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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Bitter Truth on May 11, 2024, 04:44:32 PM
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Just for anyone living under a rock. Karl is in tonight at M[1] 4th race
Don't watch or bet M[1] generally but will have to have a look.
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It's a 30K Jersey Sire Stake race
he covers his training bill for a week
glorified qualifier
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It's a 30K Jersey Sire Stake race
he covers his training bill for a week
glorified qualifier
training bills are 15k a week?
seems high
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Very high
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Have to remember Jimmy's consulting fees
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training bills are 15k a week?
seems high
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Wasn't trying to say that he wasn't going to win [2/5 m/l] or even be challenged.
Still worth a look with all the hype and expectations. ;D
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Wasn't trying to say that he wasn't going to win [2/5 m/l] or even be challenged.
Still worth a look with all the hype and expectations. ;D
He will be 1/9
i would say $2.10 to win as opposed to $2.20
morning line guy knows better than that to list as 2/5
there will be a serious place minus pool undoubtedly vs these
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Will end up being the greatest trotter ever.
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We have learned absolutely nothing tonight
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We learned he could beat a field of turds.
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We learned that he doesn't have to be on the front end every start!
I was a little surprised he didn't 1/4 and get out of everyone's way early in the race. Mission accomplished as he won about 8 lengths without stressing himself!
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smart drive
teaching him rather than blasting him
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Two observations:
1.) Yannick's challenge will be seeing that he doesn't "overtrot" himself.
2.) Yannick may have a very happy Hambo day as Spy Coast looked even better than Karl. Smooth-gaited and was completely shut down on a cool night in 1:53.3, last Q 26.4 Definitely ranks as a top contender for the Oaks.
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Will end up being the greatest trotter ever.
You know, the way this guy accelerates when asked is poetry in motion. We have defiantly not seen the bottom yet. 1:48 and a piece ?
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@DRFHarness
Per @DaveLittleBigM's post-race report, trainer @NancyTakter said that Karl hit the race bike a couple of times on the far turn of his race on Saturday night @TheMeadowlands. A larger UFO bike has been ordered and will be used going forward
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You know, the way this guy accelerates when asked is poetry in motion. We have defiantly not seen the bottom yet. 1:48 and a piece ?
tmbz1 The only other trotter I have seen move like that was Sebastian K.
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@DRFHarness
Per @DaveLittleBigM's post-race report, trainer @NancyTakter said that Karl hit the race bike a couple of times on the far turn of his race on Saturday night @TheMeadowlands. A larger UFO bike has been ordered and will be used going forward
Yimmy is running the show
Nancy is just there as the face of the organization
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Yimmy is running the show
Nancy is just there as the face of the organization
Under what basis would you say this? Nancy travels all over the place and is clearly in charge of everything in the paddock, working hard all day. Her father is rarely ever seen in the paddock
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Under what basis would you say this? Nancy travels all over the place and is clearly in charge of everything in the paddock, working hard all day. Her father is rarely ever seen in the paddock
A few years ago, they told Yimmy to step down as trainer,,,but he still drives an occasional 2yo or 3yo trotter who is developing
this is common knowledge that he is the boss calling the shots, managing the stakes schedule, qualifiers, etc
Seeing Nancy on tv or in the paddock, wearing silks ..just for show
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A few years ago, they told Yimmy to step down as trainer,,,but he still drives an occasional 2yo or 3yo trotter who is developing
this is common knowledge that he is the boss calling the shots, managing the stakes schedule, qualifiers, etc
Seeing Nancy on tv or in the paddock, wearing silks ..just for show
I'm sure the father is involved but I see Nancy working her ass off all the time. I think you are being unfair.
There are plenty of listed trainers who have no involvement in the actual training of horses. Nancy is not one of those. Not even close
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I'm sure the father is involved but I see Nancy working her ass off all the time. I think you are being unfair.
There are plenty of listed trainers who have no involvement in the actual training of horses. Nancy is not one of those. Not even close
You are putting words in my mouth
i never once said Nancy doesnt work hard
what i said was Yimmy is calling the shots
wtf?
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You are putting words in my mouth
i never once said Nancy doesnt work hard
what i said was Yimmy is calling the shots
wtf?
You said Nancy is just the face of the organization. As only a face, This inherently Implies that she does no work.
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You said Nancy is just the face of the organization. As only a face, This inherently Implies that she does no work.
stop reading into it and making your own assumptions
not implying anything...just stating facts
sorry if the truth bothers you that Yimmy is running the show
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stop reading into it and making your own assumptions
not implying anything...just stating facts
sorry if the truth bothers you that Yimmy is running the show
Can you tell us how you know this as a fact? "Common knowledge" is not an answer.
