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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Fuguzzi on October 12, 2023, 12:51:31 PM
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I say BranchDanPrince.. ..
You say.....
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I say BranchDanPrince.. ..
You say.....
i say late 70's, Skunk Oil, Herve & trainer Mike Lavalle
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BINGO He won like 10 straight and it became all the rage. Some people used to say muskrat oil. Sad that Mike Lavalee and Coco Cormier ended up humping hay and grain at YR
Good job, buddy
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Here's one for all to answer. In the 70's, An event took place at Yonkers when the fans attempted to burn down the track. I expect there to be very replies because it cannot, I believe, be googled under anything other than it's Federal Case #. Big time drivers were indicted. Yonkers was closed and the remainder of that meet shifted to Roosevelt. so, name of the horses and drivers & others involved.
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Here's one for all to answer. In the 70's, An event took place at Yonkers when the fans attempted to burn down the track. I expect there to be very replies because it cannot, I believe, be googled under anything other than it's Federal Case #. Big time drivers were indicted. Yonkers was closed and the remainder of that meet shifted to Roosevelt. so, name of the horses and drivers & others involved.
Fitzy and Speedy Pick?
Herve and Gene Abbe?
Superfecta with everybody?
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Fitzy and Speedy Pick?
Herve and Gene Abbe?
Superfecta with everybody?
Wrong, and I thought for sure YOU would get this one.
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You are right it's impossible to find. Best I can come up with is it was probably in 1971. There are you tube videos of the Yonkers 62 riot and the Roosevelt 63 riot but not of the one you are talking about.
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Here's one for all to answer. In the 70's, An event took place at Yonkers when the fans attempted to burn down the track. I expect there to be very replies because it cannot, I believe, be googled under anything other than it's Federal Case #. Big time drivers were indicted. Yonkers was closed and the remainder of that meet shifted to Roosevelt. so, name of the horses and drivers & others involved.
I knpow there was an incident very early 70s ( I started going late 74 ) that my family told me about where they threw garbage cans through the glass doors going into the clubhouse. no way I would remember a horse involved. I thought possibly Webster and Insko were involved Only know of it in long forgotten stories.
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I say BranchDanPrince.. ..
You say.....
Fuguzzi my friend,
I know you will like this because you are such a fan of Wisc fair racing.
Where was Branch Dan Prince first owned, where was he bred and raised, and where did he make his first starts?
That's right, that hot bed of racing Wisconsin.
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Fuguzzi my friend,
I know you will like this because you are such a fan of Wisc fair racing.
Where was Branch Dan Prince first owned, where was he bred and raised, and where did he make his first starts?
That's right, that hot bed of racing Wisconsin.
I'll never live that one down, will I Is there some kind of Wisconson youth harness program or something for retired racehorses? I owe them a donation. Thanks to you and Thorn and others, I am re-learning the business tmbz1 ;D
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Thanks but it's just a different side of the business. I wish I had your experiences over mine any day. I made it to the winners circle for photos, met a few bigwigs and that was enough for me. At this point I'd rather have been sitting behind one.
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You have taught me much of breeding, have great recall for names and dates and I find your experiences interesting to hear about. "Every man is my superior, in that I may learn from them"
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You have taught me much of breeding, have great recall for names and dates
Again thanks but its not recall, as I've said before my memory generally sucks and I still can't remember Leo Bauer. ngc3
We are from the same general era and location and it's easier to remember events that shaped you then all the stuff that happened in the billion years since.
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ngc3 ngc3 "Billion years" Leo Bauer - kinds short, stocky brown and yellow colors Was said to have grown eyes in the back of his head courtesy of Henri Filion
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Anybody see the interview Larry Rolla had with Larry Mazza. They didn’t go too deep so I guess you will have to read Mazzas book and there will be a movie made in Hollywood once the strikes are over.
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I knpow there was an incident very early 70s ( I started going late 74 ) that my family told me about where they threw garbage cans through the glass doors going into the clubhouse. no way I would remember a horse involved. I thought possibly Webster and Insko were involved Only know of it in long forgotten stories.
