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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Crash on October 22, 2023, 09:28:13 AM
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I don’t even know how to fix this. First off the broadcast was 1/10, barely any commentary on Saturday night and 10 second interviews after each race. For this reason, Hoosier should never be allowed to host again.
Secondly, the judges let the fan and the bettors down and need to be gone or grow a pair of nuts. From the non call on Ake Svanstedt taking our Alagna’s horse on Thursday night, to allowing 30 plus second quarters to go unpunished. Each driver on the program should be ashamed and fined $1000 for slow quarters and ruining what should have been one of the best programs this year.
Thirdly, the whole Elon thing needs assessment.. there has to be a better way. No real attempts at winning throughout the night.
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Couldnt agree more and there were other instances where the judges needed to "crack their whip". Both nights seemed like a big love fest. I saw more movement in qualifiers.
As for the broadcast, maybe it's me but I find Bob Heyden becoming insufferable. When he finds a truly compelling, interesting and relevant ( to the viewer ) piece of trivia, history or minutia, I SAY LET"S ALL HEAR IT, but every single race he is feeding us a bunch of pedigree stats and historical data that become a monotone diatribe. At one point he told us that 11 of the 88 horses that night were bred in Indiana, so what! Details are fuzzy, but during his winners circle fluff pieces he asked a major driver, can't remember if it was Yannick or Timmy, if the horse was good that night. DUUUH. The horse just fucking won. I thought his best work of the two nights was interviewing the 2 Amish guys. They came off so real and he drew them out getting them to talk.
Why cant the industry develop a legit top level TV broadcaster who we can rely upon to be at every event and put on a first rate show. Iliked the days when ESPN2 covered a lot of harness racing majors and the work of Gary Seibel.
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Elimination race night cards are always crap.
With the exception of the lesser horses going as hard as they can just to qualify, the racing is Fugazy.
As far as the slow Q2 times, 7/8 tracks have always played Q1 fast.. Q2 Slow .. Q3 Slow .. Q4 fast.
On Elim night, with no reason to try hard, it gets exaggerated.
Other than a long stretch, 7/8 racing is not very similar to a mile track.
jmvvhmfo
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Perhaps they could make a rule that if you put up a quarter slower than a certain speed, you are automatically fined and lose the right to draw posts 1-5, should you win.
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At least next week the gloves should be off
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or just don't race at that track and don't heave elims
your welcome mr campbell
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Loved when he asked Dexter if had heard of the Breeders Crown down under before coming to the US. Uh duh, no we live in huts with no electricity down here, never heard of it before.
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From the non call on Ake Svanstedt taking our Alagna’s horse on Thursday night, to allowing 30 plus second quarters to go unpunished. Each driver on the program should be ashamed and fined $1000 for slow quarters and ruining what should have been one of the best programs this year.
tmbz1
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Don't forget the horrible condition of the track playing to the hometown horses. There is a reason why all these IN breds are good in BC. Not worth a watch. Horrible racing
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Loved when he asked Dexter if had heard of the Breeders Crown down under before coming to the US. Uh duh, no we live in huts with no electricity down here, never heard of it before.
That's right. he did do that. Good pickup on your part.
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Hoosier is brutal watching live & on simulcast
The B.C should be @ Woodbine/Moh every year. At least it would look professional.
That Hoosier park is just b/c grade all around
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Breeders Crown race finals should be 12 horses not 10. Cuts down some elims and makes more exciting finals with more betting.
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Just another example of an elims night that has happened year over year where horses are "raced" the last quarter of a mile and NOBODY cares what happens, just hit the top three and don't use the horse. The sport is incapable of fixing itself and does not want to anyway, because the power players are making all the money and making all the rules. Slot welfare is the gift that just keeps giving so why should anything change.
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congrats guys i think we have this figured out for mr john campbell, hopefully he checks the site once in a while
1. it should be raced at the big m every year, that is the area most trainers are located and the configuration makes for exciting races and it is new york( ok jersey) ,
2. no elims
3. top 12 money earners go straight to the final
4. take place on two nights, friday and saturday , or race all on saturday night
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Fuck M[1] and NY + NJ 11.wp
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I try not to be negative but i have to agree hollywood heydan was horrible couldnt even watch it what a bad crew of commentators hope next week is better
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I try not to be negative but i have to agree hollywood heydan was horrible couldnt even watch it what a bad crew of commentators hope next week is better
Agreed. The interviews were painful to watch. I sincerely hope they bring in someone else for next week.
