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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Fuguzzi on October 10, 2023, 06:19:06 PM
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I know there are some sharp guys on here who seem to be able to get the backstretch scam, so here is my question- Has anyone heard anything from the Toscano/Young/IMS crew concerning his last race? Seemed sound and it didn't look like bleeding or tying up either. To me, he raced like a horse that was sick.
Anybody here anything?
Is Young still crowing on Facebook?
Thanks
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I’m guessing sick. That 20 degree drop in temperature from Friday to Saturday had a few off there game this weekend
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Instead of starting a new topic. I am 78 and been around Harness Racing probably longer than anyone here. I know my shit. So the, I fucked this one's wife and had dinner with that one's are probably pure nonsense. Roosevelt and Yonkers had 25 thousand in the attendance on the weekends. Only Hollywood and Sportsman could come close. The pools were giant and no one cared about purses which were taxable. It was all about betting into these wonderful pools. I was there for the start of the EXACTA, TRI and the newer Exotics, I was there for the Capital Hills Farm nonsense. Then came the start of the new era. Any of you who think that Herve went first over night after night against the best and just went bye easily are candidates for a lobotomly. If you ever watched, sitting 3rd on a 1/2 mile track is the worst. Not then, Herve would go first up like he was sitting in the pocket. His downfall was A.C. and gin rummy. Today's tracks don't have enough in attendance to start a crap game. Therefore, the owners, trainers need purse money, and an edge which are the Casinoes that are forced to subside the action, only the patrons suffer. Gambling is all about VALUE and an EDGE. I got out completely in the 80's, except for a little breeding for the fun of it. I always had an edge, I was a "Fortunate Son"..
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So Kooter what is your point? I haven’t read anything new here that hasn’t been said hundreds of times. That being said congrats making it to 78 years old and for getting out of our business before it became what it is today.
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Trying to figure out what prompted Kooters rant. LOL. I was simply asking if anyone knew if IMS was sick.
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Attention Kooter..FYI Liberty Bell handled way more than Chicago or Hollywood. Look it up.
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Attention Kooter..FYI Liberty Bell handled way more than Chicago or Hollywood. Look it up.
Not sportsman’s or Washington Park.
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I'd still like to get the scoop on IMS.
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Go watch all his races this. year. You will see he wore and open bridle. Lexington was a closed bridle. Cheaters cheat when they have a closed bridle. Oh by the way he didn't win a race last yr. with a closed bridle. Horse is completely fine health wise. He'll be back to fight another day. I don't know if he can go with Confederate but it will be good.
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"Cheaters cheat when they have a closed bridle". HUH?
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Go watch all his races this. year. You will see he wore and open bridle. Lexington was a closed bridle. Cheaters cheat when they have a closed bridle. Oh by the way he didn't win a race last yr. with a closed bridle. Horse is completely fine health wise. He'll be back to fight another day. I don't know if he can go with Confederate but it will be good.
He is NOT wearing an open bridle in the Jug final, professor. Go look.
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Not sportsman’s or Washington Park.
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He was sick , bleed and tied up.
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Instead of starting a new topic. I am 78 and been around Harness Racing probably longer than anyone here. I know my shit. So the, I fucked this one's wife and had dinner with that one's are probably pure nonsense. Roosevelt and Yonkers had 25 thousand in the attendance on the weekends. Only Hollywood and Sportsman could come close. The pools were giant and no one cared about purses which were taxable. It was all about betting into these wonderful pools. I was there for the start of the EXACTA, TRI and the newer Exotics, I was there for the Capital Hills Farm nonsense. Then came the start of the new era. Any of you who think that Herve went first over night after night against the best and just went bye easily are candidates for a lobotomly. If you ever watched, sitting 3rd on a 1/2 mile track is the worst. Not then, Herve would go first up like he was sitting in the pocket. His downfall was A.C. and gin rummy. Today's tracks don't have enough in attendance to start a crap game. Therefore, the owners, trainers need purse money, and an edge which are the Casinoes that are forced to subside the action, only the patrons suffer. Gambling is all about VALUE and an EDGE. I got out completely in the 80's, except for a little breeding for the fun of it. I always had an edge, I was a "Fortunate Son"..
