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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: JENNY FROM THE BLOCK on July 03, 2024, 01:19:03 PM
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id probably pick that vet who trained the shamrock stables years ago at northfield. he was putting lifetime marks on 14 yr olds. he was also tight with fishman. i believe they may have graduated together from the islands.
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I'd have to say Burke. His just get better every race, when every other horse is tired after a brutal season his just get stronger. What is that shit, come on and why didn't Mickey sr take it he would still be breaking the yearlings.
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Pelling or Crogan
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Yimmy or Ake with the help of Brixton Medical
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Whoever has the latest blood builder, breather and pain killer , that isnt locked up yet
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Josh
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Josh
travis alexander would be my guy !!!
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travis alexander would be my guy !!!
funny how you have those too names in the same post. Because I’m told Travis and Josh talk regularly. I know peeple that have heard Travis on loudspeaker while Josh is walking around woodbine racetrack teliing him what to do
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The dirty burrito
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Pelling
Brian or Brett?
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Brian or Brett?
Brett
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Fluff
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id probably pick that vet who trained the shamrock stables years ago at northfield. he was putting lifetime marks on 14 yr olds. he was also tight with fishman. i believe they may have graduated together from the islands.
Frank Pellegrini - Yes he and Fishman were roommates in college.
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travis alexander would be my guy !!!
Travis Alexander is a complete baphoon and knows nothing. He doe take orders well when he gets the orders from Josh.
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Fluff
Newt,
Your not referring to Fluff from the Meadowlands back in the 80’s with
The sleepy eye. I believe his name was John Salle
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Detention barn, or no detention barn?
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Brett
tmbz1
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Oakes
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Fluff and Kurt Watson what a duo . They went out East took the meadowlands for a huge score back in early 80s
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Brett and Crogan we’re using a box of soda and confectionery sugar before anybody even knew what it was. Their horses were running off the screen multi million dollar owners were following them around the paddock like school kids.
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In the 90s Mark Kesmodel.
Today on the main stage: trotter , N Daley / Pacer , Brett Pelling
B - track, Larry Stalbaum.
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Lou Pena had some amazing stuff.
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Frank Pellegrini - Yes he and Fishman were roommates in college.
That's them. Bobby's old vet. He was giving 14 yr old lifetime marks. Trained right out at Sahbra farms. He would give the shirt of his back for you.
If I recall correct he almost beat Burke in the trainer standings at the meadows for wins one year. I believe the trainer of record was shannon wonson. Or ut may of bee aaron Mulrooney. Would of beat Burke if he had the head count that year.
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Oscar Barrera.
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Trainer Oscar Barrera dominated New York racing over a four-year period in the 1980's (photo: Bob Coglianese)
It’s been 30 years since Steven Crist wrote in the New York Times that Thoroughbred trainer Oscar Barrera was running the “best magic show in town.” Barrera was doing things no other trainers dared try, astonishing bettors and fellow horsemen during a remarkable run that took New York horse racing by storm.
When Barrera died in April 1991 after suffering a heart attack at the age of 63, the lead to his Daily Racing Form obituary, written by Fran LaBelle, said: “Oscar Barrera, the miracle man, is dead.”
Mark Hopkins would write in DRF that Barrera “reduced the claiming game to the theater of the absurd.”
Barrera would claim a horse from an early race on a Wednesday and, if the entry box for Friday was still open, might run it back two days later for a higher claiming price – often winning. He would run that same horse again in another three or four days. And again. And again. Barrera once won six races in a single month with the same horse.
“It is doubtful that any trainer, in any country, at any time in the history of the thoroughbred species has performed feats to equal Barrera’s,” Andy Beyer wrote in the Washington Post. “Depending on whether he accomplished them with horsemanship or with chemistry, he either deserved to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame or banished from the sport.”
Whatever Barrera was doing with his horses, whether legal or illegal, he was the talk of racing over a four-year period in the 1980s when he was New York’s leading trainer by wins. After an undistinguished 12 years when he was best known as the younger brother of Hall of Famer Laz Barrera, Oscar burst onto the scene in 1983 with 95 wins, tripling his output from the previous year. He then dominated New York’s claiming ranks until 1987.