Do you work for the stable? Do they train horses for you? Have you personally witnessed their operation?
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ask admin to post a poll
i said my piece
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ask admin to post a poll
i said my piece
Pretty much what I assumed. You took a shot at Nancy based on conjecture and hearsay. No facts. Seems personal
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He's not running anything, he comes and trains once in awhile. he's still screwing with Lindy and the runners. Nancy runs the place just like her dad, same work ethic. Don't talk shit if you don't know anything.
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Funny 8 years ago when she was stabled a White Birch. She said “I don’t need my family. I don’t even ask for advice “. Then all the sudden she was back at Yimmy farm “training “ his stable
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He's not running anything, he comes and trains once in awhile. he's still screwing with Lindy and the runners. Nancy runs the place just like her dad, same work ethic. Don't talk shit if you don't know anything.
All of which is exactly what I know to be true as well.
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I love seeing Nancy in the winners circle. A true Swedish Goddess!!!!
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I love seeing Nancy in the winners circle. A true Swedish Goddess!!!!
I agree. I think she is a very attractive woman! tmbz1
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She has been spending a bit too much time at the smorgasbrod table lately. Sarah Svanstedt looks like she might give you a better drive.
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She has been spending a bit too much time at the smorgasbrod table lately. Sarah Svanstedt looks like she might give you a better drive.
tmbz1 tmbz1
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It's like asking you what kind of cancer you want. Either choice is bad.
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I remember back to the days Nancy trained with Johansson. They couldn't win a fixed race. No way the success happens without Jimmy.
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I remember back to the days Nancy trained with Johansson. They couldn't win a fixed race. No way the success happens without Jimmy.
i was told this isnt true even though we all know it is
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Pretty much what I assumed. You took a shot at Nancy based on conjecture and hearsay. No facts. Seems personal
Yimmy was seen driving Karl in saturday morning training at M1--he is running the show as i said
how is that for facts tmbz1
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Yimmy was seen driving Karl in saturday morning training at M1--he is running the show as i said
how is that for facts tmbz1
The only reason Jimmy is training him is to try and figure out where the lameness is. He is running the show and trying everything in his power to win the Hambo with his horse. My guess is he will protect him until hambo and if not 100% he scratched sick or lame and is retired. They won't let him get beat. Rumor is they turned down 15 mil already for him.
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So you think yummy neeeds to go to the meadowlands to figure out where he is lame at?
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The only reason Jimmy is training him is to try and figure out where the lameness is. He is running the show and trying everything in his power to win the Hambo with his horse. My guess is he will protect him until hambo and if not 100% he scratched sick or lame and is retired. They won't let him get beat. Rumor is they turned down 15 mil already for him.
$15 million turned down? What?!
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Neither is true. People just talking dumb.
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i mentioned Yimmy was still running the show and was chastised that it was a personal attack on Nancy, and that Yimmy has absolutely nothing to do with the operation ngc3 ngc3
Yimmy is still calling the shots-if he is driving Karl on a Saturday morning in June-it is obvious he is running the show and majorly involved
There must be something amiss with Karl--if Karl is 100%-why is Yimmy "helping out"?
Poor Mike Campbell--he wont be happy about this
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Yimmy is still calling the shots-if he is driving Karl on a Saturday morning in June-it is obvious he is running the show and majorly involved
There must be something amiss with Karl--if Karl is 100%-why is Yimmy "helping out"?
I don't know if the horse has any problems, but I know a lot about human behavior. If your daughter was the trainer of one of the best trotters of all time and you have trained, driven and won with all the stock he has over the years wouldn't you want to sit behind him on a Saturday morning? Just because you can? I would and I would bet that you and everyone else involved with trotters would too.
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I don't know if the horse has any problems, but I know a lot about human behavior. If your daughter was the trainer of one of the best trotters of all time and you have trained, driven and won with all the stock he has over the years wouldn't you want to sit behind him on a Saturday morning? Just because you can? I would and I would bet that you and everyone else involved with trotters would too.
not disagreeing here--but i was told Yimmy was retired and had nothing to do with any racing operations
the fact that he is driving in the morning is contrary to that statement
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I have been told that every Nancy Takter owner gets billed EVERY month a consulting fee for Jimmy.