HF won 15,000 races and ripped thousands more! The greatest ever. By the way, JC was never broke and starving early in his career like other HOF that I won't mention.
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So Kooter what is your point? I haven’t read anything new here that hasn’t been said hundreds of times. That being said congrats making it to 78 years old and for getting out of our business before it became what it is today.
wtf is your point to this smfh
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He is NOT wearing an open bridle in the Jug final, professor. Go look.
That was a switch between the elim and final. That race and Lexington are the two starts this yr he wore a closed bridle. I bet the closed bridle goes BYE BYE from now on.
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May well be. i know you are usually on top of things. I think in the last race he is wearing on oversized blind with a window in it. Thought I caught a glimpse of that as he swung off cover.
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What other HOF were broke and starving early in their career?
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So Kooter what is your point? I haven’t read anything new here that hasn’t been said hundreds of times. That being said congrats making it to 78 years old and for getting out of our business before it became what it is today.
Thanks for realizing my point. I think it just makes me incredibly angry to realize a sport I truly enjoyed and loved, was really only a step above Jai Alai, a sport that could in reality could be past-posted. Just another rant from a frustrated horseman heading to the end of the line. I guess I spent way too much time in the backstretch.
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Trying to figure out what prompted Kooters rant. LOL. I was simply asking if anyone knew if IMS was sick.
Sorry Fug. My rant was just something just came out and had nothing to do with your post or posts which I really enjoy! tmbz1
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HF won 15,000 races and ripped thousands more! The greatest ever. By the way, JC was never broke and starving early in his career like other HOF that I won't mention.
You are right about races won and could have won more. great point, however, where is he now?
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Sorry Fug. My rant was just something just came out and had nothing to do with your post or posts which I really enjoy! tmbz1
No apologies needed, my friend. I thought maybe the site switched 2 threads. LOLOL.. Like your stuff too, especially Frankie Pop. Hey do you remember, Popping Through?
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My post was not about splitting hairs about the handle at various tracks. It was along the lines of being offered $500.-$1,000 to stay out. If that never happened to you, then you either didn't have very good stock, or that was before your time, or you are just another Plop bull-shiter trying to impress. Of all the things I said, probably the least important was the one about handles at Liberty Bell or Brandywine. Mike, I thought you were above that.
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No apologies needed, my friend. I thought maybe the site switched 2 threads. LOLOL.. Like your stuff too, especially Frankie Pop. Hey do you remember, Popping Through?
Frank was not much or a trainer, and I don't know Popping Through. Frank was more a catch driver, Billy was more of a trainer as I remember
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Frank was not much or a trainer, and I don't know Popping Through. Frank was more a catch driver, Billy was more of a trainer as I remember
I am a bit confused. Didn't you tell me in previous posts you had horses with Frank. we talked about his skill at setting up his horses and how well he did for years gambling his own money with his own bar? I am sure it was you. Sorry if I am wrong
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My post was not about splitting hairs about the handle at various tracks. It was along the lines of being offered $500.-$1,000 to stay out. If that never happened to you, then you either didn't have very good stock, or that was before your time, or you are just another Plop bull-shiter trying to impress. Of all the things I said, probably the least important was the one about handles at Liberty Bell or Brandywine. Mike, I thought you were above that.
Actually, you may be right about Sportsmans Park. I think they did more business than Liberty Bell.
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I'd still like to get the scoop on IMS.
A couple of the pics from the jug , IMS looks ribby, gut troubles most likely
Should get the gogurt from Cassie
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Actually, you may be right about Sportsmans Park. I think they did more business than Liberty Bell.
Actually, Mike, there was also Maywood and Aurora. Aurora was nothing more than a Bull Ring and I don't think Maywood is relevant. They are both gone, I think. I sent a few to Bob Farrington at Sportsman, however, Chicago was untenable in the winter so most went to Hollywood Park to try to beat Jigglin' Jesus. A beautiful Track which is now also gone for different reasons. Sometimes I would send a few from Hollywood up to Bay Meadows for a month or too with John Salvi, who is also gone.
