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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Redacidsucks on September 18, 2023, 09:55:45 PM
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The word at Hoosier is that BIG NAME Indianapolis law firm Morgan & Morgan has been retained by a Hoosier park trainer, who’s name is being protected, and has filed a lawsuit naming the Indiana Race commission, the Hoosier park stewards, Rick Moore and Joe Morris.
Apparently this trainer has filed a lawsuit against them for the call or non call? Of On Time Ted from the 12th race on Thursday the 14th when the stewards put an inquiry on On Time Ted for a pylon violation. After review the stewards said that he DID GO inside one pylon leading into the open stretch but did not gain an unfair advantage so he was upheld the winner.
This lawsuit claims that the decision they made compromised all the other times they took horses down for going inside one pylon.
Apparently this unnamed trainer produced betting tickets that would have paid him six figures of winnings from a previous race where they disqualified a horse for doing the exact same thing On Time Ted did and was left the winner.
Word is that Rick Moore and Joe Morris are Steaming mad over this and furious this trainers name is under seal by these big time attorneys.
Stay tuned on this one this guy has got some people nervous in the front office??
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Hoosier bring the B track nobody really cares.
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I call BULLSHIT on this!
For one thing Morgan and Morgan are injury lawyers and only take cases that they can get part of a judgement. I'd be very surprised they touch something like this..Post the complaint since you know all the details! Or did a lil birdie tell you this garbage?
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betting tickets that would have yielded 6 figures of winnings?? in what betting pool?? phony story
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The word at Hoosier is that BIG NAME Indianapolis law firm Morgan & Morgan has been retained by a Hoosier park trainer, who’s name is being protected, and has filed a lawsuit naming the Indiana Race commission, the Hoosier park stewards, Rick Moore and Joe Morris.
Apparently this trainer has filed a lawsuit against them for the call or non call? Of On Time Ted from the 12th race on Thursday the 14th when the stewards put an inquiry on On Time Ted for a pylon violation. After review the stewards said that he DID GO inside one pylon leading into the open stretch but did not gain an unfair advantage so he was upheld the winner.
This lawsuit claims that the decision they made compromised all the other times they took horses down for going inside one pylon.
Apparently this unnamed trainer produced betting tickets that would have paid him six figures of winnings from a previous race where they disqualified a horse for doing the exact same thing On Time Ted did and was left the winner.
Word is that Rick Moore and Joe Morris are Steaming mad over this and furious this trainers name is under seal by these big time attorneys.
Stay tuned on this one this guy has got some people nervous in the front office??
Morgan and Morgan big time attorneys LOLOLOL. They are a TV contingency "referral;" outfit.
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Regardless of all the BS what is the key element here is the total inconsistency regarding pylon infractions. I have written about this before on Plop but no one has good answer. The only good answer is a national rules and enforcement commission with one set of rules. The sport cannot continue to rule differently on the same infractions from track to track. I have no idea who this trainer is but it doesn’t matter does it? I don’t even need to watch the replays. This story repeats itself regularly all over the harness world. So either put back the unsafe wooden rail or get the rules and execution fixed once and for all.
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A decision in favor of the plaintiff would send Shockwaves throughout the pari-mutuel world! Suddenly those who thought they were untouchable would be on notice! I would not be surprised if this case came to a close with a sealed settlement! The casino companies will pay the cost in lieu of the negative connotations!
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This sounds like total bs
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"six figures of winnings from a previous race"
$100,000+ ?? From a single race ?? In harness racing with its pools??
GTFO
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The word at Hoosier is that BIG NAME Indianapolis law firm Morgan & Morgan has been retained by a Hoosier park trainer, who’s name is being protected, and has filed a lawsuit naming the Indiana Race commission, the Hoosier park stewards, Rick Moore and Joe Morris.
Apparently this trainer has filed a lawsuit against them for the call or non call? Of On Time Ted from the 12th race on Thursday the 14th when the stewards put an inquiry on On Time Ted for a pylon violation. After review the stewards said that he DID GO inside one pylon leading into the open stretch but did not gain an unfair advantage so he was upheld the winner.
This lawsuit claims that the decision they made compromised all the other times they took horses down for going inside one pylon.
