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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Kirbys Ace on November 17, 2023, 10:51:49 PM
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Constantly seeing fines for excess whipping. Some with multiple fines and violations and since they're making no head way with the whipping infractions imposed.
My question is: Do drivers really need to carry a whip? The industry is under a microscope right now with all the druggers being exposed wouldn't it be a good idea as to just ban the whip? I see where Ceba Horsey has gotten another whipping fine. When is enough just enough? I know gamblers like seeing the driver carving away in a tight finish, but with today's perception with animal cruelty why not just ban whips?
Just my opinion. Thoughts?
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Top drivers don't need a whip. I just watched a race from Cal Expo and it looke3d to me like the drivers were not carrying whips.
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Constantly seeing fines for excess whipping. Some with multiple fines and violations and since they're making no head way with the whipping infractions imposed.
My question is: Do drivers really need to carry a whip? The industry is under a microscope right now with all the druggers being exposed wouldn't it be a good idea as to just ban the whip? I see where Ceba Horsey has gotten another whipping fine. When is enough just enough? I know gamblers like seeing the driver carving away in a tight finish, but with today's perception with animal cruelty why not just ban whips?
Just my opinion. Thoughts?
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Go watch some replays when Stanley Dancer drove many years ago and compare this to the 'slashers' of today?
Would they fine/suspend perhaps permanently ban Dancer today (regardless of him being in the HOF)?
There are ways to use a whip without being abusive. The sad part about this the 'hackers'/"slashers" don't want to learn how to drive!
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Constantly seeing fines for excess whipping. Some with multiple fines and violations and since they're making no head way with the whipping infractions imposed.
My question is: Do drivers really need to carry a whip? The industry is under a microscope right now with all the druggers being exposed wouldn't it be a good idea as to just ban the whip? I see where Ceba Horsey has gotten another whipping fine. When is enough just enough? I know gamblers like seeing the driver carving away in a tight finish, but with today's perception with animal cruelty why not just ban whips?
Just my opinion. Thoughts?
11.wp
Absolutely no need for a whip. Several countries race without one. Also, the fine and suspension list every week is embarrassing. Maybe they can make a rule that if you are caught using the whip excessively, you can't drive for 30 days with one. The program can have a NW next to drivers name designating "no whip".
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Whips are a part of the game. Excessively beating on one should be fined. Just my 2 cents
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People do NOT want to see horses being hit. Get rid of them.
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Once more, people want a simple answer for a problem that is really quite complex. Years ago, no trainer would be caught on the track without a whip. Now not so much. The last horse I trained, I carried a whip the first few times and never carried one after because I sensed that she resented it. The mare is now racing with over a hundred thousand on her card and if the driver wants to stiff her, he merely has to hit her once. All horses are different....trit e but true. There are some top horses racing today that you may not have ever heard of if the driver couldn't use a whip. Years ago, if a driver brought a horse back to the paddock without a few marks, the trainer thought that he hadn't tried to win and if the driver wasn't carving on one in the homestretch the gamblers thought he had money on the race. Years ago, Fern Paquet got days for whipping a horse 58 times from start to finish and the horse had the marks to prove it.
The judges counted by replaying the race in slow motion. Don't forget that whips have other uses than
merely tools of abuse. Maybe the drivers should each be given a "hot shot" instead of a whip. It wouldn't be as obvious as a whip and everyone could sleep well at night. (lol)
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Whips should be things of the past. Horses are trained to go fast on their own. Horses are stressed enough in a race.
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Forty years ago, I counted Pocono Downs driver Jack Spino hitting a horse twenty-nine times through the stretch to get him home first. It was like a Gatling Gun. I was really impressed...then. Now, I'd probably fine him and give him days myself.
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There are some top horses racing today that you may not have ever heard of if the driver couldn't use a whip.
I don't believe the above is true. I come from the whip happy era and I myself thrashed away with enthusiasm. Now I'm a non-driver and never ever carry a whip and I strongly believe that a whip is not in my best economic interest. Pretty much if you give a horse the tools, they will move forward with vigor. If they are under trained or over classified they can't do it.
Still, the whip can be a useful aid if used as an aid and not as some sort of absurd punishment. Dexter Dunn and James MacDonald are useful examples. But tracks have a pile of morons who unlikely to show restraint.
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Should stick with kicking only
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Mike LaChance woud let one have it good once, then he would just make sure they saw it after that. They got the message the first time usually. ;D
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Didn't Yannick have to beat the hell out of TDS to get him to go now and then?
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I swear Case in his prime has a zapper in his boot!
