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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Gaagoots on November 27, 2023, 11:08:26 AM
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I've always enjoyed studying nutrition and have applied some of the techniques to my horses and I’ve had pretty good success especially with two and three-year-olds that have not been contaminated with drugs from other trainers.
Example: Oats/oatmeal is loaded with Melatonin and the amino acid Tryptophan that makes one sleepy/tired so it never made any sense to me feeding my horses oats before a race or a workout/training.
I always fed them oats with sweet feed for lunch/dinner or after a race.
The problem with oats/oatmeal, melatonin, tryptophan on a regular basis is that it can artificially alter your natural circadian rhythm after several weeks or months which is not exactly on a 24 hour cycle for most. Circadian rhythms doesn't just affect sleep cycles it also affects hormone secretions along with other bodily functions.
My horses breakfast would include buckwheat/Kasha, corn and steamed crimped barley.
I'm interested what you guys feed your horses?
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Why not help mom out and mix in to use up some of her leftovers?..mmm meatloaf
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Why not help mom out and mix in to use up some of her leftovers?..mmm meatloaf
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interesting and well thought out not sure it fits in with horse plop lol. your take on tryptophyn might it be helpful on high strung horses who need calmed down a little
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interesting and well thought out not sure it fits in with horse plop lol. your take on tryptophyn might it be helpful on high strung horses who need calmed down a little
Thanks. That's a good point! The reverse might work on a hot horse never thought of that.
I didn't think this topic would appeal to most on horse plop, most of these dummies are clueless but then again you get sharp guys like yourself that contribute.
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Do you get a "friends and family" rate on EPO ?
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Do you get a "friends and family" rate on EPO ?
Excellent point...I'm picturing all these cheating fucks lined up like heroin addicts at the methadone clinic! ngc3 ngc3
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Do you get a "friends and family" rate on EPO ?
What does EPO have to do with this topic?
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What does EPO have to do with this topic?
Mazola upset you didn’t mention Mazola oil as part of the regimen.
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Mazola upset you didn’t mention Mazola oil as part of the regimen.
Ha! Actually corn oil is a huge staple of my horses diet I just don’t feed the garbage like Mazola oil lol.
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All depends on what the guys stabled around me are feeding! ngc3 ngc3(JK)
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Do you get a "friends and family" rate on EPO ?
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What does EPO have to do with this topic?
THATS WHAT 85% OF THESE TRAINERS TODAY FEED THEIR HORSES. WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF THERE IS BETTER EPO OUT OF AUSTRAILIA AND CANADA THEN THERE IS IN THE US OR IS IT ALL THE SAME. GOTTA HAVE EPO TODAY OR YOU GOTTA GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS
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THATS WHAT 85% OF THESE TRAINERS TODAY FEED THEIR HORSES. WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF THERE IS BETTER EPO OUT OF AUSTRAILIA AND CANADA THEN THERE IS IN THE US OR IS IT ALL THE SAME. GOTTA HAVE EPO TODAY OR YOU GOTTA GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS
What does hormones have to do with nutrition?
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THATS WHAT 85% OF THESE TRAINERS TODAY FEED THEIR HORSES. WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF THERE IS BETTER EPO OUT OF AUSTRAILIA AND CANADA THEN THERE IS IN THE US OR IS IT ALL THE SAME. GOTTA HAVE EPO TODAY OR YOU GOTTA GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS
The say the Guatemalan EPO is the best
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What does hormones have to do with nutrition?
You mean what does nutrition have to do with EPO? You can feed your horse Kraft macaroni and cheese if you have the good EPO and it wouldn’t matter. It’s all about the good drugs today my friend. No need to worry about nutrition.
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I've always enjoyed studying nutrition and have applied some of the techniques to my horses and I’ve had pretty good success especially with two and three-year-olds that have not been contaminated with drugs from other trainers.
Example: Oats/oatmeal is loaded with Melatonin and the amino acid Tryptophan that makes one sleepy/tired so it never made any sense to me feeding my horses oats before a race or a workout/training.
I always fed them oats with sweet feed for lunch/dinner or after a race.
The problem with oats/oatmeal, melatonin, tryptophan on a regular basis is that it can artificially alter your natural circadian rhythm after several weeks or months which is not exactly on a 24 hour cycle for most. Circadian rhythms doesn't just affect sleep cycles it also affects hormone secretions along with other bodily functions.
