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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: macdaddi on July 08, 2024, 08:44:03 AM
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What a day for racing at Pocono Downs with some super impressive two yr old colts racing. Dreamboat Hanover who has been called by someone in the industry the next Niatross, comes off an easy win in 152. Inflation Proof comes off a stunning win in 153 over the sloppy going.
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I don’t think Niatross raced at Pocono!
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Don't think there was a Pocono back then but that's not what he's trying to say. I won't say off of one start that anyone is a world beater until they go under 50 first time out.
Railroad Station went a big trip from an outside post in his last all over the track for Burke and still finished in 26. Watch out for him.
Finally a message to our beloved Pocono handicapper. About damn time tmbz1, aside from one spelling error in the header no major complaints. Keep writing like this Brian and you will never hear me put you down again. (Unless you say something stupid ngc3 )
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Don't think there was a Pocono back then but that's not what he's trying to say.
I raced at Pocono in the early 70's.
Niatross was a foal of 1977.
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Pretty bold statement after one start. Please name someone in the industry that said this!
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I raced at Pocono in the early 70's.
Niatross was a foal of 1977.
No problem. My memory for that stuff is long gone. I never went to Pocono so I have no clue.
Still that's not the topic here. How good is Dreamboat Hanover? IMO his maternal line is very weak, he's a gelding, and is trained by a Schaedel. A comparison to Niatross is really not warranted here.
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Niagara Dream wan't anything special. 2:10 mare
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Yes, Niatross was a Freak of Nature, he overcame his breeding but where are his descendants now? I don't think you should compare a gelding with a stud either. He can't even leave a legacy unless he becomes a World Champion.
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Yes, Niatross was a Freak of Nature, he overcame his breeding but where are his descendants now? I don't think you should compare a gelding with a stud either. He can't even leave a legacy unless he becomes a World Champion.
Next FOILED AGAIN? tmbz1
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Did no one else see Swingtown win Saturday night.
Another Ohio bred who's going to win Grand Circuit Stake races.
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What a day for racing at Pocono Downs with some super impressive two yr old colts racing. Dreamboat Hanover who has been called by someone in the industry the next Niatross, comes off an easy win in 152. Inflation Proof comes off a stunning win in 153 over the sloppy going.
Buffoon type statement
a gelding driven by Andy Miller coming off a false fast mile-now you say "someone in the industry" says Niatross?
i think you are a clock staring dope who doesnt watch races and thinks every 2yo who wins their first race is Niatross
idiot--you are the one saying he is Niatross
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Pretty bold statement after one start. Please name someone in the industry that said this!
Buffoon type statement
a gelding driven by Andy Miller coming off a false fast mile-now you say "someone in the industry" says Niatross?
i think you are a clock staring dope who doesnt watch races and thinks every 2yo who wins their first race is Niatross
idiot--you are the one saying he is Niatross
Macdaddi aka Brian Macevoy the Pocono track handicapper didn't say this he just repeated something he saw. Murray Brown wrote an article for HRU. This quote is from his interview with Schadel.
"There are some who say that you have a 2-year-old named Dreamboat Hanover, who may with time become one of our greats. Greg Wasiluk posted on Facebook something to the effect of ‘I think I just saw the next Niatross’ after his last win at Pocono Downs. "
The article also said he isin't staked to much this year other than PASS but is eligible to just about everything next year.
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OK-Brian just trying to promote Pocono
makes sense now
any 2yo who wins their debut at Pocono is the next "all time great"
i get it
ty
he probably thinks Sebastian K was the greatest trotter ever
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Did no one else see Swingtown win Saturday night.
Another Ohio bred who's going to win Grand Circuit Stake races.
Now this is a well bred horse. Downbytheseaside/Swinging Beauty. She won over $800,000 took a record of 49.4 and is from the family of Tall Dark Stranger and all of Avritt's super mares. He's a brother to Whichwaytothebeac h and Captain Barbossa. Don't know if he is staked to Grand Circuit but this one might be special.
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I won't dive into the drama pool, but I will say this.....you may think Murray Brown may be a decent writer. That's up to you. You may think he is well versed on pedigree. Again, up to you. However, Murray Brown doesn't know shit about having an eye for racing talent. Period. He only knows what he regurgitates from people he talks to. At one time, he talked to people who knew, but they are all gone now (Ronnie Gurfein being his main expert opinion). Now, if Bob Marks saw the colt, I would give his opinion some credibility. If Les Stark saw him, I might give his opinion some credibility. Several others too, but I won't mention their names.