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Actually, Mike, there was also Maywood and Aurora. Aurora was nothing more than a Bull Ring and I don't think Maywood is relevant. They are both gone, I think. I sent a few to Bob Farrington at Sportsman, however, Chicago was untenable in the winter so most went to Hollywood Park to try to beat Jigglin' Jesus. A beautiful Track which is now also gone for different reasons. Sometimes I would send a few from Hollywood up to Bay Meadows for a month or too with John Salvi, who is also gone.
O'brien was amazing. Did you know his stepson Stan?
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Frank was not much or a trainer, and I don't know Popping Through. Frank was more a catch driver, Billy was more of a trainer as I remember
Popping Thru by Lehigh Hanover was a nice useful horse
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O'brien was amazing. Did you know his stepson Stan?
Bayless ran a tight ship and always had a meticulous barn -- every year a beautiful display right by the stable gate and the parking lot at Los Alamitos. He could train and drive one too.
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Bayless ran a tight ship and always had a meticulous barn -- every year a beautiful display right by the stable gate and the parking lot at Los Alamitos. He could train and drive one too.
I used to talk to Mike Gagliardi about his Cali days. He told me Stan was a very underated driver.
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I used to talk to Mike Gagliardi about his Cali days. He told me Stan was a very underated driver.
Gags had such talent. Too much gambling and then fucking cancer gets him so young. HOF talent.
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Gags had such talent. Too much gambling and then fucking cancer gets him so young. HOF talent.
Are you sure he is dead?
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Are you sure he is dead?
Yep he's dead. I was stabled in the same barn as Gags the first year the Meadowlands opened. Me and another guy had six horses for an absentee trainer. I would hang around after the noon feed pretending to clean equipment just to see the parade of Caddys and Lincolns pull up. I believe Gag's sister was married to a captain in one of the families. She ended up in witness protection and if memory serves me correct so did Gags -- at least that's what I was told years later. Very nice friendly guy -- let me use his big bike for a wide gaited trotter.
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He came out of witness protection before he died and walked rt into the paddock at Freehold one day. His brother n law , if you followed the trial beat a guy to death in the garage at their farm in NJ . Mike G was one of the best at getting the money and never went back on his word.
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Are you sure he is dead?
LIke the Rabbit said he came out of protection and passed away within a year from cancer. Guess he felt like his safety didnt matter once he was dying anyway. I knew nothing about the incident with his brother.
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Sorry, brother in law tmbz1
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ray guente worked for mike.......horolo gy... good times
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He came out of witness protection before he died and walked rt into the paddock at Freehold one day. His brother n law , if you followed the trial beat a guy to death in the garage at their farm in NJ . Mike G was one of the best at getting the money and never went back on his word.
Happy to see my memory still functions. After a month or two he asked me to run an occasional bet -- worked out fine. Thanks for the update Rabbit.
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I thought this was a topic about It's my show ???
I have seen a lot of Plop topics go off the rails, usually someone accusing another of living in mom's basement betting $2 and blowing a guy.......
But reading the responses, how did we get to talking about Liberty Bell Park handle ? 73cv.2
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I thought this was a topic about It's my show ???
I have seen a lot of Plop topics go off the rails, usually someone accusing another of living in mom's basement betting $2 and blowing a guy.......
But reading the responses, how did we get to talking about Liberty Bell Park handle ? 73cv.2
You just describe the Senator
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I thought this was a topic about It's my show ???
I have seen a lot of Plop topics go off the rails, usually someone accusing another of living in mom's basement betting $2 and blowing a guy.......
But reading the responses, how did we get to talking about Liberty Bell Park handle ? 73cv.2
I know, LOL i was just wondering what the deal was with IMS but we got here LOL
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This entire thread gives "derailed" a entirely new meaning!! This topic seemed cut and clear in the beginning but when the dementia patient jumped in,it went off the rails like an Amtrak crossing the river! Time for a break! 91zca.1 53zva.1 91zca.1 53zva.1
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This entire thread gives "derailed" a entirely new meaning!! This topic seemed cut and clear in the beginning but when the dementia patient jumped in,it went off the rails like an Amtrak crossing the river! Time for a break! 91zca.1 53zva.1 91zca.1 53zva.1
Like a meandering river...kinda fun to see where it leads. ;D
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I am a bit confused. Didn't you tell me in previous posts you had horses with Frank. we talked about his skill at setting up his horses and how well he did for years gambling his own money with his own bar? I am sure it was you. Sorry if I am wrong
I used Frank to drive after I met him at The John Peel Room at the Island Inn. I used my cousin and various others to train. Frank was very good at getting the money. and he also was a good gambler. I am surprised that the Moonstone Bay Affair hasn't been brought up. Well, maybe some here aren't as smart as they think. In answer to your question, no Frank never trained for me but then again, my cousin and Frank Benedetti who groomed for Frank, couldn't drive a nail into a snowbank. An interesting story is once Frank or Billy put Benetti up to drive a horse named Queens's Mohigan. Evidently the instructions were to keep the horse on the front end. Fred somehow got caught outside from the one hole and raced there the entire mile, won the race hung the entire mile, paid box cars, and of course, nobody was down.