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Fuck M[1] and NY + NJ 11.wp
Well if you don’t like NY, NJ and it seems Indiana isn’t the answer, where do you suggest the BC should be held?
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Well obviously Mohawk, which has been mentioned..The only other real alternative would be Red Mile..Satisfies the apparent desire for Large track..They seem to be throwing $$ Around pretty freely in Ky...You guys' apparent buddy Gural wouldn't want to"LOSE MORE MONEY." Throw him + Settlemoir [They remind of Mr. Burns and Smithers on Simpsons] in with NY , NJ.
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Perhaps they could make a rule that if you put up a quarter slower than a certain speed, you are automatically fined and lose the right to draw posts 1-5, should you win.
Wouldn't work because it would take too long to explain what "RATING" is, and how it can be beneficial for a horse regardless of placement in a race! 11.wp 11.wp ngc3 ngc3
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The Red Mile has 2 weeks of grand circuit. It does not need the BC
Meadowlands every year..the problem is no one wants to spend to promote it as an event
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yes mohawk is an option , facilities are good including the dining and grandstand,
yes red mile is possible , but seating is limited for this time of year, almost all outdoor
but it needs to be at big m 75% of the time
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yes mohawk is an option , facilities are good including the dining and grandstand,
yes red mile is possible , but seating is limited for this time of year, almost all outdoor
but it needs to be at big m 75% of the time
Other than Rain, it wasnt bad years back at Pocono
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2013 Foiled Again in the mist and slop - a lifetime memory.
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1.49.2 sloppy 5/8ths and the voice of Sam McKee - Harness racing at it's finest tmbz1
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Well if you don’t like NY, NJ and it seems Indiana isn’t the answer, where do you suggest the BC should be held?
Vernon!!
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Just listen to this bunch cry about everything nothing could make them happy I just watch and enjoy and laugh at you jerks crying.
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That works for you and that's fine Owl. I have noticed that you seem to like everything and everyone and everywhere at all times and that is ultimately insincere and disingenuous.
Racing is built on competition obviously and is a product designed to be sold to the public. The industry has destroyed itself from within, desperately suffering from an image problem that it either doesn't know how to fix or doesn't care to and there is nothing wrong with people ranging from gamblers to horseman calling it out for what it is on this forum.
If you can honestly say you enjoyed the spectacle racing just put on then you are either a shut in albatross who is grateful to be alive and see anything, or you are a dyed in the wool contrarian, or you don't know what real harness racing is. I doubt the last is true and I highly suspect a big part of the first two is definitely true.
Lastly, I and many on here, are not "jerks"
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I call what you jerks say been around in racing over 50 years own horses and Hollywood and I will know more then you crying jerks on here racing is racing no matter how it is done.
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Vernon!!
Did they smooth out the bump on that straightaway starting point at that track. They used to call it the miracle mile at Vernon Downs once I believe. It is a miracle that the place is still open.
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Agreed. The interviews were painful to watch. I sincerely hope they bring in someone else for next week.
Was Wendy there ? At least if the interviews are bad, she can tell us how great she is.
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Hoosier is brutal watching live & on simulcast
The B.C should be @ Woodbine/Moh every year. At least it would look professional.
That Hoosier park is just b/c grade all around
Hoosier will always be a B-C track with horrible drivers colony. I mean none of these guys including Trace would get two or three drives a night at a real track. Horrible management and rules and even top drivers like yannick and McNair were saying they hope to never drive there again for any stake races period. Just let the top 3-4 trainers race against themselves and watch delong and trace give each other blow jobs and take turns being the bottom bitch.
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Very casual observer here, Trace does not impress me, but John Delong seems pretty good. Don't know anything about him. Is there a back story?
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Very casual observer here, Trace does not impress me, but John Delong seems pretty good. Don't know anything about him. Is there a back story?
John is a 3rd generation horseman from Wisconsin. His dad and uncle have had some nice Midwest stake horses the last 15-20 years
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Gotcha TY!
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John is a 3rd generation horseman from Wisconsin. His dad and uncle have had some nice Midwest stake horses the last 15-20 years
JOHN DOESNT KNOW THE FRONT OF A HORSE FROM THE BACK. ITS ALL ROGER WELCH AND THE EPO. YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN DELONG LEAVES HOOSIER AND TRIES TO DRIVE AGAINST THE PROS. TRACE AND DELONG WILL BE SHIT OUT OF LUCK IF HOOSIER EVER CLOSED DOWN OR A FEW TOP DRIVERS GO THERE TO DRIVE EVERY NIGHT. WHEN BRANDON BATES STARTED PARKING THOSE TWO CLOWNS THEY COMPLAINED TO MANAGEMENT AND THEY FOUND A REASON TO GET BATES OUT OF THERE. ANY YOUNG DRIVER WHO SHOWS UP AT HOOSIER IS ALWAYS TOLD TO GO TO ANOTHER TRACK BY TRACE AND DELONG. JORDAN ROSS AND RICKY MACOMBER KISS THERE ASSES SO THEY LEAVE THEM ALONE.
