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https://www.harnessracingupdate.com/pdf/hru/hru052624.pdf
Meadowlands owner Jeff Gural served notice this week that the
track will not accept entries for horses owned in partnership
with Judy Taylor, the mother of Howard Taylor, and that her
interests must be divested by June 1.
The move puts some of the best 3-year-olds back into limbo.
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The question I have is this going too far or not?
This certainly creates a shitfest for the partners of Taylor who are being penalized.
Overall, I think we can all agree with Gural in trying to clean up the industry but is this going too far?. People like Taylor have spent millions of dollars in purchases, and it has a ripple down affect. Gural apparently has the right to exclude whoever, but it also looks like there is a lot more animosity than these so-called drugs being purchased by an owner.
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https://www.harnessracingupdate.com/pdf/hru/hru052624.pdf
Meadowlands owner Jeff Gural served notice this week that the
track will not accept entries for horses owned in partnership
with Judy Taylor, the mother of Howard Taylor, and that her
interests must be divested by June 1.
The move puts some of the best 3-year-olds back into limbo.
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The question I have is this going too far or not?
This certainly creates a shitfest for the partners of Taylor who are being penalized.
Overall, I think we can all agree with Gural in trying to clean up the industry but is this going too far?. People like Taylor have spent millions of dollars in purchases, and it has a ripple down affect. Gural apparently has the right to exclude whoever, but it also looks like there is a lot more animosity than these so-called drugs being purchased by an owner.
You lie with dogs, you get fleas.
Punishing owners is 100% necessary.
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Yeah, I agree.
They pay the bills.
I don't know how this will all turn out but if an owner or three are held responsible then it will be a deterrent to others.
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You lie with dogs, you get fleas.
Punishing owners is 100% necessary.
CORRECT! tmbz1 tmbz1
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This is definitely turning into a who has a bigger dick contest. Everyone knows Gural picks and chooses who he wants at the meadowlands and there is no science behind it other than he does what he wants. On the other hand there is no doubt the ownership was transferred to Judy because to try and get them through the box. Correct she has been in harness racing for years but not to all of sudden just buy Howard out.
I don’t think Gurals unfair way of picking who is allowed to race at his tracks are exceptable. But I do like how Howard is getting a hard time for all the years of representing all the cheats in the business
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Karma is a bitch Howie! Sucks to get treated like a regular shmuck don’t it?
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Seems to fit the description of a BEARD.
To have people bring into this discussion How much money they spend or how long they have owned horses is a non factor.
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This is definitely turning into a who has a bigger dick contest.
Both of these guys have micro penises
Their dads had a few bucks so they are relevant or at least think they are both are jag offs
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This "feud" is a win-win for all racing fans.
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LET HT RACE..
HES A GOOD GUY AND FELLOW HEBREW tmbz1
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Gural isn’t trying to clean up shit look at half of those guys in the program all a bunch of crooks with numerous positives over the past two or three years. Also do you think Howard Taylor is stupid enough to order illegal drugs from a veterinarian to give to his trainer he’s not that desperate for money and I know for a fact he’s not that stupid.
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Gural isn’t trying to clean up shit look at half of those guys in the program all a bunch of crooks with numerous positives over the past two or three years. Also do you think Howard Taylor is stupid enough to order illegal drugs from a veterinarian to give to his trainer he’s not that desperate for money and I know for a fact he’s not that stupid.
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Gural isn’t trying to clean up shit look at half of those guys in the program all a bunch of crooks with numerous positives over the past two or three years. Also do you think Howard Taylor is stupid enough to order illegal drugs from a veterinarian to give to his trainer he’s not that desperate for money and I know for a fact he’s not that stupid.
He is that Stupid because he did it. It’s right there in black and white proof. He doesn’t need the money, although his kind never have enough, but he did it for the ego. These kind of guys wanna win and beat others to feed their ego and hold that trophy up in the winner’s circle. They let a guy with larceny in him to throw money in the business so this is what they get. Most guys with big money are shady or into something shady.
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He is that Stupid because he did it. It’s right there in black and white proof. He doesn’t need the money, although his kind never have enough, but he did it for the ego. These kind of guys wanna win and beat others to feed their ego and hold that trophy up in the winner’s circle. They let a guy with larceny in him to throw money in the business so this is what they get. Most guys with big money are shady or into something shady.