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not disagreeing here--but i was told Yimmy was retired and had nothing to do with any racing operations
the fact that he is driving in the morning is contrary to that statement
Told by who? The internet? Give me a break. He's been driving every year in a few stakes races. He had a drive in the baby races on Saturday. He took some time to get involved with Phil Antonacci in the Thoroughbred business but now is just looked at as an advisor there. Of course he's going to go back to his family and his roots and help, even if it's just advice.
I'm sure that his involvement with the Antonacci's led to them letting Winner's Bet go to Nancy's stable from their own. Look where that move is today. Two consecutive track record performances.
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Jimmy retired but NEVER said he wouldn't drive, and he always said he'd be around the barn for advice. So he trains the horse, I wouldn't mind his input. What do you want him to do, go sit in a rocking chair. He enjoys being around the barn.
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Neither is true. People just talking dumb.
10000% TRUE - 15 Million was offered and was turned down!
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Karl will end up being the greatest trotter ever.
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10000% TRUE - 15 Million was offered and was turned down!
10000% BS. Nobody, absolutely nobody is writing a check for anywhere near that amount. Step away from the keyboard and put out whatever it is you are smoking. Buyer side, major farm inquired, threw out a number BASED UPON SYNDICATING him. 40 shares at $300,000 a share was the carrot, but the farm owner was told his stud fee won't support it. The number is complete BS because the farm would have to retain a major % of the shares. Seller side, Jimmy is talking the horse up big time, like he always does with the best horse in the barn. If he can get one of the big Swede owners to buy in for a piece that sets the entry point, and everybody makes money on the deal.....everybod y with the last name of Takter that is, LOL. Hard to get an overseas owner in at a big number if a US farm/syndicate is involved. Your hand gets forced.
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Karl will end up being the greatest trotter ever.
I agree, if he stays sound enough to prove it.
You can't watch that horse and think he is near 100%. I don't think he needs 100% to beat everyone, based on his talent alone, but so far he's faced nothing even close to his level. There's enough good ones this year that he will need to prove it and I hope he's not too fragile to do so.
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He is no where near Muscle Hill who I would consider the modern day greatest. Karl has a hitch to his gait and very bad mouth. He's not easy to drive and Yannick knows it. Muscle Hill was a Cadillac to drive and anyone could train him as evidence by him being trained by the idiot Peck.
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He is no where near Muscle Hill who I would consider the modern day greatest. Karl has a hitch to his gait and very bad mouth. He's not easy to drive and Yannick knows it. Muscle Hill was a Cadillac to drive and anyone could train him as evidence by him being trained by the idiot Peck.
Well said, I agree
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If syndicated there will be 100 shares so $15 m is not out of sight but first he has to race and not be the first one to get beat. He will be protected just like midnight fiasco of last year.
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I don’t believe the 15mil number. Pre Hambo, Breeders crown, TVG? No shot. Maybe if he was a Walner that was bred 10x better than he is and won all 3 of stakes convincingly, I’d believe the 15mil.
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I'm just telling you what Nancy herself has been spouting. They turned down 15 mil. Don't know who made the offer but the 15m was made and it's legit. That's only 150k/share. They have him pegged as the next coming of christ. I think turning the money down was stupid because he's not even close to the best. There are two out there right now that will jerk his bridle.
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I'm just telling you what Nancy herself has been spouting. They turned down 15 mil. Don't know who made the offer but the 15m was made and it's legit. That's only 150k/share. They have him pegged as the next coming of christ. I think turning the money down was stupid because he's not even close to the best. There are two out there right now that will jerk his bridle.
Who? The Canadian horse and TCI?
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It says Karl is racing tonight but I’ve looked everywhere. Including Saratoga and Freehold. I don’t see him entered anywhere. Maybe Northfield?
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It says Karl is racing tonight but I’ve looked everywhere. Including Saratoga and Freehold. I don’t see him entered anywhere. Maybe Northfield?
Sat night 6th race Meadowlands
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The thread was started May 11th Freak. Once again your observational skills on full display. ngc3
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Sat night 6th race Meadowlands
To find any horse that maybe racing
Go to USTA
Go to Entries and results
Go to search
Enter horse's name
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The thread was started May 11th Freak. Once again your observational skills on full display. ngc3
You would be more kind if you knew I was tarded.
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Barely looked like he was doing anything tonight and all of a sudden it’s 1:51 lq 26.3. Looked effortless!
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Nasty ..my buddie Mike Campbell might be on to something tmbz1
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I heard somewhere he will be the greatest trotter.
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Zero chance! Watch how hard YG has to stand on the gaiting pole in the 1st turn. Great trotters don't use gaiting poles! He's gonna tip over when pushed.