The following year, the magic act disappeared. Barrera had a horse test positive for two Class 4 drugs (prednisone and prednisolone, corticosteroids that had a 24-hour withdrawal time) and on May 17, 1988, he began serving a 45-day suspension. When he came back in late July, he saddled 130 starters before winning another race. The losing streak lasted until Jan. 23, 1989.
Barrera won 32 races in 1988, 39 in ‘89 and 28 in ’90 – a far cry from his win totals of just a few years earlier. When he died in 1991, he was on an 0-for-31 run and had won only two of his previous 90 starts.
In his best year, 1984, Barrera won 146 races from 726 starts, and his stable’s earnings totaled $2,339,932.
His winning percentages were low by today’s standards, never going above 21 percent. But some of Barrera’s individual moves were simply amazing.
Chiming Jet, a Tri Jet mare who earlier raced for breeder Fred Hooper, started five times in 22 days, winning twice, finishing second once and third once.
Even better was Teriyaki Stake, a $20,000 Barrera claim that won six consecutive races, all of them in March of 1986: $22,500 claiming races on March 2 and 10; a $35,000 claiming race March 13; a $45,000 claiming race March 21; an allowance race on March 25, and a $47,500 claimer March 31.
The most famous of all was Shifty Sheik, a $35,000 claim in 1984 who won three straight in 13 days for Barrera, then took 10 days off before jumping into Grade 1 company and almost beating champion Slew o’ Gold in the Woodward Stakes.
A son of Damascus, Shifty Sheik was making his 40th lifetime start the day Barrera claimed him. He’d won seven races over four years but had lost seven in a row until the magic act arrived. In his first start for Barrera, Shifty Sheik won by 12 3⁄4 lengths and came within two-fifths of a second off the track record.
“Everyone on the race track suspects that Barrera is feeding his horses something other than hay, oats and water, but no one can prove a thing,” Crist wrote in the New York Times. “The chemists and the investigators have looked and looked, but Barrera's horses keep coming up clean on drug tests. His potion is either legal or undetectable, and he insists it is simply a matter of superior horsemanship. Like any magician, he will not reveal his secrets.”
When asked about Shifty Sheik’s sudden improvement, Barrera was quoted in that same article as saying (keeping a straight face), “I put blinkers on him.”
When Barrera died, Andy Beyer wrote in the Washington Post that “Oscar Barrera was laid to rest Monday in a cemetery not far from Belmont Park, and with him was buried the greatest secret in American racing.”
Racing may have some modern miracle workers with winning percentages upwards of 40 percent, but Oscar Barrera was the original.
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Bill Robinson
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Lou pena
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Maurice charbonneau
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Newt,
Your not referring to Fluff from the Meadowlands back in the 80’s with
The sleepy eye. I believe his name was John Salle
That be him. Worked for Dave Elliott in the 80's.
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John "Tink" Lare is definitely an all time great.
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That be him. Worked for Dave Elliott in the 80's.
I remember hanging out with him in the 80’s , we were eating at The Meadowlands dinner talking about I think the Driscoll final . He was saying that he was betting on a horse in the final and don’t remember who was sitting at the table said he can’t beat Herves horse, Fluff says sure he can, I asked him why he thinks that. Fluff shots back , I’ll just pay 10% to lose.
No shit true story. My jaw dropped
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Bill Robbinson
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That be him. Worked for Dave Elliott in the 80's.
Dave was a good guy. I remember when he started blasting them with the famous OJ In Michigan! I think it was a combination of B12 testosterone sarapin and dexamethasone in the 60 cc Syringe. 2 cc of testosterone when you shook it up, it looked just like orange juice. First time OJ he would bet big!
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RICH CHANSKY JR.!!! THIS GUY LIT 1 UP LIKE THE STATUE OF LIBERTY A BUNCH OF TIMES!!!