Apparently this unnamed trainer produced betting tickets that would have paid him six figures of winnings from a previous race where they disqualified a horse for doing the exact same thing On Time Ted did and was left the winner.
Word is that Rick Moore and Joe Morris are Steaming mad over this and furious this trainers name is under seal by these big time attorneys.
Stay tuned on this one this guy has got some people nervous in the front office??
Have you submitted yourself for drug testing? You may also need psychotherapy. Morgan & Morgan do not do litigation of this manor. Secondly, go look up the rules and you will see that one pylon is not a violation. Two consecutive is a violation and you will be placed. Now if you only go inside one and go off course your coming down as well. At any rate it's under the discretion of the judges. Gambling is a risk and once that race is ruled official it's all over. If the winner of the KY Derby gets a positive and the 2nd place horse is 90-1, you don't get to take your tickets back to Churchill to get your 180.00! Next time put some more thought into the story. Maybe make it a driver is suing for sexual harassment or someone wants to be known as Suzy instead of Jim. Get creative and do more drugs and you can probably come up with something better than a 100K loser over a pylon violation.
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Hoosier changes the pylon rules daily. I’ve already seen very similar violations with different judges. It looks bad from the grandstand. There is no way they can give a human being this type of discretion and not make a mistake. I don’t know about the lawsuit they have coming their way, but I will say nobody seems to be able explain why the rules aren’t equally applied to everyone. Trace constantly goes inside pylons without ever being questioned. Like I said it looks bad. Make one rule and put a stop to the madness.
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There does need to be 1 hard and fast pylon rule
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Dumbest post ever
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Wasn't there something like, 3 pylons or more, you're coming down and getting 3 days - sort of unofficial "rule" around the racetracks?
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Dumbest post ever
tmbz1 tmbz1
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If this was a real story ( it is not), just look up the horse who finished second to find the mystery trainer.
Easy fix, make every other pylon out of concrete, and see how many guys go inside the pylons.
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Mind Bets like an old Plop Poster would say...
Cashing tickets bigger than the pools....
I like the ---- I have Tickets ! ! !
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Regardless of all the BS what is the key element here is the total inconsistency regarding pylon infractions. I have written about this before on Plop but no one has good answer. The only good answer is a national rules and enforcement commission with one set of rules. The sport cannot continue to rule differently on the same infractions from track to track. I have no idea who this trainer is but it doesn’t matter does it? I don’t even need to watch the replays. This story repeats itself regularly all over the harness world. So either put back the unsafe wooden rail or get the rules and execution fixed once and for all.
The total inconsistency is the make up of our country. Different laws in every state. Drinking and smoking ages are different. Weed is ok in some places and not in others. You can sexually assault an animal in some states as well.
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The total inconsistency is the make up of our country. Different laws in every state. Drinking and smoking ages are different. Weed is ok in some places and not in others. You can sexually assault an animal in some states as well.
What if said animal gives consent?
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What if said animal gives consent?
What if said animal is the aggressor ? 11.wp
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This pylon topic is al BS because the USTA and the track owners have no guts. Put the damn wooden rail back up and this conversation ends immediately. Then pray no one gets hurt.
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If this was a real story ( it is not), just look up the horse who finished second to find the mystery trainer.
Easy fix, make every other pylon out of concrete, and see how many guys go inside the pylons.
LOL I LOVE YOUR IDEA OF CONCRETE PYLONS. GUARANTEED SOME OF THOSE GOOFS AT HOOSIER WOULD STILL HIT THOSE CONCRETE BARRIERS FULL SPEED. LMAO ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 I'M GOING TO MENTION THIS TO RICK MOORE AND EMILY BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH HORSEPLOPPERS AND READ HERE EVERYDAY.
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This pylon topic is al BS because the USTA and the track owners have no guts. Put the damn wooden rail back up and this conversation ends immediately. Then pray no one gets hurt.
THEY REALLY SHOULD PUT IN A PVC PIPING TYPE OF RAIL SO IT HAS SOME GIVE TO IT TO PREVENT INJURIES.
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I think it was Cam Haughton who made this change at Yonkers. He got rid of the passing lane because every race was so predictable with it. It made the stretch runs much more competitive. Now all is needed is a pylon material that a driver will not get near without negatively affecting the safety of horse and driver. Could installing many more pylons also help?