It was referred to as the Moonstone Bay Affair. Programs were rolled up and set fire and thrown in the trash cans. The FBI who always maintains a presence, shut down the track when it became a total riot. The drivers involved were police escorted from the paddock. The meet was shut down and finished at Roosevelt along with the payment of all outstanding mutuel tickets. Every outstanding exacta ticket was held until sequences were found. Mike Santa Maria cashed $26,000. in exacta tickets himself. There are close to that in tickets that are still outstanding. The race involved Charlie DeMore's horse Moonstone Bay @13-1 after a considerable bet down in the final moments and Billy Meyer with Mr. Ace @ 9/2. The Exacta came in at $42.60. Basically, the whole story can be seen at Harnesslink under"Harness driver beaten by Mob at Island Inn."
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Never cared for Mike Santa Maria one bit or his cronies who seem to contribute a lot to that terrible RR nostalgia website
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I found an article about it. It didn't mention "fire" which is why I couldn't the first time I looked. Interesting thing about the affair is that Billy Myer who was part of this one was one of 2 drivers suspended for his role in the 1962 Yonkers riot. Gamblers must really have hated him back then.
YONKERS, June 7—Several hundred fans among the 17,799 present for the $25,000 final of the Pandora Pacing Series at Yonkers Raceway tonight de layed the start of that one‐mile test for 15 minutes with a near‐riot that was quelled by the appearance of a half‐dozen city police cars from Yonkers.
Before Miss Conna Adios, the 3‐to‐10 choice, defeated Adios Corinne by three‐quar ters of a length in 2:01 and paid $2.60 for $2 to win, the customers showed and voiced their displeasure over a “low” return on an exacta in the fifth race.
That one‐mile pace was won by Moonstone Bay, a 13‐to‐1 shot, driven by Del Insko. Mr. Ace, a 9‐to‐2 shot, handled by Billy Myer, was second and the return was “only” $42.60.
With the flashing of that pay off—many apparently felt it should have been in the area of $200—some bettors tossed seven garbage cans on the track. They burned programs and newspapers, and threw other debris over the fence. One or two even jumped onto the oval.
At one stage, large groups of dissenters headed toward the paddock, where more debris was thrown, aimed at the horsemen. It was then that the po lice appeared and in a few min utes had the situation under control.
Only one arrest was re ported. Anthony Eichert of Ridgewood, Brooklyn was charged with disorderly con duct and inciting a riot.
Some of the customers con tinued to throw objects at the drivers in the seventh race. In that event, a 9‐to‐1 pacer won, a 7‐to‐2 shot was second and the exacta was $159.60. This brought more booing from the crowd.
The picture was reminiscent of the night of May 29, 1962, when a riot prevented the card from being completed.
Tonight's disorder was not as dangerous as one at Roose velt Raceway some years ago. On that occasion, the tote board was burned and glass doors were smashed by irate losers, who resented “no re fund” on a race in which five horses did not finish. The Nas sau County police, with guns drawn, eventually stopped that riot.
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Fuguzzi my friend,
I know you will like this because you are such a fan of Wisc fair racing.
Where was Branch Dan Prince first owned, where was he bred and raised, and where did he make his first starts?
That's right, that hot bed of racing Wisconsin.
NELSON WILLIS HAD HIM IN CHICAGO FOR AWHILE
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Am I the only person on Earth who remembers an incident where an alert security guard walking the barn area at Monticello on a Sunday afternoon sported a man laying prone on the hood of his truck with a rifle. The truck was parked with a clear view of the top of the stretch from the high point along the road into the backstretch. The man, once confronted surrendered peacefully and said his plan was to shoot John Gilmour as he sat in the bike. MId 70s?
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Am I the only person on Earth who remembers an incident where an alert security guard walking the barn area at Monticello on a Sunday afternoon sported a man laying prone on the hood of his truck with a rifle. The truck was parked with a clear view of the top of the stretch from the high point along the road into the backstretch. The man, once confronted surrendered peacefully and said his plan was to shoot John Gilmour as he sat in the bike. MId 70s?
He wanted to shoot Sep but it had nothing to do about racing. I heard it had something to do about his wife.
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I never heard the motive Relieved you know the story too.. I have mentioned on occasion and some people in racing looked at me like i dropped in from fucking Mars ngc3
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I never heard the motive Relieved you know the story too.. I have mentioned on occasion and some people in racing looked at me like i dropped in from fucking Mars ngc3
Sep was the man back then. He had women throwing themselves at him. I guess this guy found out his wife was one of those women.