THE SWAMP NEEDS MORE GUYS LIKE CHANSKY TO BREATHE NEW LIFE INTO THE JOINT!!! tmbz1
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RICH CHANSKY JR.!!! THIS GUY LIT 1 UP LIKE THE STATUE OF LIBERTY A BUNCH OF TIMES!!!
THE SWAMP NEEDS MORE GUYS LIKE CHANSKY TO BREATHE NEW LIFE INTO THE JOINT!!! tmbz1
Yeah he was hooked up with that piece of dog shit cheater Rene Poulin who would fuck his own mother if he could.
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That's them. Bobby's old vet. He was giving 14 yr old lifetime marks. Trained right out at Sahbra farms. He would give the shirt of his back for you.
If I recall correct he almost beat Burke in the trainer standings at the meadows for wins one year. I believe the trainer of record was shannon wonson. Or ut may of bee aaron Mulrooney. Would of beat Burke if he had the head count that year.
Yes it was aaron mulroony and shamrock stables. He was batting .450 but I believe he got a posititive on black ice.
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Joe Anderson or super lou Pena
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Josh Marks out East . Joe Anderson here . Paul Jessop west coast .
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Chris Ryder tmbz1
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Yes it was aaron mulroony and shamrock stables. He was batting .450 but I believe he got a posititive on black ice.
I remember Mulroney coming over here to the Meadows, they put him 24 hr retention barn and we still couldn’t beat him. I thought they got caught on the Downunder Blue Magic.
Frank P was believed to be the Mastermind I thought
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yes it was either blue magic or black ice. I don't know if Blue Magic is given 24hrs out and work?
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Justin Abbott might have been the best I ever witnessed.
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Barrera article was amazing. Running horse back in 2 days wow. I thought Pete Ferreila..pistol Pete had a bug name as well, not like Oscar b. Wasn't Jeff mullins...winning like crazy in calif years back.
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If the pre-race was at Yonkers, it would be Bako. Second choice would be Alexander.
Pocono - Eckley or Alexander.
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Big baby has the best drench going right now sends them things into orbit
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Back in the Foxboro and then Monticeelo days, Colen Mosher. After totally dominating Foxboro, he then shipped to Monticello after Foxboro closed. He then won 20 or his first 21 starts.
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He was the man in those days.
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Colen and Cleo mother with zeke doing the driving out east were very formidable in the 80s
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Yes it was aaron mulroony and shamrock stables. He was batting .450 but I believe he got a posititive on black ice.
Mm I don't know about that. Not unless 'black ice' is what the kids are calling an elevated CO2 result these days and you're just moving the goalposts accordingly. It probably just sounds believable and satisfying for its exotic and nefarious quality. But to my knowledge there's never been a positive for it. I think it was a term Pelligrini threw out there to send the overzealous Richard Sams into the tailspin that resulted in the Aminorex debacle of his making. Not to be construed as a defense for the guy, because he really was something of an asshole. However, documented, demonstrable facts, objective reality, and science are nice...
*Aaron Mulrooney
2004 304 starts $368,536 .501 average.
10-17-04 High TCo2 at Raceway Park on a horse (Clincher) which finished 5th. Suspended 1 year and fined $1000. 5th place and the rubes are still going for the soda being a magic performance enhancer spiel though no one is actually testing for and proving the administration of a substance; and the science has been screaming otherwise for going on nearly two decades now already!
The following is an exchange conducted on the Yahoo! Harnesslist news group I picked up on and posted elsewhere in '06:
Subject: [harnesslist] Lactic Acid Not a Foe
"Upon his retirement a distinguished chemistry professor
was asked if he had any regrets about his long career. "Yes," he
replied, "I regret having flunked so many students for failing to learn what we now know is not true."
For years horsemen have been fighting lactic acid with
baking soda and racing commissions have been penalizing them for their efforts. Apparently both sides have had it wrong for a long time.
The following is from the NY Times."