Completely agree. Guys like him don’t think rules apply to them. This was going on for so long they became blatant about the whole thing. He ordered it! What do you think he was going to do with it? People need to stop defending this clown and others. Why is Jen allowed there? What did she have to do to get back in?
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Gural isn’t trying to clean up shit look at half of those guys in the program all a bunch of crooks with numerous positives over the past two or three years. Also do you think Howard Taylor is stupid enough to order illegal drugs from a veterinarian to give to his trainer he’s not that desperate for money and I know for a fact he’s not that stupid.
You moron. He actually admitted to ordering and paying for it. The question is whether it was EPO. The product was called BB3. Apparently it was Fishman's self manufactured EPO.
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Taylor should give his mother some of the BB3, piece of garbage that he is
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Now he is trying to put the horses in his son in laws name
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Nick Surick already turned him down. He wanted nothing to do with the MF.
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You moron. He actually admitted to ordering and paying for it. The question is whether it was EPO. The product was called BB3. Apparently it was Fishman's self manufactured EPO.
I didn't know he admitted it. OK, Fuck him
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You moron. He actually admitted to ordering and paying for it. The question is whether it was EPO. The product was called BB3. Apparently it was Fishman's self manufactured EPO.
That question was already answered Mike. BB3 was determined by FBI to be an EPO mimetic-which if you read the rules-is a Class1 positive-so for all intents and purposes-its classified as the same as EPO. In some racing jurisdictions--its an automatic life suspension.
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Im actually amazed Howard Taylor opened a can of worms and sued Gural.
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That question was already answered Mike. BB3 was determined by FBI to be an EPO mimetic-which if you read the rules-is a Class1 positive-so for all intents and purposes-its classified as the same as EPO. In some racing jurisdictions--its an automatic life suspension. It also wasnt as if this was a one time deal--it was ordered on numerous occasions--so many horses would have been administered this stuff.
Im actually amazed Howard Taylor opened a can of worms and sued Gural.
Because howard thinks he is above the law. Fuck he represents all of the cheats in the business and get them off or way reduced sentence so why not use the same tactics to get himself off and cheat the business
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CORRECT! tmbz1 tmbz1
Absolutely! tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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https://www.harnessracingupdate.com/pdf/hru/hru052624.pdf
Meadowlands owner Jeff Gural served notice this week that the
track will not accept entries for horses owned in partnership
with Judy Taylor, the mother of Howard Taylor, and that her
interests must be divested by June 1.
The move puts some of the best 3-year-olds back into limbo.
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The question I have is this going too far or not?
This certainly creates a shitfest for the partners of Taylor who are being penalized.
Overall, I think we can all agree with Gural in trying to clean up the industry but is this going too far?. People like Taylor have spent millions of dollars in purchases, and it has a ripple down affect. Gural apparently has the right to exclude whoever, but it also looks like there is a lot more animosity than these so-called drugs being purchased by an owner.
Seriously? He invested millions because he knew it was a fixed game. He was in on the fix and there's proof of it from him buying the EPO. The millions he invested is contributing to the downfall of harness racing. The old farmers that raced the family horses that kept these tracks going aren't around anymore to save it. The evolution of the sport is destroying itself and we all know it and we all see it. We all saw what happened to dog racing once fewer and fewer owners and trainers were involved. My last trip to the dog track had under 20 people in the grandstand all nine races were competed by the same two trainers they both had truckloads of dogs. And then later that year it was banned and made illegal. There was nothing in the news about all the failed drug tests and breakdowns lead weights funneled down their throats to slow em down.
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Ontario has no issue allowing Howard Taylor to race as many as he wants to send up north to race
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DE and PA also welcome him. They have no conscience! tmbz1
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Precursor, like many people in the industry, I know Gural. Long before he took over the Meadowlands. We are not friends. We've both been in the game a long time, I've seen him at numerous tracks, the sales, Harrisburg, Lexington, and so on. I had breakfast with him once and dinner once, and both were circumstantial, not planned. That's it. We are not friends. So, my take, Gural has done more than anyone else to clean up the sport and the industry. Period. If you don't believe that, please, if for whatever reason I forget, please remind me not to respond to you. Thanks. Gural has done a great deal and has given tremendous service to this sport and industry. Right up front, I don't give a damn about his motives, he wants a casino, all the other defections and aspersions, ad BS. He has personally contributed to major, industry-wide investigations, cases, indictments, and so on.