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Throwing themselves at Sep Gilmour? Hmmm. Interesting. In looks alone, I woulda thought maybe John Desimone, but I'll take your word... John was funny. He used to sing and whistle to his horses sometimes. on;y woman I knew him to be with my whole lifetime was Vitas Yakin, but I was a "distant observer" LOL
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He wanted to shoot Sep but it had nothing to do about racing. I heard it had something to do about his wife.
I will also confirm this. Shooter was stationed on the "grassy knoll" at the head of the stretch. Rumor I heard at the time was JG was messing with the guy's wife -- which didn't come as a surprise.
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Throwing themselves at Sep Gilmour? Hmmm. Interesting. In looks alone, I woulda thought maybe John Desimone, but I'll take your word... John was funny. He used to sing and whistle to his horses sometimes. on;y woman I knew him to be with my whole lifetime was Vitas Yakin, but I was a "distant observer" LOL
Gilmour spent many nights roaming the local establishments like the strip joint down the street "Johnnies-a-go-go" He was an excellent persuader -- but they were far from Julia Roberts'.
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ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 Thanks buddy, I guess i was safely tucked in my bed by that time or still shipping home.
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I will also confirm this. Shooter was stationed on the "grassy knoll" at the head of the stretch. Rumor I heard at the time was JG was messing with the guy's wife -- which didn't come as a surprise.
Grassy knoll Good description, yeah that high ground. I can see where the guy was angry but what a crazy, desperate plan.
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It was referred to as the Moonstone Bay Affair. Programs were rolled up and set fire and thrown in the trash cans. The FBI who always maintains a presence, shut down the track when it became a total riot. The drivers involved were police escorted from the paddock. The meet was shut down and finished at Roosevelt along with the payment of all outstanding mutuel tickets. Every outstanding exacta ticket was held until sequences were found. Mike Santa Maria cashed $26,000. in exacta tickets himself. There are close to that in tickets that are still outstanding. The race involved Charlie DeMore's horse Moonstone Bay @13-1 after a considerable bet down in the final moments and Billy Meyer with Mr. Ace @ 9/2. The Exacta came in at $42.60. Basically, the whole story can be seen at Harnesslink under"Harness driver beaten by Mob at Island Inn."
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It was referred to as the Moonstone Bay Affair. Programs were rolled up and set fire and thrown in the trash cans. The FBI who always maintains a presence, shut down the track when it became a total riot. The drivers involved were police escorted from the paddock. The meet was shut down and finished at Roosevelt along with the payment of all outstanding mutuel tickets. Every outstanding exacta ticket was held until sequences were found. Mike Santa Maria cashed $26,000. in exacta tickets himself. There are close to that in tickets that are still outstanding. The race involved Charlie DeMore's horse Moonstone Bay @13-1 after a considerable bet down in the final moments and Billy Meyer with Mr. Ace @ 9/2. The Exacta came in at $42.60. Basically, the whole story can be seen at Harnesslink under"Harness driver beaten by Mob at Island Inn."
1.) Mike was from North Bellmore (where I went to high school many moons ago) and definitely was a "player" back then.
2.) Gilmour is the one who was beaten by the "Mob" at the Island Inn. Brutal!!
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1.) Mike was from North Bellmore (where I went to high school many moons ago) and definitely was a "player" back then.
2.) Gilmour is the one who was beaten by the "Mob" at the Island Inn. Brutal!!
Correct
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Yes definitely... I have a neighbor who says he grew up in the same area of Baltimore and he says that's where Nancy Pelosi hails from and that in the neighborhood, her old man and the whole family were "pure trash" His words, not mine.
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Yes definitely... I have a neighbor who says he grew up in the same area of Baltimore and he says that's where Nancy Pelosi hails from and that in the neighborhood, her old man and the whole family were "pure trash" His words, not mine.
Bellmore, Long Island...a bit greener than Baltimore ;>>)
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Remember all of that plus I can tell a lot more true stories.
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Yes definitely... I have a neighbor who says he grew up in the same area of Baltimore and he says that's where Nancy Pelosi hails from and that in the neighborhood, her old man and the whole family were "pure trash" His words, not mine.
Was Nancy a trainer or driver?