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O'brien was amazing. Did you know his stepson Stan?
Only to say hi too. I believe he was yellow/white as was O'Brien. Not a lot of people liked Joe. He was quite stern and arrogant. He had his employees call him Mr. O'brien I was told but I raced Hollywood for two years and he was tough on the racetrack. He also time-trialed Steady Star at Lex to a 1:52 world record using prompters. My opinion was that Stan was quite mediocre and could win with the best horse.
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So Kooter what is your point? I haven’t read anything new here that hasn’t been said hundreds of times. That being said congrats making it to 78 years old and for getting out of our business before it became what it is today.
Thanks for what I consider a compliment. I just hope I can make it to 80. Its said that when your time is up, your life passes before you. Maybe that is happening to me? At any rate, these are things I remember and if they are boring, I beg forgiveness.
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Thanks for what I consider a compliment. I just hope I can make it to 80. Its said that when your time is up, your life passes before you. Maybe that is happening to me? At any rate, these are things I remember and if they are boring, I beg forgiveness.
Actually good to hear and learn this information. It may be the few shreds that keep the business interesting.
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Gaglidari's father-in-law was mob connected.
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Sammie the Bull was at Gags farm more than once.
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If I remember right Mike and his wife were both put into protective custody.
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Gaglidari's father-in-law was mob connected.
Wrong. Simone's father was not in the mob. Mike's sister was married to Tommy Ricciardi.
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I was there I just can't remember how it all went down.
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I was there I just can't remember how it all went down.
Tommy Ricciardi owned the farm in Lakewood. FBI found 14 or so dead bodies buried there.
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Tommy Ricciardi owned the farm in Lakewood. FBI found 14 or so dead bodies buried there.
Wrong
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Wrong
Read it and weep jerkoff
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/12/nyregion/body-found-and-2d-is-sought-as-convicted-mobsters-talk.html
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I remember when I first got my NYRWB license, there's that question on the application asking whether you associate with any organized crime figures. Musta been hard for Lou Gigante, Mike Gagliardi, Mike Sorrentino, Joe Guarino et al. to answer, huh?
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To be fair, it was hard for me to answer "no" also. ;D
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To be fair, it was hard for me to answer "no" also. ;D
I found that you never knew the real guys that were in the life. They kept it very hush hush. The ones that would shoot their mouth off about it were wannabees that eventually ended up in a dumpster somewhere.
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Read it and weep jerkoff
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/12/nyregion/body-found-and-2d-is-sought-as-convicted-mobsters-talk.html
Johnny Red was found but not on the farm or Shegarians farm next door. Yes they dug some holes but the body count was zero.
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Johnny Red was found but not on the farm or Shegarians farm next door. Yes they dug some holes but the body count was zero.
That just proves how little you know. The bodies were moved just days before the raid. When the FBI and the ATF showed up, the fields heading towards the golf course were all dug up. When Ricciardi turned states evidence, he admitted that there were at least 13 or 14 bodies buried there. He said he had no idea who moved them.
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Since we seem to be strolling down Mulberry street now, anyone know what Johnny Boy is up to these days? Haven't seen him drive in years
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Since we seem to be strolling down Mulberry street now, anyone know what Johnny Boy is up to these days? Haven't seen him drive in years
Funny I just asked about him last week and didn’t get anywhere.
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Hmmmm, so you know who I mean then?
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Hmmmm, so you know who I mean then?
Yes