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JOHN DOESNT KNOW THE FRONT OF A HORSE FROM THE BACK. ITS ALL ROGER WELCH AND THE EPO. YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN DELONG LEAVES HOOSIER AND TRIES TO DRIVE AGAINST THE PROS. TRACE AND DELONG WILL BE SHIT OUT OF LUCK IF HOOSIER EVER CLOSED DOWN OR A FEW TOP DRIVERS GO THERE TO DRIVE EVERY NIGHT. WHEN BRANDON BATES STARTED PARKING THOSE TWO CLOWNS THEY COMPLAINED TO MANAGEMENT AND THEY FOUND A REASON TO GET BATES OUT OF THERE. ANY YOUNG DRIVER WHO SHOWS UP AT HOOSIER IS ALWAYS TOLD TO GO TO ANOTHER TRACK BY TRACE AND DELONG. JORDAN ROSS AND RICKY MACOMBER KISS THERE ASSES SO THEY LEAVE THEM ALONE.
Your a FUCKIN IDIOT
DO U KNOW HOW MUCH THE DELONGS ARE WORTH
MILLIONS
His UNCLE IS PROB a billionaire. And
THE RICHEST GUY IN HARNESS RACING
ANYWHERE
HE FEEDS CHINA CAMBODIA AND THE REST OF YHE FAR EAST
PLS FOLD your HANDS DONT TYPE ANY MORE
THAN PEOPLE WONT KNOW HOW STUPID U REALLY ARE
DELONGS RACE AS A HOBBY
ALL OF THEM
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Well, I guess I now have been told the back story ty Still seems like a decent horseman from the handful of nights I have watched him.
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Well, I guess I now have been told the back story ty Still seems like a decent horseman from the handful of nights I have watched him.
Google The De Long Company, Clinton, WI.
As lucpark posted they ship grain all over the world.
I have driven in races with 10 different De Longs including John's aunt.
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Will do... So which ones drove the best?
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Will do... So which ones drove the best?
LOL Aunt Sally!
The whole family are/where good people!
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Knew you were gonna say that ngc3
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LOL Aunt Sally!
The whole family are/where good people!
Good old Sally and Tom (RIP). This idiot has no clue. John won his fair share on the Iowa/Illinois fair circuit to get respect when he moved to Hoosier. Bates been trying to be a driver for 20+ years. Always someone else’s fault he sucks. No going to try to threaten other drivers then cry when he gets thrown out. Is Bates #1 driver at Hawthorne??? I doubt it
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Your a FUCKIN IDIOT
DO U KNOW HOW MUCH THE DELONGS ARE WORTH
MILLIONS
His UNCLE IS PROB a billionaire. And
THE RICHEST GUY IN HARNESS RACING
ANYWHERE
HE FEEDS CHINA CAMBODIA AND THE REST OF YHE FAR EAST
PLS FOLD your HANDS DONT TYPE ANY MORE
THAN PEOPLE WONT KNOW HOW STUPID U REALLY ARE
DELONGS RACE AS A HOBBY
ALL OF THEM
Obviously you don't know the DeLong as well. There money is in shipping containers in which that business was added by Bo. Domestically they have grain elevators in many states but they aren't feeding those countries they are storing that grain and collecting on storage and interest. Sell cars something that doesn't take much brain power. As far as the money part you are correct about.
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Hey horses, If you sell cars are less of an idiot. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 He should write a book, " I KNOW IT ALL, JUST ASK".
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Hey horses, If you sell cars are less of an idiot. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 He should write a book, " I KNOW IT ALL, JUST ASK".
the forum drunk
woke up from his daily STUPOR tmbz1
GLENN HOUSEHOLDER
YOU REALLY HAVE TO GETA LIFE
IM SORRY YOU CANT BUY HORSES
BUT
STALKING ME ON EVERYTHING
GET A LIFE ,,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
EVERY POST I MAKE FOLLOWED EITHER BY
PIGEON JIM ,,OR GLEN THE DRUNK
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
STALK AWAY ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
ps 5 more horses at the hoosiersale and 1 pa bred filly from lexington sale given to brian b..u can call him if u wanna verify plus 16 horses this year some i sold last week few more selling this weekend i dont keep nothin after 3 yrs old ,,NOT BAD FOR GUY SELLING CARS how BOUT IT GLENN ,,
just cheer from the sidelines ,,,you always got the answers ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
killing u how i can do what u cant do ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
22 yrs of racing
...glenn how bout u sideline reporter,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Why race all the Crowns at the end of the card when the temp. dips and the wind picks up? I understand that they want people to stay for the entire card,but the other races are not n/w's and 10 claimers!