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Karl will end up being the greatest trotter ever.
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https://youtu.be/6bUKHL3ZpfU
Take a look...if you know what you are looking at...and if you do...watch after the race as well (up until the interviews).
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Yea - he can "drive" him and he's handy. Karl is like driving a mac truck. This horse will absolutely destroy Karl.
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Yea - he can "drive" him and he's handy. Karl is like driving a mac truck. This horse will absolutely destroy Karl.
I’m not saying Karl can’t be beaten, but destroy? Just stop! tmbz1
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when Karl takes pressure in Hambo from real horses and explodes and runs like a deer it will be getting destroyed. Father Patrick all over again. There are 3-4 out there right now that can beat Karl. I'm sick of hearing the bullshit about how good he is. He's above avg. He's not great by any stretch. He has beat TCI once and raced no one in his entire life. He has ducked everyone except for BC. Let's talk at the end of the year and if I'm wrong I'll eat my words and kiss Nancy's big fat ass and tell her she is by far the greatest trainer of all time even though Jimmy will be calling the shots.
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https://postimg.cc/XBvvcb8s - now that is not a goat. That is standing on a gaiting pole for those of you who don't know!
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https://postimg.cc/dLL1hJD1 the ears plugs were pulled late too! So don't give me this shit he was wrapped up. Plugs were out because Yannick can't dare touch the prick with the whip or he will run!
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when Karl takes pressure in Hambo from real horses and explodes and runs like a deer it will be getting destroyed. Father Patrick all over again. There are 3-4 out there right now that can beat Karl. I'm sick of hearing the bullshit about how good he is. He's above avg. He's not great by any stretch. He has beat TCI once and raced no one in his entire life. He has ducked everyone except for BC. Let's talk at the end of the year and if I'm wrong I'll eat my words and kiss Nancy's big fat ass and tell her she is by far the greatest trainer of all time even though Jimmy will be calling the shots.
Nancy’s ass happens to be perfect. You should see her in jeans. Wooozy woozy wooo woooo. I bet from the waist down everything is polished and tight!!!!
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Yes she has displayed from the waist down to ever driver she has!
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Yes she has displayed from the waist down to ever driver she has!
Jealousy gets you no where. When she drops those panties the room fills with the smell of flowers and butterflies fly about. Then there is an electric sensation that overpowers you and it feels like heaven. Total ecstasy. Heaven on earth.
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Handicapping aside, sounds like you better go get you one of those man on man head jobs
you promote. I'm thinking you ain't getting near Nancy ;D
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Handicapping aside, sounds like you better go get you one of those man on man head jobs
you promote. I'm thinking you ain't getting near Nancy ;D
I can think of whoever I want when I masterbate and she can’t stop me.
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Jealousy gets you no where. When she drops those panties the room fills with the smell of flowers and butterflies fly about. Then there is an electric sensation that overpowers you and it feels like heaven. Total ecstasy. Heaven on earth.
That electric sensation you speak of is her taking a cattle prod to your ass you moron. Don't you know the Swedes love the prod? Her and Ake are pros with it!
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Karl will end up being the greatest trotter ever.
Ooops
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ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 Told you he was gonna get beat. He didn't get beat he got crushed.
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ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 Told you he was gonna get beat. He didn't get beat he got crushed.
Threw him out based on the post parade. That horse is simply not sound. No two ways about it.
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Winner paid
$138.00 to win and
$335.00 to place.
tmbz1
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I take TCI's effort after making a miscue at the gate over what Karl put out there tonight. Horse was running in pretty bad late, same issue that he had last year, so its not the end of the world but the timing is about the worst that it could be.
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His right side knee and hock is fried. Horses with bad hocks are horrible in the turns and bad knees in the straights. He can't trot a turn to save his life and he's running in horrible in the stretch. Yannick can't drive him and my guess is that is the last start you will ever see Karl. He will have a mysterious injury and never see the track again.
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His right side knee and hock is fried. Horses with bad hocks are horrible in the turns and bad knees in the straights. He can't trot a turn to save his life and he's running in horrible in the stretch. Yannick can't drive him and my guess is that is the last start you will ever see Karl. He will have a mysterious injury and never see the track again.
That's an interesting take. You might be right. He's prob worth more now if they cite injury and retire him than let him flail through the Hambo, etc.
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Once again the bridge jumpers took a major beating. Out of $167,000 bet to place $148,000 was bet on Karl. If Karl had held second he would have paid $2.10. Why in the world do people make a bet like this to make 5%? I also noticed Yannick didn’t try to urge Karl on when the other horses were coming. He must of sensed something wasn’t quite right with the horse.