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That was Cammie? Hmm. Never knew that. Didn't think a presiding judge had that power. I figured that would come from ownership and management. Interesting.
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Yes Fug he was hired by the track to make some changes for the better. Eliminating the passing lane surprised me how right he was. The problem is still speed and how many first and second place finishes ended the same way they began. That’s half mile racing and this has nothing to do with the pylon problem. Put up a real rail and it will take these judges out of making inconsistent decisions.
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Yes Fug he was hired by the track to make some changes for the better. Eliminating the passing lane surprised me how right he was. The problem is still speed and how many first and second place finishes ended the same way they began. That’s half mile racing and this has nothing to do with the pylon problem. Put up a real rail and it will take these judges out of making inconsistent decisions.
Gotcha. agree with your point. I always liked Cammie. All the kids for that matter. Many on here do not.
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Great article on the USTA site from March 7, 2018 regarding Cam and what he accomplished as Yonkers new Director of Racing. Just google him and Yonkers for the article to appear. I have no idea what he is up to nowadays but it would be great if you can find out. Thanks
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I thought cammie was tossed out of Yonkers for race fixing. There were a lot of horsemen racing there that hated his guts.
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Cammie Haughton?
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Cammie Haughton?
yeah and that pelligrini judge guy too. Cat Manzi hated cammie
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yeah and that pelligrini judge guy too. Cat Manzi hated cammie
Lotta people hated Cat. Both sides of the fence.
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Lotta people hated Cat. Both sides of the fence.
I guess
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Rick and me are glad that someone finally had the balls to come forward about these Hoosier stewards. Just go and look at all of the pylon violations since March and you wont be able to see any consistent calls. Rick told me himself he went inside three pylons about a month ago and wasn't even called in or questioned. Ive said it before and I'll say it again, whenever there is a pylon violation the judges all have to call RICK MOORE to see what numbers he has on his tickets. Its total bullshit and we are all fed up with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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THEY REALLY SHOULD PUT IN A PVC PIPING TYPE OF RAIL SO IT HAS SOME GIVE TO IT TO PREVENT INJURIES.
PVC Pipe as pylons!
Bet those horses legs love hitting that!
73cv.2
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PVC Pipe as pylons!
Bet those horses legs love hitting that!
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Just make a rule that is fair fir everyone like if you even touch it your disqualified. I mean this isn’t rocket science. The fans and bettors are the ones who keep getting screwed when the judges treat each case differently depending on who they bet and if they like you or not. I was always told that the judges don’t like making any calls against the black drivers for fear of being sued for discrimination. It was Jordan Ross who drove that horse last week. Think about it. Then you have a guy like old man rick Plano saying he went inside 3 pylons and wasn’t even called in.
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Just make a rule that is fair fir everyone like if you even touch it your disqualified. I mean this isn’t rocket science. The fans and bettors are the ones who keep getting screwed when the judges treat each case differently depending on who they bet and if they like you or not. I was always told that the judges don’t like making any calls against the black drivers for fear of being sued for discrimination. It was Jordan Ross who drove that horse last week. Think about it. Then you have a guy like old man rick Plano saying he went inside 3 pylons and wasn’t even called in.
Well if the judges won’t call a pylon infraction on an African American driver then it makes sense the judges won’t call an infraction on a senior citizen on Medicare like the ageless Rick Plano. I hope none of the drag queens Jeff Gural has hired to perform at the Meadowlands aren’t harness drivers. I mean they won’t get any pylon violations either. So many protected classes today!
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Well if the judges won’t call a pylon infraction on an African American driver then it makes sense the judges won’t call an infraction on a senior citizen on Medicare like the ageless Rick Plano. I hope none of the drag queens Jeff Gural has hired to perform at the Meadowlands aren’t harness drivers. I mean they won’t get any pylon violations either. So many protected classes today!
Not sure if those other classes are as protected as the blacks and don’t even know if it’s true on not. I just wish they had one rule across the board. Touch it or even brush against it and you’re disqualified. But instead we’re left to hop the judge isn’t in a bad mood because he didn’t get laid the night before and we get screwed. I have never been in favor of letting any human being decide my fate. Just post the rules and apply them fairly but it ain’t never going to happen.