an answer. ( believe it or not ) I want opinions please.
Is it possible/feasible to go with a detention barn every single race, every day, every track in North America to make all racing as "clean " as possible?
Your thoughts.....
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Asking my friends and other assorted experts, No, I am not being sarcastic and i do not have an answer. ( believe it or not ) I want opinions please.
Is it possible/feasible to go with a detention barn every single race, every day, every track in North America to make all racing as "clean " as possible?
Your thoughts.....
No
People are short of help as it is
The 4 hour Lasix rule is already as dumb as could be
It has no effect by the time they put their noses on the gate
A waste of everyone’s time so the vets can stick a 20 in their pocket
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Asking my friends and other assorted experts, No, I am not being sarcastic and i do not have an answer. ( believe it or not ) I want opinions please.
Is it possible/feasible to go with a detention barn every single race, every day, every track in North America to make all racing as "clean " as possible?
Your thoughts.....
Not sure that it would exactly play out. Lasix horses already are some what detained. to the extent that some late races the horse has already lost the benefit of the Lasix. As for detaining all races it would take more than one track vet, and the turn around time for results would be unrealistic.
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Hmm some interesting perspectives already ty
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great idea have tracks open barn areas to help curb the drug abuse
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Hmm some interesting perspectives already ty
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Asking my friends and other assorted experts, No, I am not being sarcastic and i do not have an answer. ( believe it or not ) I want opinions please.
Is it possible/feasible to go with a detention barn every single race, every day, every track in North America to make all racing as "clean " as possible?
Your thoughts.....
It might work if 90% of the horses were stabled at the track, but since that doesn't exist anymore -- like already mention it would tie up help for idle hours. But your heart's in the right place.
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I am not so sure it would help. Everyone who is cheating seems to be steps ahead of testing and I am assuming that would include withdrawal time from detention.
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How about on the day of the race maybe 1/2 the card is subject to the detention barn.
This way you wont know if you are in detention. It would give you second thought's on what kind of
pre-race to give.
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No
People are short of help as it is
The 4 hour Lasix rule is already as dumb as could be
It has no effect by the time they put their noses on the gate
A waste of everyone’s time so the vets can stick a 20 in their pocket
tmbz1
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How about on the day of the race maybe 1/2 the card is subject to the detention barn.
This way you wont know if you are in detention. It would give you second thought's on what kind of
pre-race to give.
So, you ship in up to 8 hours early and learn you're NOT in the detention barn?
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How about on the day of the race maybe 1/2 the card is subject to the detention barn.
This way you wont know if you are in detention. It would give you second thought's on what kind of
pre-race to give.
yes half the horses at random i like this one alot
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So, you ship in up to 8 hours early and learn you're NOT in the detention barn?
This is true too Lotsa great responses and I am realizing it may be good intentioned but impractical
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Only way to control the drugs is monitoring the vets! The vets are one major part of the problem. How are the trainers getting this stuff? Through the vets! Weed out the crooked vets and fine the owners as well on a positive and then you'll see a difference! The owner employes the trainer so why shouldn't the owner be held responsible as well. You show me a drug using trainer and I'll show you the same dirty owners!
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Only way to control the drugs is monitoring the vets! The vets are one major part of the problem. How are the trainers getting this stuff? Through the vets! Weed out the crooked vets and fine the owners as well on a positive and then you'll see a difference! The owner employes the trainer so why shouldn't the owner be held responsible as well. You show me a drug using trainer and I'll show you the same dirty owners!
Dont even get me started...It has always pissed me off that owners and drivers get off scott free while trainers bear the brunt only. I once stood 2 feet from George Brennan and heard him tell an owner about Lou Pena, "If they ever find out what he's using, I'm all done"
What about Napolitano driving all those Oakes gassed up rockets right off the screen at Pocono. As if he doesn't know......
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The ship in and detention barns are a joke. Guard leaves let the pre racing begin.
Some of the guards walk around they have no idea a muscle shot take no time. I've actually seen a guy tube one at the Meadowlands detention barn.
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What would a same day or even a 24 hour detention barn accomplish? It would only make the real chemists more money.
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Interesting...
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Dont even get me started...It has always pissed me off that owners and drivers get off scott free while trainers bear the brunt only. I once stood 2 feet from George Brennan and heard him tell an owner about Lou Pena, "If they ever find out what he's using, I'm all done"
What about Napolitano driving all those Oakes gassed up rockets right off the screen at Pocono. As if he doesn't know......
You have to remember a lot, if not the vast majority of owners are truly unaware of what the trainer is enhancing their horse with. So really it is a trainer, vet. issue. Owners simply get the bills at the end of the month.
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IMHO!
Spend more time on pre and post race testing.
Pre race draw blood on every horse every race.
Pre race blood gas every horse every race.
Triple and/or quadruple fines and days.
Suspend horse 60 days and must requalify.
Just asking/I don't know.
If you draw blood prerace on every horse, would you still have to draw blood post race on the winner?
How many remember when going to the spit box really ment the horse's spit?
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IMHO!
Spend more time on pre and post race testing.
Pre race draw blood on every horse every race.
Pre race blood gas every horse every race.
Triple and/or quadruple fines and days.
Suspend horse 60 days and must requalify.
Just asking/I
If you draw blood prerace on every horse, would you still have to draw blood post race on the winner?
How many remember when going to the spit box really ment the horse's spit?
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Spit swabs in the tray.
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No race tracks want the expense of a retention barns so that kind of puts kink in that. I know all the racetracks say they want go clean racing, under their breath they say as long as it doesn’t cost them any money. We need to realize that once they get slots there out of the racing business, just the horsemen are in it. But I have often thought, it’s not a fool proof ideal , what it in order to race at a given track you had to have cameras that monitor every horse & that our online 24-7 & every track & racing commission , you race at has access to them around the clock. Should there be a stop in the feed the all horse scratched that are enter. I know horsemen will always try and find a way around the cameras , like most have with the testing, but one thing you can count on from horsemen is complacency over time , like at Hoosier where people still treated horse with cameras rolling. Another caveat is to offer a purse bonus, say 10% if you have cameras and give the tracks and commission 24-7 access with no stoppage of feed.
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You have to remember a lot, if not the vast majority of owners are truly unaware of what the trainer is enhancing their horse with. So really it is a trainer, vet. issue. Owners simply get the bills at the end of the month.
The vast majority of owners that use those trainers may not know the exact name of there drugs gut they know the trainers are using them
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The vast majority of owners that use those trainers may not know the exact name of there drugs gut they know the trainers are using them
Yes, and No, I think if its a breeder, with a training stable possibly yes, (Definitely in the case of an NY breeder, that used Oakes, Surick, Navarro and Servus, who will remain unnamed). But casual owners most likely not.
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Yes, and No, I think if its a breeder, with a training stable possibly yes, (Definitely in the case of an NY breeder, that used Oakes, Surick, Navarro and Servus, who will remain unnamed). But casual owners most likely not.
Look at who the owners From all the convicted trainers are employing these days. Hunter Oaks. Yea they got no clues. Lol