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Karl will end up being the greatest trotter ever.
You know Mike, you allow yourself to be open to criticism by a bunch of low life, drunk, horny bastards, who have no feasible opinion whatsoever. They want to talk of Nancy's ability in bed rather than her ability as a trainer. The same was done with that know-nothing air head Jen Bongiorno. Probably you and Old Guy have the best opinion of all here. If you toned down the language a bit, you would be better received. At the very least, I enjoy some of your posts and look forward to them minus the salty language.
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Now we might have an inkling why he didn’t ship to Vernon to go for $300,000 !
No way he can race on a weeks rest…
Now there are 3 horses who have beaten him.
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Once again the bridge jumpers took a major beating. Out of $167,000 bet to place $148,000 was bet on Karl. If Karl had held second he would have paid $2.10. Why in the world do people make a bet like this to make 5%? I also noticed Yannick didn’t try to urge Karl on when the other horses were coming. He must of sensed something wasn’t quite right with the horse.
Yannick hasn't touched him all season because he can't or he will run!
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The arm-chair and internet trainers will be out in full force ranting and raving and preaching from their soapbox. However, let us not forget, one very important piece of information. Team Takter actually trains the horse. They don't play a trainer on the internet. Fact is, that horse got completely abused tonight. YG drove him like a moron. You can say victim of circumstance, but I don't remember John Campbell looking that inept. He got used and abused getting to the top. Based upon the drive and his trip, he didn't do anything other than disappoint the people who were calling him the greatest trotter of all time. It ain't over yet, except the in-house trainers are saying it is.
On a related note, Svanstedt is a genius.
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The arm-chair and internet trainers will be out in full force ranting and raving and preaching from their soapbox. However, let us not forget, one very important piece of information. Team Takter actually trains the horse. They don't play a trainer on the internet. Fact is, that horse got completely abused tonight. YG drove him like a moron. You can say victim of circumstance, but I don't remember John Campbell looking that inept. He got used and abused getting to the top. Based upon the drive and his trip, he didn't do anything other than disappoint the people who were calling him the greatest trotter of all time. It ain't over yet, except the in-house trainers are saying it is.
On a related note, Svanstedt is a genius.
What are you watching? He has raced the exact same every start. 1/2 in 55 and he was abused? Are you kidding me? He's lame. He can't leave the gate or go the last turn.
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Karl will end his career as the greatest trotter ever.
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Karl changed front shoes steel to aluminum. He looked bumpy warming up earlier. I’m sure he’ll be going back to steel. He still seems is better than this group of 3 yr old trotters. He’s still the one to beat.
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He looked like a shell of himself tonight. He is way better than that
I would be more worried about TCI, he looked like a maiden trotter tonite
I still think Karl is way, way better and if Ake trained him, he would be even better. Takter, Jimmy or his daughter aren't in the same zip code as Ake.
Even Gural said Ake is the best trainer in US and it's not close
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What are you watching? He has raced the exact same every start. 1/2 in 55 and he was abused? Are you kidding me? He's lame. He can't leave the gate or go the last turn.
You rant and rave and all you have talked about is soundness speak. You are focusing all your attention on lame, soundness, rigging, etc., and ignoring reality to suit some foolish point because you know better than Takter. Same way every start? 6 wide and not being able to go forward through the first turn, never a chance to settle, out every step? Sure a 55 half is not egregious, but one, what was his half and two, he didn't clear until into the far turn, with a back half on the board of 54.3.....in a 150 mile...... and with being about 6 or 6 1/2 off, after being that wide, right, that was the same every start. The other division went in 51 and 1 and I don't see everyone screaming about TCI who spit it tonight like a kid eating liver. Getting beat by two tripped out horses, but good horses, doesn't spell lame. He may not be 100% sound, but I don't see Team Takter coming to you to help them. You're the typical nobody who is telling one of the leading professionals in the game that you know better. Good luck with that.
I don't care if they retire him tomorrow. It doesn't give any credibility to what you are saying. This is a pretty talented colt. He was the class leader from day one and all the others are starting to catch up to him. Very common. Happens a lot with a standout leader. If they couldn't keep him winning, they are far more focused on a Saturday afternoon in August than they are about tonight. IMO YG did not do a good job on this horse at all tonight. Even with that, he still only got beat 2 and he didn't slash him when he knew he was beat.
Now Funtime Bayama.......some thing not good happened to him tonight. DD pulls the pocket (???) and backs through the field, brought to a slow jog and is beat 30 plus lengths? Maybe he bled bad or something. I don't know but that was not good.