-Russ
May 16, 2006
Lactic Acid Is Not Muscles' Foe, It's Fuel
By GINA KOLATA
"Everyone who has even thought about exercising has heard
the warnings about lactic acid. It builds up in your muscles. It is what makes your muscles burn. Its buildup is what makes your muscles tire and give out. Coaches and personal trainers tell athletes and
exercisers that they have to learn to work out at just below their "lactic threshold," that point of diminishing returns when lactic acid starts to accumulate. Some athletes even have blood tests to find their personal lactic thresholds. But that, it turns out, is all wrong. Lactic acid is actually a fuel, not a caustic waste product. Muscles make it deliberately, producing it from glucose, and they burn it to obtain energy. The reason trained athletes can perform so hard and so long is because their intense training causes their muscles to adapt so they more readily and efficiently absorb lactic acid.
The notion that lactic acid was bad took hold more than
a century ago, said George A. Brooks, a professor in the department of integrative biology at the University of California, Berkeley. It stuck because it seemed to make so much sense. "It's one of the classic mistakes in the history of science," Dr. Brooks said. Its origins lie in a study by a Nobel laureate, Otto Meyerhof, who in the early years of the 20th century cut a frog in half and put its bottom half in a jar. The frog's muscles had no circulation - no source of oxygen or energy. Dr. Myerhoff gave the frog's leg electric shocks to make the muscles contract, but after a few twitches, the muscles stopped moving. Then, when Dr. Myerhoff examined the muscles, he discovered that they were bathed in lactic acid. A theory was born. Lack of oxygen to muscles leads to lactic acid, leads to fatigue. Athletes were told that they should spend most of their effort exercising aerobically, using glucose as a fuel. If they tried to spend too much time exercising harder, in the anaerobic zone, they were told, they would pay a price, that lactic acid would accumulate in the muscles, forcing them to stop. Few scientists questioned this view, Dr. Brooks said. But, he said, he became interested in it in the 1960's, when he was running track at Queens College and his coach told him that his performance was limited by a buildup of lactic acid. When he graduated and began working on a Ph.D. in exercise physiology, he decided to study the lactic acid hypothesis for his dissertation. "I gave rats radioactive lactic acid, and I found that they burned it faster than anything else I could give them," Dr. Brooks said. It looked as if lactic acid was there for a reason. It was a source of energy. Dr. Brooks said he published the finding in the late 70's.
Other researchers challenged him at meetings and in print.
"I had huge fights, I had terrible trouble getting my
grants funded, I had my papers rejected," Dr. Brooks recalled. But he
soldiered on, conducting more elaborate studies with rats and, years later, moving on to humans. Every time, with every study, his results were consistent with his radical idea. Eventually, other researchers confirmed the work. And gradually, the thinking among exercise physiologists began to change.
"The evidence has continued to mount," said L. Bruce Gladden, a professor of health and human performance at Auburn University. "It became clear that it is not so simple as to say, Lactic acid is a bad thing and it causes fatigue."
As for the idea that lactic acid causes muscle soreness, Dr. Gladden said, that never made sense. "Lactic acid will be gone from your muscles within an hour of exercise," he said. "You get sore one to three days later. The time frame is not consistent, and the mechanisms have not been found."
The understanding now is that muscle cells convert
glucose or glycogen to lactic acid. The lactic acid is taken up and used as a fuel by mitochondria, the energy factories in muscle cells.
Mitochondria even have a special transporter protein to move the substance into them, Dr. Brooks found. Intense training makes a difference, he said, because it can make double the mitochondrial mass.
It is clear that the old lactic acid theory cannot explain what is happening to muscles, Dr. Brooks and others said.
Yet, Dr. Brooks said, even though coaches often believed
in the myth of the lactic acid threshold, they ended up training athletes in the best way possible to increase their mitochondria. "Coaches have understood things the scientists didn't," he said.
Through trial and error, coaches learned that athletic
performance improved when athletes worked on endurance, running longer and longer distances, for example.