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Bellmore, Long Island...a bit greener than Baltimore ;>>)
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Nancy? Both - real POS
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Here's another trivia question from the "old" days at RR/YR: Herve had a low-to-mid level claimer that won something like 10 in-a-row and just kept on winning even after his streak was broken. NOBODY would claim the horse because... well, he was Herve! What was the name of this horse? Note: I don't think this is too hard but you never know. Only from memory please (no internet searches).
Babi
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She is pushing for her nephew, Gavin Newsom, to replace Biden on the ticket.
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Here's another trivia question from the "old" days at RR/YR: Herve had a low-to-mid level claimer that won something like 10 in-a-row and just kept on winning even after his streak was broken. NOBODY would claim the horse because... well, he was Herve! What was the name of this horse? Note: I don't think this is too hard but you never know. Only from memory please (no internet searches).
Babi
Rabbit
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Here's another trivia question from the "old" days at RR/YR: Herve had a low-to-mid level claimer that won something like 10 in-a-row and just kept on winning even after his streak was broken. NOBODY would claim the horse because... well, he was Herve! What was the name of this horse? Note: I don't think this is too hard but you never know. Only from memory please (no internet searches).
Babi
Wasnt it the horse I mentioned in a different thread? Branch Dan Prince
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Rabbit
I agree Rabbit he would lay down in the stall for two days after racing. Saw Herve let prospective claimers warm him up and then they wouldn’t claim.
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I agree Rabbit he would lay down in the stall for two days after racing. Saw Herve let prospective claimers warm him up and then they wouldn’t claim.
The story I heard (don't know if it true or not) is that Rabbit won several in a row in $8,000 claimers.
The race sec.(maybe Jimmy Lynch) wrote the next $8,000 claimer as winners of last 6 not eligible. So Herve put Rabbit in for $6,000.
The claiming prices might be wrong, but it makes for a good story.
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I agree Rabbit he would lay down in the stall for two days after racing. Saw Herve let prospective claimers warm him up and then they wouldn’t claim.
Maybe Herve had more than one of these type horses but no one has got the answer l’m looking for. A couple of hints - the horses name is one word like “Rabbit”. Also, this was circa 1974. BTW, unless you know the horses name, an internet search probably wouldn’t help. I tried!
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Maybe Herve had more than one of these type horses but no one has got the answer l’m looking for. A couple of hints - the horses name is one word like “Rabbit”. Also, this was circa 1974. BTW, unless you know the horses name, an internet search probably wouldn’t help. I tried!
Slightly before my time then. so i wouldn't know the horse you mean. A few years later Herve and Mike Lavalee had a broken down 10k claimer named Branch Dan Prince who others on here said raced midwest circuit. Anyway Herve did indeed win 10 in a row at least with him. Word was they used skunk/muskrat oil on his legs. It became a wonder ointment and suddenly everyone was using it.
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B Budget is another that fits.
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Yes definitely... I have a neighbor who says he grew up in the same area of Baltimore and he says that's where Nancy Pelosi hails from and that in the neighborhood, her old man and the whole family were "pure trash" His words, not mine.
Another MAGA Retard post. What has Nancy Pelosi have to to with harness racing?
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Fuguzzi my friend,
I know you will like this because you are such a fan of Wisc fair racing.
Where was Branch Dan Prince first owned, where was he bred and raised, and where did he make his first starts?
That's right, that hot bed of racing Wisconsin.
Clarence Buss owned several dairy and beef farms near Belmont, WI. (WI's first capital).
He named his operation Branch Farms.
His show cattle and horses all had Branch in their names.
His first standardbred horse he named Branch Guy Prince.
Branch Guy Prince won a lot of races at the mid-west fairs and Chicago.
The same time I as a teenager was going to these same mid-west fairs.
In the spring Clarence would turn Branch Guy Prince out with several mares.
Branch Dan Prince was a result of some of that pasture breeding.
From Green county WI. to the green money of RR/YR.
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Correct
Sorry about my poor eyes Oldguy You wrote Bellmore, I read Baltimore - my bad eyes.
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Another MAGA Retard post. What has Nancy Pelosi have to to with harness racing?
Nancy’s husband was beat over his head just like Dale Hiteman beat his horse. That’s about the only thing Nancy Pelosi has in common with the plop world.
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Dats sum funny stuff! ngc3 ngc3