And....Ake is a genius. This guy is the premier trotting trainer in North America. He doesn't have the depth or bench Takter, or others, have and he won't win every sire stake or stakes race on the calendar. But when the big money is on the line, this guy is showing up to the big dances and his horses have got their dancing shoes on and are ready to rock and roll. Pure genius. Excellent, top horseman.
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Karl was the 2 nd. horse in the race to get beat. Will we to wait another month before he races again ? I’d hate to get his vet bill for next 3 weeks.
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Karl was the 2 nd. horse in the race to get beat. Will we to wait another month before he races again ? I’d hate to get his vet bill for next 3 weeks.
LOL. Unless something is wrong, I am sure Saturday, August 3rd is still circled on their calendar. But, if he wins, I am guessing the vet bill won't be an issue, LOL.
On a related note, Highland Kismet certainly did not show up last night.....and what was Bob McClure doing? I know he gapped off the gait in a previous start, but what was that? He looked like he could barely get a hold of the track until the backstretch, and even then he wasn't making up ground. Made up ground to get beat what, 3 lengths?
And, on the pacing side, like her or not, Casie's colts and Tony Beaton run 1-2 in the Meadowlands Pace! And Jody Jamieson picks up the last check getting 5th. J-Mac, Louie Roy, Casie and Tony bring home all the money! Looks like her business model worked at least last night. I wonder if she's going to stick with it or completely give it up like she said she was considering.
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You rant and rave and all you have talked about is soundness speak. You are focusing all your attention on lame, soundness, rigging, etc., and ignoring reality to suit some foolish point because you know better than Takter. Same way every start? 6 wide and not being able to go forward through the first turn, never a chance to settle, out every step? Sure a 55 half is not egregious, but one, what was his half and two, he didn't clear until into the far turn, with a back half on the board of 54.3.....in a 150 mile...... and with being about 6 or 6 1/2 off, after being that wide, right, that was the same every start. The other division went in 51 and 1 and I don't see everyone screaming about TCI who spit it tonight like a kid eating liver. Getting beat by two tripped out horses, but good horses, doesn't spell lame. He may not be 100% sound, but I don't see Team Takter coming to you to help them. You're the typical nobody who is telling one of the leading professionals in the game that you know better. Good luck with that.
I don't care if they retire him tomorrow. It doesn't give any credibility to what you are saying. This is a pretty talented colt. He was the class leader from day one and all the others are starting to catch up to him. Very common. Happens a lot with a standout leader. If they couldn't keep him winning, they are far more focused on a Saturday afternoon in August than they are about tonight. IMO YG did not do a good job on this horse at all tonight. Even with that, he still only got beat 2 and he didn't slash him when he knew he was beat.
Now Funtime Bayama.......some thing not good happened to him tonight. DD pulls the pocket (???) and backs through the field, brought to a slow jog and is beat 30 plus lengths? Maybe he bled bad or something. I don't know but that was not good.
And....Ake is a genius. This guy is the premier trotting trainer in North America. He doesn't have the depth or bench Takter, or others, have and he won't win every sire stake or stakes race on the calendar. But when the big money is on the line, this guy is showing up to the big dances and his horses have got their dancing shoes on and are ready to rock and roll. Pure genius. Excellent, top horseman.
While I agree with you a lot of the time and don't necessarily disagree with you on some of the points above, I do have a different viewpoint on a few things:
If Karl is as good as a lot of people (myself included) believe he is, last night was NOT a tough trip for him. This horse, with the talent he's shown all along, should have been able to tackle that trip in his sleep.
If you thought that horse looked sound warming up, I truly don't know what to tell you. If you want to call that armchair veterinarian-ism, that's ok. But I have eyes and have had seen (and had) my fair share of unsound horses. He is not right.
I can't say if that alone is why he was disappointing last night. No one on here (that I can tell) is close to the horse/stable at all, so that's for the Takters to figure out. Hopefully they can.
I am not screaming about TCI, personally, because he hasn't looked like the horse we saw last year pretty much at all this year. I assumed he would lose tonight, quite frankly. I assumed incorrectly it would be to Highland Kismet, who disappointed tremendously. I am a little more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt (he's way greener, has never raced anywhere else, maybe wasn't getting over the surface the best) but I had him pegged as better than that.