That, it turns out, increased the mass of their muscle
mitochondria, letting them burn more lactic acid and allowing the muscles to work harder and longer. Just before a race, coaches often tell athletes to train very hard in brief spurts. That extra stress increases the mitochondria mass even more, Dr. Brooks said, and is the reason for improved performance. And the scientists? They took much longer to figure it out. "They said, 'You're anaerobic, you need more oxygen,' Dr.Brooks said. "The scientists were stuck in 1920." "
"Ivers was telling people this for years before his passing."
-Dean
"You are right about Ivers. In fact he developed some
Nutrition formulas aimed at facilitating the use of lactic acid as a
fuel. One of the more interesting conversations I had with him was
when he went into detail regarding a study he was doing with a group in
South Africa. He was studying the conversion of lactic acid to a fuel in racing pigeons. Apparently the racing pigeon folks are far ahead of
horse people in applying science to racing."
-Russ
"The real point of all this is that testing for milkshaking, the way they are doing it, is a fool's errand. Stupidity at the very top. What is sad is how many positives there are going to be from guys who never gave anything but what is called legal--like Lasix. God help the guy if he happens to be winning "more than his share" at the time. " –Tom Ivers
"The joke is, they're not doing themselves any favors with that approach. Blood buffering is not the key. Intramuscular buffering, a different concept, is one of the keys. Higher post race lactate is the goal, because what that tells you is that you've processed more glycogen during the race." -Tom Ivers
Cue the whiners not liking the message who'll circumvent a proper, substantive attack against it by attacking me or the length of the post instead.
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PELLEGRINI WAS THE MAN. NOT ONLY DID HELP BIG BOB AND OTHER BIG STABLES. HE WOULD ALSO HELP THE LITTLE GUY IN THE BUSINESS. OFTEN DOING WORK FOR FREE. WHEN THEY WERE ON GO THEY DIDNT LOSE.
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Back in the days of the potent/dangerous M99 nothing else came close or was needed.!! That euphoric state of the mind overcame soundness, anxiety, tie up, attitude, bleeding n breathing issues all at once. Scary shit !!
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Back in the days of the potent/dangerous M99 nothing else came close or was needed.!! That euphoric state of the mind overcame soundness, anxiety, tie up, attitude, bleeding n breathing issues all at once. Scary shit !!
Is that the magic potion Ed Holdeman from Chicago was using? He came to the Meadowlands and took the place by storm. The storm didn't last long, LOL.
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Newt,
Your not referring to Fluff from the Meadowlands back in the 80’s with
The sleepy eye. I believe his name was John Salle
Fluff, who worked for George Berkner around/in the early 90's (when he had Hit The Bid and Goalie Jeff)?
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DR.BOKMAN. For RON BURKE. !!! Period
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PELLEGRINI WAS THE MAN. NOT ONLY DID HELP BIG BOB AND OTHER BIG STABLES. HE WOULD ALSO HELP THE LITTLE GUY IN THE BUSINESS. OFTEN DOING WORK FOR FREE. WHEN THEY WERE ON GO THEY DIDNT LOSE.
No argument there. He was a good man for sure. No matter the species of animal either, he was there whenever you called for help - any hour of the day or night asking nothing in return for himself. I wasn't on the scene yet when he had his parting of the ways with Fishman, but I get the sense from what I've heard it had more to do with Fishman being all about Fishman, and what was in it for him making the two of them nothing alike and fundamentally incompatible business partners.
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Fluff, who worked for George Berkner around/in the early 90's (when he had Hit The Bid and Goalie Jeff)?
Berkner had Goalie Jeff? Yeah right. Prove it.
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Berkner had Goalie Jeff? Yeah right. Prove it.
Sure did. Bought him as a yearling. Broke him and trained him as a 2yo and 3yo. Sold him to Tom Artandi. Go do your homework. Do it slow or else you'll hurt yourself. Listen, please keep posting and spouting off. I tell everyone, let's not force the stupid people to be quiet. I want everyone to see who the morons are. No go back and play in the corner. Men are talking. Bitch.
