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Title: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Chips N Salsa on June 01, 2024, 08:17:48 PM
Nice horse but not a great horse.  Take him to Sire Stakes.  He doesn't have the tools to win the big ones.
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Harness Stats on June 01, 2024, 08:26:21 PM
You try making up ground in a 53.2 last half off weak cover. I doubt if he's eligible to NYSS, he's never been off of a big track in his life. He'll be fine.
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: ferdinand the bull on June 01, 2024, 08:34:49 PM
If he doesn't get another mopey drive he will be fine
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Chips N Salsa on June 01, 2024, 08:53:44 PM
Driver is also a TOOL to win.  James o Mac is not a stake driver.  With him and the fact the horse can't leave he won't be a player.
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: LUCPARK on June 01, 2024, 09:01:08 PM
Horse has to start leaving a little

Can’t give up thst much ground alwsys
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Chips N Salsa on June 01, 2024, 09:39:33 PM
Horse has to start leaving a little

Can’t give up thst much ground alwsys

The horse CAN'T leave and Cassie hasn't trained him to leave.  He will always be a victim of pace and if they walk the dog to half or 3/4 he has no shot against good horses.
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Par Four on June 01, 2024, 10:13:44 PM
Driver is also a TOOL to win.  James o Mac is not a stake driver.  With him and the fact the horse can't leave he won't be a player.

Even his brother says he drives too conservative at times
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Chips N Salsa on June 02, 2024, 12:17:26 AM
That may be but I haven't seen to many Huntsville big lopey gaited rats that can leave the gate with the steam it takes in big one.  Now, if James tries to smoke with wings everyone will look over and hang him for life because he gets no respect.  The horse has no respect and is easily beaten against the top dogs.
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: No passing lane 4U on June 02, 2024, 12:40:42 AM
You try making up ground in a 53.2 last half off weak cover. I doubt if he's eligible to NYSS, he's never been off of a big track in his life. He'll be fine.
bullshirt he is a beast
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: SDST2009 on June 02, 2024, 01:03:36 AM
The horse CAN'T leave and Cassie hasn't trained him to leave.  He will always be a victim of pace and if they walk the dog to half or 3/4 he has no shot against good horses.

Some of them can't leave. If the horse only has one good move in him, doesn't matter how you train him, that's how it is. He will pick up checks if he can rocket home. But the real good ones have more than one move in them. Maybe be doesn't.
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: whiptherabbit on June 02, 2024, 07:25:09 AM
Big money wasn’t on the line , he was fine, came a big back half to garner the deuce, will be driven more aggressively in the elims & final.
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Chips N Salsa on June 02, 2024, 09:45:17 AM
Some of them can't leave. If the horse only has one good move in him, doesn't matter how you train him, that's how it is. He will pick up checks if he can rocket home. But the real good ones have more than one move in them. Maybe be doesn't.

I agree 100% with that.  He showed the weakness last yr not being able to get into good spot.  coming a big back half only means you walked the first half and didn't get yourself into position.  It's just a way to make the owners feel good "he came back half in 53- so he's a gorilla! LOL problem is he went his first half in 57-  Don't mean jack squat when the race goes 49.3 and your no where close at the half.
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Laag on June 02, 2024, 10:35:53 AM
most real races for big money will not be going to the half that slow so I dont see what the issue is.
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Papillon on June 02, 2024, 10:46:25 AM
i found it humorous in the interview later that Beaton said he was thrilled with the effort

he was a given a no win drive at 1-9 and the trainer was thrilled
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: SDST2009 on June 02, 2024, 02:43:11 PM
I agree 100% with that.  He showed the weakness last yr not being able to get into good spot.  coming a big back half only means you walked the first half and didn't get yourself into position.  It's just a way to make the owners feel good "he came back half in 53- so he's a gorilla! LOL problem is he went his first half in 57-  Don't mean jack squat when the race goes 49.3 and your no where close at the half.

Spot on, sir tmbz1
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: LUCPARK on June 02, 2024, 03:32:10 PM
i found it humorous in the interview later that Beaton said he was thrilled with the effort

he was a given a no win drive at 1-9 and the trainer was thrilled

He’s not a gambler and cry babies like u pigeons

Who bet 1/9 shots ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Harness Stats on June 02, 2024, 09:30:46 PM
For the record he left in the Breeders Crown Final at Hoosier from Post 9 and was the leader at the quarter in 26 flat. 
He ended up in the pocket and had no pace late so maybe he is a one move horse but he's only had 3 starts this year.  Hard to know how much he has at his bottom now. 
Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Papillon on June 02, 2024, 10:31:08 PM
He’s not a gambler and cry babies like u pigeons

Who bet 1/9 shots ngc3 ngc3

Listen pigeon, who said anything about betting?



the point is, the purse was $82k Canadian-his driver gave him a no win effort and the trainer was more than satisfied with it


Title: Re: Legendary Hanover will not be close in NA CUP
Post by: Harness Stats on June 02, 2024, 10:57:31 PM
If I was the trainer I would have been happy with his effort.  He left the gate improved his position a couple horses and had the bad luck to follow a horse who gave no real effort first over.   Next week is the elimination for the Cup, do you think Beaton wanted to gut his horse by trying too hard in a small money non important race.  He doesn't care if the horse was one to nine and neither did JMac. 
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