And, we agree Ake is an absolute genius and elite level trainer, but he has a stable of 100+, I believe, and was trainer of the year multiple times in Sweden with huge stables there, too. I am not sure who has more horses (him or Takter) but it's not like he's operating a small bench or doesn't have the experience. His horses appear to be rounding into form at a pretty ideal time, while the other three top contenders (in my mind, at least) are trending the other way.
I truly believe Karl is the fastest and most talented of them all, but his connections better get their horse in order or August 3rd is going to be a tough one for them. I don't really call that armchair anything. It's facts. He's going to have to do better to win the Hambo.
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And....Ake is a genius. this guy is showing up to the big dances and his horses have got their dancing shoes on and are ready to rock and roll. Pure genius. Excellent, top horseman.
Yes Ake is a genius. Super high win % and it doesn't matter how long they have been off. But when ready he takes their "dancing shoes" off. ngc3
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Karl been beat before so that’s not surprising. Trying to float the lead from his spot was a little taxing in my opinion. I don’t think that N.T. has him completely race fit , or peaked rt now, when the money and fame are on the line I think they will have him condition wise at his best aka Hambo day.
Most people on Plop and in general racing don’t understand that you only get so many starts where the horse is at 100% across the board. That’s why I have always said Brett Pelling is the best at having a horse ready for stake races better then anyone.
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He won't feel a thing, will be good to go for elim and final. Takter's have been here a few times, wouldn't count him out. What about TCI, 2 off performances in a row? Ake WORLD class long before he came here.
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Karl has no chance at Hambo. Operation Hambo over.
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Was at the Meadowlands last night and Karl and kismet did not warm up good. Karl was hopping and kismet was all lathered up. My buddies took a shot leaving Karl out in picks, but didn't use the 2. I was in Mohawk when kismet raced in the big race and he warmed up giant but was against him as he had never raced outside of mohawk and felt shipping would be an issue. I was also in Vernon last week for TCI and been totally disappointed in his last couple. I did not think he could lose last night.
On another issue last night, there was some strange betting last night, French champaine was bet early and often like they had results in the paper before the race was official.
Situationship last flash 7-2 to 9-5, thought he had a figure, but that much money
Legendary Hanover all the late money
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While I agree with you a lot of the time and don't necessarily disagree with you on some of the points above, I do have a different viewpoint on a few things:
If Karl is as good as a lot of people (myself included) believe he is, last night was NOT a tough trip for him. This horse, with the talent he's shown all along, should have been able to tackle that trip in his sleep.
If you thought that horse looked sound warming up, I truly don't know what to tell you. If you want to call that armchair veterinarian-ism, that's ok. But I have eyes and have had seen (and had) my fair share of unsound horses. He is not right.
I can't say if that alone is why he was disappointing last night. No one on here (that I can tell) is close to the horse/stable at all, so that's for the Takters to figure out. Hopefully they can.
I am not screaming about TCI, personally, because he hasn't looked like the horse we saw last year pretty much at all this year. I assumed he would lose tonight, quite frankly. I assumed incorrectly it would be to Highland Kismet, who disappointed tremendously. I am a little more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt (he's way greener, has never raced anywhere else, maybe wasn't getting over the surface the best) but I had him pegged as better than that.
And, we agree Ake is an absolute genius and elite level trainer, but he has a stable of 100+, I believe, and was trainer of the year multiple times in Sweden with huge stables there, too. I am not sure who has more horses (him or Takter) but it's not like he's operating a small bench or doesn't have the experience. His horses appear to be rounding into form at a pretty ideal time, while the other three top contenders (in my mind, at least) are trending the other way.
I truly believe Karl is the fastest and most talented of them all, but his connections better get their horse in order or August 3rd is going to be a tough one for them. I don't really call that armchair anything. It's facts. He's going to have to do better to win the Hambo.
I agree with everything you said, to an extent, for the most part. Agreed. Look, like I said, the horse is not 100% sound. Is he walking around dead lame all week, every day, etc......no, he's not. Whatever it is it is. My armchair trainer comments were directed toward to poster who I quoted. I do think Karl was so far ahead of the class that he may have looked invincible to some and his dominance, greatness, whatever was exacerbated. But the rest of the crop started growing, maturing, getting better, turning the corner, and so on.....and next thing you know, last night's trip, and whatever soundness issue he has going on, that gets him beat. Without question the fastest and most talented of this crop. No doubt.