My horses breakfast would include buckwheat/Kasha, corn and steamed crimped barley.
I'm interested what you guys feed your horses?
For all of the horses I have owned I have provided their trainers (five different ones over 25 years) with Octacosanol (derived from wheat germ oil) which has been shown to increase athletic performance. It is a legal, nutrition supplement and easily administered, since it is basically in an oil format. When we claimed horses, WITHOUT (at least to my knowledge) the administration of any illegal drugs, they almost always held or improved upon their prior performance (although that could also relate to our strategy for claiming.) Certainly worth a try and easily available! We wound up with a daily dose of about 200 mg. fwiw
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14977443/
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For all of the horses I have owned I have provided their trainers (five different ones over 25 years) with Octacosanol (derived from wheat germ oil) which has been shown to increase athletic performance. It is a legal, nutrition supplement and easily administered, since it is basically in an oil format. When we claimed horses, WITHOUT (at least to my knowledge) the administration of any illegal drugs, they almost always held or improved upon their prior performance (although that could also relate to our strategy for claiming.) Certainly worth a try and easily available! We wound up with a daily dose of about 200 mg. fwiw
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14977443/
That's interesting! Definitely going to look into that thank you Seattle!
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For all of the horses I have owned I have provided their trainers (five different ones over 25 years) with Octacosanol (derived from wheat germ oil) which has been shown to increase athletic performance. It is a legal, nutrition supplement and easily administered, since it is basically in an oil format. When we claimed horses, WITHOUT (at least to my knowledge) the administration of any illegal drugs, they almost always held or improved upon their prior performance (although that could also relate to our strategy for claiming.) Certainly worth a try and easily available! We wound up with a daily dose of about 200 mg. fwiw
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14977443/
Interesting info. You have a link to the product form of choice? I saw this 1 in probably powder form from Australia as an example :
https://www.westernworldsaddlery.com/contents/en-us/p5835_Orlax_Octacosanol_.html
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Omega 3 and 6
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Omega 3 and 6
Definitely! Also fish works great on heel cracks. Squeeze some fish oil in a heel crack nothing works better. Throw all that other shit in the garbage.
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Interesting info. You have a link to the product form of choice? I saw this 1 in probably powder form from Australia as an example :
https://www.westernworldsaddlery.com/contents/en-us/p5835_Orlax_Octacosanol_.html
Thanks Dingus! Derived from wheat germ interesting.
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Red Cell as a feed topping, but they seem to like Hemotonic better because of the cherry flavor.
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Red Cell as a feed topping, but they seem to like Hemotonic better because of the cherry flavor.
I think a combination of B12 and iron 50/50 works better. I agree Red Cell can't hurt.
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You mean what does nutrition have to do with EPO? You can feed your horse Kraft macaroni and cheese if you have the good EPO and it wouldn’t matter. It’s all about the good drugs today my friend. No need to worry about nutrition.
I hear ya on the EPO but you're wrong about nutrition. Nutrition has everything to do with it. You have to have a horse to start with don't you.
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You need to get your hero Mark on a better diet! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Interesting info. You have a link to the product form of choice? I saw this 1 in probably powder form from Australia as an example :
https://www.westernworldsaddlery.com/contents/en-us/p5835_Orlax_Octacosanol_.html
The last time we used it the only way it was available was in an oil form (Viobin and others). I see that this has become more popular and is now available in the powdered form. Not sure if the dosing would be the same, however, YES...this is the stuff, and it WORKS.
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The last time we used it the only way it was available was in an oil form (Viobin and others). I see that this has become more popular and is now available in the powdered form. Not sure if the dosing would be the same, however, YES...this is the stuff, and it WORKS.
That’s interesting I think I like the oil base Viobin. Either way I would never feed oats prior to exercise.
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Pete is probably injecting protein as well. tmbz1
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Interesting topic but wrong forum. Most of the jerk offs and degenerates on here could tell the difference between a horse and a donkey. They wouldn't know which end to feed.
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That’s interesting I think I like the oil base Viobin. Either way I would never feed oats prior to exercise.
Hate to rain on your parade Gagootsy but I call nonsense on your not feeding Oats prior to exercise.