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Anyone else want to jump on the "prove it" bandwagon? Goalie Jeff? George Berkner? Too bad he died, perhaps we could have actually come here and told us the story. Wow, there's a concept, the truth, first-hand, from someone directly involved. LOL.
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No argument there. He was a good man for sure. No matter the species of animal either, he was there whenever you called for help - any hour of the day or night asking nothing in return for himself. I wasn't on the scene yet when he had his parting of the ways with Fishman, but I get the sense from what I've heard it had more to do with Fishman being all about Fishman, and what was in it for him making the two of them nothing alike and fundamentally incompatible business partners.
ALL FACTS
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Sure did. Bought him as a yearling. Broke him and trained him as a 2yo and 3yo. Sold him to Tom Artandi. Go do your homework. Do it slow or else you'll hurt yourself. Listen, please keep posting and spouting off. I tell everyone, let's not force the stupid people to be quiet. I want everyone to see who the morons are. No go back and play in the corner. Men are talking. Bitch.
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Are you sure? Maybe we should have to prove it to the mentally challenged? LOL. I remember him a yearling. I think his name was Leapin Lizards. He looked really good, but (according to Berkner) he these veins that seemed to wrap around a tendon and he had it on both legs. Berkner said people would be worried about that and that he would bow. George thought he'd get him for $50k. He got him for $32k. His other colt that year was Hit The Bid. Fast as hell!
But, no, this entire story is not true. We have to prove it. It is fabricated. But, men, people who know, people who are actually in the business, can just watch the mentally challenged walk around all day, drool, talk to themselves, and just let them bang their head against the wall. Sad actually.
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ALL FACTS
Did racing ever do anything to recognize him for his efforts to solve the mystery of those false aminorex positives that existed as a black eye on the industry? Assuming they didn't because that would just be par for the course, it's never too late for racing to finally do the right thing and at least honor him posthumously for his contributions...
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i dont think they did. he was borderline genius when it came to that stuff. and yes they should.
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Berkner had Goalie Jeff? Yeah right. Prove it.
Sure did. Bought him as a yearling. Broke him and trained him as a 2yo and 3yo. Sold him to Tom Artandi. Go do your homework. Do it slow or else you'll hurt yourself. Listen, please keep posting and spouting off. I tell everyone, let's not force the stupid people to be quiet. I want everyone to see who the morons are. No go back and play in the corner. Men are talking. Bitch.
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Are we still waiting for a reply here? LOL. Prove it?
Here's my point----Berkner had Goalie Jeff, and WTF cares about who is right and who is wrong. What happens here is when someone disagrees with your opinion, says something you don't agree with, you don't like, whatever----and all you do is start to bitch and name-call? No discussion. No intellect. Just name-call and insult. To me......That's what a punk does. That's what a bitch does.
Next time you want to say prove it, be a man about it. Show some common courtesy. Just because you don't like what someone says or how they say it.....doesn't mean you have to be a classless piece of shit about it.
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Are we still waiting for a reply here? LOL. Prove it?
Here's my point----Berkner had Goalie Jeff, and WTF cares about who is right and who is wrong. What happens here is when someone disagrees with your opinion, says something you don't agree with, you don't like, whatever----and all you do is start to bitch and name-call? No discussion. No intellect. Just name-call and insult. To me......That's what a punk does. That's what a bitch does.
Next time you want to say prove it, be a man about it. Show some common courtesy. Just because you don't like what someone says or how they say it.....doesn't mean you have to be a classless piece of shit about it.
I post, reply and or respond what I want to and when I want to and that is especially true when it involves someone with your background/makeup.
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I post, reply and or respond what I want to and when I want to and that is especially true when it involves someone with your background/makeup.
Just like I said. At least everyone knows how you will react when someone-----disagrees with you, has an opinion different than yours, posts something you don't like, or, even worse, God forbid, when you are wrong----at least you're predictable. BTW, are you sure Berkner didn't have Goalie Jeff? Prove it, right? LOL. Call Tom Artandi and ask him. Nah, you'd rather just name-call and deflect away from being wrong.
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Joe Anderson
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Cassie