However, and I have said this from day one, moment one.....I do not agree with his lack of a universal standard for barring people. Consistency is certainly not a word that would be used to describe his actions. Lack of, yes. I view this as a major fault. I have seen him at the track, at several events, etc. However, none have been the proper or appropriate forum to question him on this. I have emailed him on this specific subject, not with a calling him out approach, but I did make my points very clear and explicitly asked the question. I received a lengthy, detailed reply. He provided a great deal of information. He brought up some valid points. He went into some specifics. However, none of which resolved what I proposed was a problem. That's OK. I saw Gural at a sale about a month later and he approached me, was pleasant, polite, and treated me the same way he always has going back to when I first met him around 35 years ago.
So while I don't like what may appear to be a pick and choose on who can play and who can't, that doesn't negate everything else that's taken place. It's not perfect. It's not yet ideal. Even ideal is not consistent. People can say this started out, or perhaps became personal. Of course. These two guys were taking jabs at each other back in 2017 on some issues. But the issue, is still the issue. Track ownership may want one thing. The race office may want something else. Throw out a cheating trainer and in no time you will have 3 to 5 more replace him, and you'll have horses from 3 to 5 barns, not one. Everyone said the industry would not survive Brooks being thrown out if his brother wasn't allowed to buy the horses and continue the operation. Brooks had far more horses than Taylor. Simply put.....no one person or operation is bigger than the sport or industry. If one gets to be.....then you have a far bigger problem than the one.
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THE INDUSTRY NEEDS AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY NON-INFLUENCED MANAGEMENT GROUP TO MANAGE AND CONTROL THE INDUSTRY. THE POLITICS INVOLVED IN THIS SPORT IS HORRENDOUS AND IT HAS RUINED EVERTHING FOR THOSE WHO EVEN DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY. THE TRUTH, THE INDUSTRY FROM THE USTA TO THE COMMISSIONS TO THE TRACKS AND OWNERS OF TRACKS NEED THE OUTSIDE 3RD PART CZAR TO RUN THIS BUSINESS THE RIGHT WAY AND TO UTILIZE THE RESOURCES PROPERLY AND FAIRLY TO BENEFIT EVERYONE IN THE INDUSTRY----RICH OR POOR---TRAINER OR DRIVER OR GROOM OR BREEDER OR TRACK OFFICIAL, ETC.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SPORT THAT IS DONE FOR EVERYONE. MY GOD, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. THE INDUSTRY HAS LOST SO MANY BECAUSE THEY CANNOT COMPETE HONESTLY. THEY CANNOT BUY THE PROPER FOOD, EQUIPMENT, EMPLOYEES, ETC.
THIS IS TH PLAYGROUND OF THE RICH AND THE INDUSTRY CANNOT AND WILL NOT SURVIVE AS IT IS TODAY!!!! TERRIBLE AS THE IDUSTRY COULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR SO MANY IF ONLY RUN FAIRLY AND TO BENEFIT ALL EQUALLY
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This whole is playing out how Churchill Downs excluded Bob Baffert for the last couple of years including the Kentucky Derby.. Which this last Derby, Baffert would have had the probably favorite Muth.... They could have switched trainers but the owners decided to stick by Baffert... Opted to run in the Preakness, but then spiked a fever and was scratched.
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Eddie Z you're still a moron, will never change, scum.
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Howard Taylor is a low life that made a living representing the low lifes. Why does any one in here expect that he act in accord to a higher standard he has never been made to learn. HISA eats guys like Howard for breakfast and shits them out by noon. Guy is getting his just deserts.tmbz1
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Why doesn't GURAL clean up his own staff........The RACE SECRETARY for all of his tracks has hidden his ownership for years.......this is not rumor or gossip........thi s is the truth from the very lips of the RACE SECRETARY himself to me.......
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Why doesn't GURAL clean up his own staff........The RACE SECRETARY for all of his tracks has hidden his ownership for years.......this is not rumor or gossip........thi s is the truth from the very lips of the RACE SECRETARY himself to me.......