Just remember, every year, John Campbell drove a 2yo that was "perhaps the greatest 2you I have ever driven." LOL.
I'm looking forward to seeing this colt, like all the other ones people talk about.
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Murray Brown just interviewed Schadel he never saw the horse and not one word he wrote was based on his own personal experience or his "eye for talent"
Just saying...
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Murray Brown is so full of shit on most things! I think it's definitely a nice horse, but don't say stupid things like that!
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Now this is a well bred horse. Downbytheseaside/Swinging Beauty. She won over $800,000 took a record of 49.4 and is from the family of Tall Dark Stranger and all of Avritt's super mares. He's a brother to Whichwaytothebeac h and Captain Barbossa. Don't know if he is staked to Grand Circuit but this one might be special.
Burke's owners paid 160K for him
You can bet he's staked to everything
I don't ever recall seeing a driver pull out of the pocket and immediately grab a hold his horse, knowing how much the best he was
That was fucking impressive
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Burke's owners paid 160K for him
You can bet he's staked to everything
I don't ever recall seeing a driver pull out of the pocket and immediately grab a hold his horse, knowing how much the best he was
That was fucking impressive
Yes, he appears to be staked to everything, even the Metro. Very astute comments about this colt. Page was visibly restraining this colt after he exploded from the pocket.
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Railroad Station went a big trip from an outside post in his last all over the track for Burke and still finished in 26. Watch out for him.
He won the first division today in 51.1 tying the current fastest mile for a 2 year old, and probably could have gone faster. You don't see a too many young horses survive a 54.1 half like that. Very Impressive.
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No problem. My memory for that stuff is long gone. I never went to Pocono so I have no clue.
Still that's not the topic here. How good is Dreamboat Hanover? IMO his maternal line is very weak, he's a gelding, and is trained by a Schaedel. A comparison to Niatross is really not warranted here.
I don't know about "very weak" -- maternal family did produce The Panderosa, among others. And Dreamboat's dam was a 300K winner and is a million-dollar producer -- best being Done Well with over 700K made. Question is: Why did this first crop Papi Rob slip through for 10K?
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They said he was toed in. I will agree that there is something there maternally. When I looked up his dam in the pedigree database it did not show Done Well. He was one of my favorite horses for a while so I wouldn't have said very weak if the database was complete.
Thanks.
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Railroad Station was very good today. Eric Good bred it but didn't get in on the ownership and he does/did have horses with Burke. Wonder why?
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Now this is a well bred horse. Downbytheseaside/Swinging Beauty. She won over $800,000 took a record of 49.4 and is from the family of Tall Dark Stranger and all of Avritt's super mares. He's a brother to Whichwaytothebeac h and Captain Barbossa. Don't know if he is staked to Grand Circuit but this one might be special.
Very true. What's more unique about Swingtown is both sire and dam share the exact same maternal family and the outstanding broodmare Dominique Semalu -- she being the third dam of Downbytheseaside and the second dam of Swinging Beauty -- the dam of Swingtown -- very unusual Swingtown's closest cross being a broodmare.
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They said he was toed in. I will agree that there is something there maternally. When I looked up his dam in the pedigree database it did not show Done Well. He was one of my favorite horses for a while so I wouldn't have said very weak if the database was complete.
Thanks.
Welcome. Definitely prefer toed in than toed out.
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Well that hype will quiet after that performance. Dreamboat Hanover looked like a nice two y old,period. Andy was urging him just to win. Unless he had a problem, its time to move to the next wannabee. There were bettors on board at 1-9 and almost $14,000 bet to show
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Honestly Dreamboat had a huge Q and first race. Today not as impressive for sure but could be sick or not that good. I would be over the moon if I bought that colt for 10K.
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Railroad Station was very good today. Eric Good bred it but didn't get in on the ownership and he does/did have horses with Burke. Wonder why?
He was sold through Eric Good's farm in Kentucky, Spring Station.
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please grammar police watch your spelling the correct spelling of my last name is McEvoy not Macevoy
thank u
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He was sold through Eric Good's farm in Kentucky, Spring Station.
Must have made Green a hell of an offer for Josh to pull up and leave Delaware!
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Must have made Green a hell of an offer for Josh to pull up and leave Delaware!
They're on a beautiful farm in Midway and run a top-notch operation.
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time will tell , literally
lots of horses get to 152 easily these days
now to start dropping seconds from there gets tougher and a lot cant do it