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Don't forget to buy a ticket if you plan on sitting down during your trip to the Crown! $38 to $108 depending on your viewing preferences, before Ticket master fees!
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the forum drunk
woke up from his daily STUPOR tmbz1
GLENN HOUSEHOLDER
YOU REALLY HAVE TO GETA LIFE
IM SORRY YOU CANT BUY HORSES
BUT
STALKING ME ON EVERYTHING
GET A LIFE ,,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
EVERY POST I MAKE FOLLOWED EITHER BY
PIGEON JIM ,,OR GLEN THE DRUNK
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
STALK AWAY ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
ps 5 more horses at the hoosiersale and 1 pa bred filly from lexington sale given to brian b..u can call him if u wanna verify plus 16 horses this year some i sold last week few more selling this weekend i dont keep nothin after 3 yrs old ,,NOT BAD FOR GUY SELLING CARS how BOUT IT GLENN ,,
just cheer from the sidelines ,,,you always got the answers ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
killing u how i can do what u cant do ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
22 yrs of racing
...glenn how bout u sideline reporter,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
No just calling out your typical bullshit like you know anything. Who cares what you bought you keep putting down others like this Glen guy. If he had your inheritance to waste he maybe better at picking yearlings. Losing those millions the last 22 years is fine for you others have family you can just take what Erv doesn't suck out and leave some for the state of IL. Erv loves those inheritance owners...free money
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The Little M I mean Freehold North the Meadowlands SHOULD NEVER get the Breeders Crown again NEVER tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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No just calling out your typical bullshit like you know anything. Who cares what you bought you keep putting down others like this Glen guy. If he had your inheritance to waste he maybe better at picking yearlings. Losing those millions the last 22 years is fine for you others have family you can just take what Erv doesn't suck out and leave some for the state of IL. Erv loves those inheritance owners...free money
Jim bafia
PIGEON JIM
YOU CARE.
YOU ONLY COMMENT ABOUT my HORSES.
When they do bad or
MYSELF
OR ERV MILLER THREADS
ITS OK PIGEON JIM
WE UNDERSTAND You care ngc3 ngc3
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Jim bafia
PIGEON JIM
YOU CARE.
YOU ONLY COMMENT ABOUT my HORSES
MYSELF
OR ERV MILLER THREADS
ITS OK PIGEON JIM
WE UNDERSTAND You care ngc3 ngc3
horses first/Pigeon Jim should just stay silent.
His last horse to race was his highly touted homebred buzzsaw colt Photo Image.
$30,000 to get to the races
$40,000 2 yo training biills
$40,000 3 yo training bills
$40,000 stakes payments
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$150,000 total cost/expenses
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Lifetime earnings .... $9,000
Last race ... Beat 20 lengths as he took his last painful stride at Paducah, KY Fair for a $3,000 purse.
Pigeon Jim aka Horses First ... has never answered the question of what happened to this homebred.
It's a fair question ...
YOOOHOOOOOooo ... calling Pigeon Jim...
He'll never respond.
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Calhoun math Rocco Ruffalo horses must have lost 5mln in training, vet, staking, entry fees, and other expenses. Must be nice to blow a inheritance with nothing in return.
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Lol some internet nobody with a big mouth of nothing telling someone to say silent. The nerve of some POS
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Calhoun math Rocco Ruffalo horses must have lost 5mln in training, vet, staking, entry fees, and other expenses. Must be nice to blow a inheritance with nothing in return.
Why won't you answer what happened to Photo Image?
lol Pidge.
You lost $1/6 of a million dollars on Photo Image and you're too big a drip to admit it.
Please fuck off.
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Hey calhound
Why is
PIDGE always counting my money and loses
?
HE CLAIMS TO BE WELL OFF
I JUST SELL CARS ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Hey calhound
Why is
PIDGE always counting my money and loses
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HE CLAIMS TO BE WELL OFF
I JUST SELL CARS ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
And doing very well at it to pay for your horses and girlfriend too!!