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Billy Haughton drove Handle With Care without a whip. She ended up being one of the greatest race mares ever.
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Didn't Yannick have to beat the hell out of TDS to get him to go now and then?
Most every race. Whats a $200 - $300 fine when you win a $300,000 + race ? Probably the owner paid the fines.
Up the fines & give them days. See Bartlett got 10 days….
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Top drivers don't need a whip. I just watched a race from Cal Expo and it looke3d to me like the drivers were not carrying whips.
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You had better watch the races a little closer.
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Didn't Yannick have to beat the hell out of TDS to get him to go now and then?
Yannick is a Slasher! He has no ability to make speed without a whip. If this sport were to ban the whips, The Green Gouger would have an average of about. 245! 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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Mike LaChance woud let one have it good once, then he would just make sure they saw it after that. They got the message the first time usually. ;D
Only a non horseman yahoo from Ohio would say Lachance only hit a horse once. He was known as one of the most brutal whippers to ever sit behind one. Stick to bad exacta payouts at Dayton, you loser.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e4xcYx7kzU
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You can look up examples of most any driver. Yes he did his share of pounding, 'BUT' you might notice, I said they 'USUALLY' got the hint the first time. Other times, he had to resort to further reminders.
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You can look up examples of most any driver. Yes he did his share of pounding, 'BUT' you might notice, I said they 'USUALLY' got the hint the first time. Other times, he had to resort to further reminders.
Oh, you're one of those guys that can never admit when they are wrong. I would say something like how does your wife tolerate your knowitall demeanor but I am sure you are either a faggot or your wife is buried in the backyard somewhere. YAHOO!!!!!
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Don't embarrass yourself Junior by disparaging one the indisputable All Time Greats any further.
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Don't embarrass yourself Junior by disparaging one the indisputable All Time Greats any further.
The only one I am disparaging is you, shit for brains.
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You a little grumpy from being out too late?. You must have been out with all those Top Drivers from M[1]...They sure weren't there...MECCA ngc3 ngc3
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You a little grumpy from being out too late?. You must have been out with all those Top Drivers from M[1]...They sure weren't there...MECCA ngc3 ngc3
Yeah, those top drivers attracted a handle of 2.9 million last night. The WHOLE state of Ohio won't handle that much this weekend.
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Whoopee ,you and your handle... Your 'SAVIOR' will cry he's still losin $$..Like digging thru a barrel of rutabagas , looking for the best one. Best of 'WHAT'? Call them all 'B' tracks...M[1] Nothing special anymore.
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Whoopee ,you and your handle... Your 'SAVIOR' will cry he's still losin $$..Like digging thru a barrel of rutabagas , looking for the best one. Best of 'WHAT'? Call them all 'B' tracks...M[1] Nothing special anymore.
Don’t waste your time on that idiot. He will always call you names when he is wrong
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Billy Haughton drove Handle With Care without a whip. She ended up being one of the greatest race mares ever.
I believe a book on the Haughton’s tells the story why this occurred!! I believe Peter Haughton drive her once and used the whip. She deeply resented this and came to a ‘dead stop’ on the track during an actual race. Peter told his dad about this and dad said don’t do it again.
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Whoopee ,you and your handle... Your 'SAVIOR' will cry he's still losin $$..Like digging thru a barrel of rutabagas , looking for the best one. Best of 'WHAT'? Call them all 'B' tracks...M[1] Nothing special anymore.
He is losing money dick breath. He doesn't have the luxury like Ohio tracks do of wagering zero and their purses go up. That doesn't surprise me since Ohio is the 7th highest welfare state in the USA. Choke on that bitter truth ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Don’t waste your time on that idiot. He will always call you names when he is wrong
I don't give a fuck what some toothless canuck like you thinks about me.
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I believe a book on the Haughton’s tells the story why this occurred!! I believe Peter Haughton drive her once and used the whip. She deeply resented this and came to a ‘dead stop’ on the track during an actual race. Peter told his dad about this and dad said don’t do it again.
Thanks for info. She was a gorilla. tmbz1
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Personally I like a good whip now and again. My dominatrix really knows how to tune me up.
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I do think drivers should carry a whip. They are useful. More as a stronger steering mechanism, and quick reminder that it's time to go.
Any decent racehorse does not need a whip to know wtf to do. The incompetent gambler thinks if someone isn't slashing a horse, the driver isn't trying. Anyone who has ever been around a horse knows that there are some good horses that are a hair lazy, but most good horses will give you all they have with minimal urging. And the other good horse who need a bit of urging need exactly that - a *bit* of urging. No racehorses are noticeably improved for any length of time by excessive whipping.