For eg---The greatest racehorse of all time--Secretariat IMHO--would eat 16 quarts of oats daily-including breakfast on race day. So I doubt if he would have run faster on any Commercial feed out there today. 50 years on -no one has beaten his records--so while feed is v. important--ability of the horse comes first.
Ive also been in top stables--and the feed in many of those contained a staple of oats.In fact ive seen some feed mostly Oats in their feed just supplemented with some chopped carrots small amount of sweet feed and topped with flavored vitamins and minerals in a mash----fed to Champions. The tryptophan--doesnt bother the horses at all. The only time Oats are not recommended is in tie up horses---as they do better on a diet of no grain at all-check out what they eat.
Im no expert-but this is what Ive seen when I visited barns with my Dad . People have become Lazy today--just buy feed already premade thinking this is the best---its much cheaper--making your own--lot more work but then hard work pays off.
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Interesting topic but wrong forum. Most of the jerk offs and degenerates on here could tell the difference between a horse and a donkey. They wouldn't know which end to feed.
What has a bigger penis, a horse, donkey, or a mule?
BTW, the original post was likely cut and pasted from somewhere.
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Interesting topic but wrong forum. Most of the jerk offs and degenerates on here could tell the difference between a horse and a donkey. They wouldn't know which end to feed.
Lance, I couldn't agree more. Most of them are just a bunch of fucking losers that pissed their money away at the windows.
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Hate to rain on your parade Gagootsy but I call nonsense on your not feeding Oats prior to exercise.
For eg---The greatest racehorse of all time--Secretariat IMHO--would eat 16 quarts of oats daily-including breakfast on race day. So I doubt if he would have run faster on any Commercial feed out there today. 50 years on -no one has beaten his records--so while feed is v. important--ability of the horse comes first.
Ive also been in top stables--and the feed in many of those contained a staple of oats.In fact ive seen some feed mostly Oats in their feed just supplemented with some chopped carrots small amount of sweet feed and topped with flavored vitamins and minerals in a mash----fed to Champions. The tryptophan--doesnt bother the horses at all. The only time Oats are not recommended is in tie up horses---as they do better on a diet of no grain at all-check out what they eat.
Im no expert-but this is what Ive seen when I visited barns with my Dad . People have become Lazy today--just buy feed already premade thinking this is the best---its much cheaper--making your own--lot more work but then hard work pays off.
I see your point however how do you know secretariat wouldn't have run even better on a diet of oats after exercising? You're not raining on my parade I love constructive criticism.
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Oats is a natural test booster, whenever you feed it
Big Red was amazing! I'm sure he attacked his feedtub.
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Oats is a natural test booster, whenever you feed it
Big Red was amazing! I'm sure he attacked his feedtub.
You are correct 👍 Big red ate like the Champion he was. In fact most great horses have super appetites- all the ones I’ve seen anyway.
Getting back to commercial feeds- they are convenient to use but IMHO not always the best. In fact many use inferior grains and ingredients hide it with molasses .Making feed up yourself is more satisfying and saves money and you know exactly what you are feeding and can individually feed each horse to what they like. Much better than a one for all. For example oats vary greatly in quality. You must weigh the oats in a standard quart container. The big fat oats from Canada or Minnesota are the best IMHO. I see the oats in many feeds that are cheap shit. Poor quality and of course much cheaper which is why they use them .
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You are correct Big red ate like the Champion he was. In fact most great horses have super appetites- all the ones I’ve seen anyway.
Getting back to commercial feeds- they are convenient to use but IMHO not always the best. In fact many use inferior grains and ingredients hide it with molasses .Making feed up yourself is more satisfying and saves money and you know exactly what you are feeding and can individually feed each horse to what they like. Much better than a one for all. For example oats vary greatly in quality. You must weigh the oats in a standard quart container. The big fat oats from Canada or Minnesota are the best IMHO. I see the oats in many feeds that are cheap shit. Poor quality and of course much cheaper which is why they use them .
If you take a handful of sweet feed and wash it with warm water you would be shocked at the quality of the grains the same goes for pellets. I definitely agree with making up your own feed. I always felt steamed crimps oats out of Minnesota were the best. I was never a fan of sweet feed, I would add blackstrap molasses and mix it.
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Oats is a natural test booster, whenever you feed it
Big Red was amazing! I'm sure he attacked his feedtub.
I disagree on whenever you feed it.