Heard the same for many reputable sources over the years. M1 is only interested in cleaning up things that don't effect their day to day. tmbz1
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Why doesn't GURAL clean up his own staff........The RACE SECRETARY for all of his tracks has hidden his ownership for years.......this is not rumor or gossip........thi s is the truth from the very lips of the RACE SECRETARY himself to me.......
Why don't you buy the track and run it your way. Until then, Gural can run it any way he chooses and detractors should either shut the fuck up or find another track to wager or race. I don't understand how everyone hates the way Gural does things and yet everyone that gets thrown out gets a lawyer to fight their way back in.
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I only bet the BigM on stakes nights/days anymore. These regular night cards are tough to watch anymore with exception of a few races. I absolutely hate the MADC crap! I can't believe no one has been hurt yet. But I do agree with your point. His track, his rules. And everyone has the choice to not enter or wager on the product. The mecca of harness racing has fallen way off. Sucks for all involved.
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Everyone seems to be missing the point here. Yes--Howard Taylor is suing Gural for Statements he made about the purchases Howard Taylor made. These have yet to be substantiated by facts as no one has seen the exact purchases of those indicted-and obviously challenged by H.Taylor.
HOWEVER--The REAL reason for Gural banning Howard Taylor and now his mother
-is the vindictive personality Mr Gural has for Howard Taylor when he sued Mr Gural for cancelling the Jersey classic in which h. Taylor had the favorite. Howard Taylor won that case much to the chagrin of Mr Gural. Gural has hated H. Taylor ever since--a testament to the controlling nature Of Mr Gural when it comes to decisions about running his track. He bans people seemingly just on rumors or innuendos or as in the case Of H Taylor-someone who actually was proven to be right in Court --Yet still punished by Mr Gural anyway..
So it seems to me Mr Gural is using the Fishman purchases-as an excuse to ban H. Taylor.
Has to be because why doesnt he ban everyone on the Fishman list????
I now believe Howard Taylor will beat Mr Gural once again in Court.
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I think they should all be banned. Not sure he will win in court due the billing records. He was still in the wrong based on that. He doesn't have to be fair. It's his sandbox.
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Why don't you buy the track and run it your way. Until then, Gural can run it any way he chooses and detractors should either shut the fuck up or find another track to wager or race. I don't understand how everyone hates the way Gural does things and yet everyone that gets thrown out gets a lawyer to fight their way back in.
Every post that you make belittles everyone's previous post.........what are you so angry about......you are entitled to your own opinion, but let everyone else post their thoughts without the constant attacks....no worries
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Every post that you make belittles everyone's previous post.........what are you so angry about......you are entitled to your own opinion, but let everyone else post their thoughts without the constant attacks....no worries
He is still trying to figure out that handle doesnt affect purses
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Everyone seems to be missing the point here. Yes--Howard Taylor is suing Gural for Statements he made about the purchases Howard Taylor made. These have yet to be substantiated by facts as no one has seen the exact purchases of those indicted-and obviously challenged by H.Taylor.
HOWEVER--The REAL reason for Gural banning Howard Taylor and now his mother
-is the vindictive personality Mr Gural has for Howard Taylor when he sued Mr Gural for cancelling the Jersey classic in which h. Taylor had the favorite. Howard Taylor won that case much to the chagrin of Mr Gural. Gural has hated H. Taylor ever since--a testament to the controlling nature Of Mr Gural when it comes to decisions about running his track. He bans people seemingly just on rumors or innuendos or as in the case Of H Taylor-someone who actually was proven to be right in Court --Yet still punished by Mr Gural anyway..
So it seems to me Mr Gural is using the Fishman purchases-as an excuse to ban H. Taylor.
Has to be because why doesnt he ban everyone on the Fishman list????
I now believe Howard Taylor will beat Mr Gural once again in Court.
I agree with all your saying Bond. What happened was that Howard found out Gutal wasn’t going to budge so he tried to make his mom a paper owner for his shares of the horses. Where Howard fucked up is he should have done this either by either selling to someone other than his mom or make her a paper owner earlier than June. Howard expected to get his way. I’m by no means am sticking up for Gural but Howard has been representing the cheats of the sports for years and finding ways around everything and he tried to do it here also and it didn’t work
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The New Jersey Horsemen should be kissing this "Golden Jews" ass for what he's done for harness racing.