As far as Highland Kismet, he is absolutely much better than that. Far. I don't know that Ake has over 100 now, but it wouldn't surprise me. Small operation no, but he buys/gets a fraction of what Takter gets at the sales. Might have more sent to him. The guy is a legend in Sweden. Without question. But I don't see him buying the #'s that Takter does. Regardless, #'s aside, I just see him campaigning, managing, developing, and whatever you want to call it exceptionally well. That in my mind is what a great trainer does. He is getting his horses moving and trending in the right direction and gives them the chance to peak at the right time. He's the one trainer that I am watching every equipment, shoeing, other change, and I watch every horse of his on the track, closely, with binoculars, to see what changes he's making week to week. I am impressed with what he's doing and how he's doing it. I've never been a raving fan of Takter. I respect what he's/they've accomplished. Jimmy's been doing this a long time. He's a HOF trainer and rightfully so. Great trainer. But I never liked to see dominance by one guy, LOL.
I just wish I could have come up with Noel's colt Sig Sauer last night. Very, very talented cold who just always was a bit behind the class leaders last year and would have been undefeated if not for a miscue. His Q's looked good but Noel's horses are hard to read sometimes and he just didn't show me enough in the Reynolds......but Ake's colt from the rail did! He looked really good in the Reynolds and has been slowly rounding into form, getting better, stronger, etc. Ake-style! LOL.
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Most people on Plop and in general racing don’t understand that you only get so many starts where the horse is at 100% across the board. That’s why I have always said Brett Pelling is the best at having a horse ready for stake races better then anyone.
Brett Pelling......mana ging, campaigning, training, getting a horse to point and peak for a specific race......The best......Hands-down.
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I agree with everything you said, to an extent, for the most part. Agreed. Look, like I said, the horse is not 100% sound. Is he walking around dead lame all week, every day, etc......no, he's not. Whatever it is it is. My armchair trainer comments were directed toward to poster who I quoted. I do think Karl was so far ahead of the class that he may have looked invincible to some and his dominance, greatness, whatever was exacerbated. But the rest of the crop started growing, maturing, getting better, turning the corner, and so on.....and next thing you know, last night's trip, and whatever soundness issue he has going on, that gets him beat. Without question the fastest and most talented of this crop. No doubt.
As far as Highland Kismet, he is absolutely much better than that. Far. I don't know that Ake has over 100 now, but it wouldn't surprise me. Small operation no, but he buys/gets a fraction of what Takter gets at the sales. Might have more sent to him. The guy is a legend in Sweden. Without question. But I don't see him buying the #'s that Takter does. Regardless, #'s aside, I just see him campaigning, managing, developing, and whatever you want to call it exceptionally well. That in my mind is what a great trainer does. He is getting his horses moving and trending in the right direction and gives them the chance to peak at the right time. He's the one trainer that I am watching every equipment, shoeing, other change, and I watch every horse of his on the track, closely, with binoculars, to see what changes he's making week to week. I am impressed with what he's doing and how he's doing it. I've never been a raving fan of Takter. I respect what he's/they've accomplished. Jimmy's been doing this a long time. He's a HOF trainer and rightfully so. Great trainer. But I never liked to see dominance by one guy, LOL.
I just wish I could have come up with Noel's colt Sig Sauer last night. Very, very talented cold who just always was a bit behind the class leaders last year and would have been undefeated if not for a miscue. His Q's looked good but Noel's horses are hard to read sometimes and he just didn't show me enough in the Reynolds......but Ake's colt from the rail did! He looked really good in the Reynolds and has been slowly rounding into form, getting better, stronger, etc. Ake-style! LOL.
Appreciate the response. Ake definitely had 100+ horses earlier this year. I watch the Twos in Training vids each year (find them very interesting) and he stated he had either 103 or 105 (can't recall which). I believe he has a stronger homebred feeder system through his owners than Takters, which may be why you see him buying more. Plus, he keeps a number of aged horses, and that's all in; not just 2-3yos.
Noel has said all along what a nice colt Sig Sauer is. I recall him saying in last year's Twos in Training that if the horse is half as good as the horse himself thinks he is, they'd be golden. Sounds like they finally have him right and it couldn't be at a better time.
I wish I had bet the race last night. The only way I figured any value was to throw out Karl and I just didn't see him not being first or second unless he completely imploded. I will say if he hadn't been in the race, the 1 horse (Tony Adams) would've been my key horse and I certainly would've used Sig Sauer, so my faith in Karl cost me some real $$ last night 73cv.2
I hope they get Kismet figured out. I really thought he was capable of winning the Hambo after watching him jog around Mohawk like he owned the place.
in any event, August 3 just became a heck of a lot more interesting, IMO.
Again, appreciate the dialogue. Nice to be able to have discussion without all the shit-slinging and jeans-creaming that goes on on here so much of the time ngc3 ngc3