Mr. Gural thank you for all the good you have done for our sport we greatly appreciate it!!
Disclaimer: I mean nothing racial by the statement "Golden Jew". For all you haters out there you can go fuck yourselves.
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He is still trying to figure out that handle doesnt affect purses
I did figure out one thing and that is you are a grade A douchebag.
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Every post that you make belittles everyone's previous post.........what are you so angry about......you are entitled to your own opinion, but let everyone else post their thoughts without the constant attacks....no worries
grow a pair pussy
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The New Jersey Horsemen should be kissing this "Golden Jews" ass for what he's done for harness racing.
Mr. Gural thank you for all the good you have done for our sport we greatly appreciate it!!
Disclaimer: I mean nothing racial by the statement "Golden Jew". For all you haters out there you can go fuck yourselves.
Racial? Jew? You aren't even competent as a racist or being anti-semitic. Why am I not surprised at all.
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To me, it is clear and simple: "Too many cooks spoil the broth." When you have mega egos with substantial skin in the game, each believing and acting as if they were more important than the game itself, this is what you get.
Harness racing is a rudderless ship. It is just floating along and goes in the direction the tide and currents will take it.
We need a commission and a Chairman of the Board. The current system of who thinks they are entitled and smarter than the others is extremely self destructive.
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I did figure out one thing and that is you are a grade A douchebag.
Good comeback
well thought out
insightful, riveting
ignorant pompous know it alls like you always fall back on the childish, playground attacks which make you the laughing stock of this forum 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
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Racial? Jew? You aren't even competent as a racist or being anti-semitic. Why am I not surprised at all.
You obviously didn’t read my post thoroughly! I am praising the “Golden Jew” dummy. If it wasn’t for this man, there would be no harness racing to speak of in New Jersey.
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Good comeback
well thought out
insightful, riveting
ignorant pompous know it alls like you always fall back on the childish, playground attacks which make you the laughing stock of this forum 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
I just have to know...How do you enter such eloquent, well thought out and perfectly typed posts with a dick in your mouth, ass and both hands. You my friend are one talented faggot.
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To me, it is clear and simple: "Too many cooks spoil the broth." When you have mega egos with substantial skin in the game, each believing and acting as if they were more important than the game itself, this is what you get.
Harness racing is a rudderless ship. It is just floating along and goes in the direction the tide and currents will take it.
We need a commission and a Chairman of the Board. The current system of who thinks they are entitled and smarter than the others is extremely self destructive.
tmbz1-Totally agree. Monopolies are never good for the people in general. Mr. Gural obviously has helped racing greatly and is appreciated for doing so. However, being a monopoly and having an attitude of being the sole Judge and Jury-is terrible for the participants.
I remember as a young kid-one of my friends started a game of ringers(marbles) with my friends. I happened to be better than them at the game-so the kid "banned" me from playing!! Some of my friends didn't like it and left with me--but others did --as now they had a chance to win. I always looked upon that kid as an ahole after that, but he "owned" the game and so made the rules.
Mr. Gural reminds me of that kid.
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tmbz1-Totally agree. Monopolies are never good for the people in general. Mr. Gural obviously has helped racing greatly and is appreciated for doing so. However, being a monopoly and having an attitude of being the sole Judge and Jury-is terrible for the participants.
I remember as a young kid-one of my friends started a game of ringers(marbles) with my friends. I happened to be better than them at the game-so the kid "banned" me from playing!! Some of my friends didn't like it and left with me--but others did --as now they had a chance to win. I always looked upon that kid as an ahole after that, but he "owned" the game and so made the rules.
Mr. Gural reminds me of that kid.
Looks like the world we live in now in 2024 with how politics shapes how we see things!!
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To me, it is clear and simple: "Too many cooks spoil the broth." When you have mega egos with substantial skin in the game, each believing and acting as if they were more important than the game itself, this is what you get.
Harness racing is a rudderless ship. It is just floating along and goes in the direction the tide and currents will take it.
We need a commission and a Chairman of the Board. The current system of who thinks they are entitled and smarter than the others is extremely self destructive.
Rudderless ship? Not even that big. Harness racing is more like a river raft without a paddle.