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Title: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on July 13, 2024, 08:32:32 PM
What's the excuse now?????
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: SDST2009 on July 13, 2024, 08:36:15 PM
What's the excuse now?????
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You're fooling yourself if you don't think that horse has wicked talent. He's visibly unsound. And you can't drive on a horse that you're holding together. Not sure they can fix it before Hambo, but if they don't I don't see how he wins that.

i can't wait to watch the other division - anxious to see how the Canadian invader fares.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Papillon on July 13, 2024, 08:39:11 PM
Mike Campbell will not be happy about this 73cv.2
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on July 13, 2024, 08:41:34 PM
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You're fooling yourself if you don't think that horse has wicked talent. He's visibly unsound. And you can't drive on a horse that you're holding together. Not sure they can fix it before Hambo, but if they don't I don't see how he wins that.

i can't wait to watch the other division - anxious to see how the Canadian invader fares.

I've been saying for over a month how lame he is and how Yannick has to nurse him around the turns.  He went 29- to 1/4 and trotted the 3/4 in 27.4 because he will run like a deer.  Down the stretch Yannick can't even touch him or he will run.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Pacingqueen on July 14, 2024, 11:53:08 AM
What is Nancys excuse? Wish they threw a camera in her face after race ngc3
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: onabrake on July 14, 2024, 12:25:54 PM
How many times on this forum have animals been pre-proclaimed to be the "greatest of all time" only to fade away.

This horse has wicked talent and MULTIPLE PROBLEMS and has had both from day one. Any moron willing to bridge jump on a trotter, no less, should donate the money to charity instead.

Will xxxxxxx off the screen in a moments notice if Gingras even thinks about "urging" and that does not bode well for Hambo. Congrats to the across the board "place" bettors last night. Was bound to happen.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Facts on July 14, 2024, 01:51:53 PM
I thought the horse raced huge.. Yannick drives him like a race care. Had to get tired last night and horses are maturing now and getting stronger
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on July 14, 2024, 02:49:55 PM
One loss this year doesn't doesn't destroy his resume. Takter will figure him out. I was there and I can't be sure because I wasn't sitting behind him but I don't think soundness is an issue, I think the horse is interfering somewhere when asked for speed. I could be 100% wrong but that is what I think. I wasn't crazy about the drive but sometimes a horse forces you to drive a certain way. However, as bad as everyone thinks he looked warming up and racing, he trotted the fastest time in his life and I think if he gets straightened out, he will trot in 48 and a piece and end his career as the greatest trotter ever.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on July 14, 2024, 05:25:20 PM
One loss this year doesn't doesn't destroy his resume. Takter will figure him out. I was there and I can't be sure because I wasn't sitting behind him but I don't think soundness is an issue, I think the horse is interfering somewhere when asked for speed. I could be 100% wrong but that is what I think. I wasn't crazy about the drive but sometimes a horse forces you to drive a certain way. However, as bad as everyone thinks he looked warming up and racing, he trotted the fastest time in his life and I think if he gets straightened out, he will trot in 48 and a piece and end his career as the greatest trotter ever.

He's not interfering when he goes fast.  He can only go fast in the straights because he's not pinching.  Go time his 1st qtr and 3qtr.  He has walked the turns all year.  He's lame and can't be fixed.  Jimmy has had every vet in there brother go over that horse.  He's probably on so much Osphos and Tildren it's not funny.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: LUCPARK on July 14, 2024, 06:13:37 PM
Needed a longer race bike

Changes coming

He’s a lock for hambo
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: PIGLAND on July 14, 2024, 06:37:46 PM
just put up a driver
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: bond on July 14, 2024, 06:53:13 PM
He's not interfering when he goes fast.  He can only go fast in the straights because he's not pinching.  Go time his 1st qtr and 3qtr.  He has walked the turns all year.  He's lame and can't be fixed.  Jimmy has had every vet in there brother go over that horse.  He's probably on so much Osphos and Tildren it's not funny.

Any trainer using osphos or Tildren on a horse younger than 4 is doing damage to that horse--so no way are you correct.
-In March 2019, a coalition of 29 Mid-Atlantic Thoroughbred organizations , representing 7 U.S. states, banned the use of bisphosphonates in racehorses under the age of 4 (this is an extra-label use of the drugs, as both are approved only for horses 4 years of age and older). In October 2019, the Maryland Racing Commission went even further, ruling horses of any age treated with bisphosphonates are ineligible to run in any race, and a veterinarian found to have given bisphosphonates to a horse will be suspended for one year. -
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on July 14, 2024, 07:25:27 PM
Any trainer using osphos or Tildren on a horse younger than 4 is doing damage to that horse--so no way are you correct.
-In March 2019, a coalition of 29 Mid-Atlantic Thoroughbred organizations , representing 7 U.S. states, banned the use of bisphosphonates in racehorses under the age of 4 (this is an extra-label use of the drugs, as both are approved only for horses 4 years of age and older). In October 2019, the Maryland Racing Commission went even further, ruling horses of any age treated with bisphosphonates are ineligible to run in any race, and a veterinarian found to have given bisphosphonates to a horse will be suspended for one year. -

Takter has been using Osphos and Tildren for years and never received one positive or even a warning.  FACTS
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on July 14, 2024, 07:29:26 PM
If you're not Joe Biden then you may remember the same was said about Karl's sire. Everyone thought he was a bust, making breaks, unable to carry his speed in the turns and what happened? The owners pulled the horse and gave it to Takter and Tactical Landing ended up his career as possibly the best trotter of that year.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: rainman2 on July 14, 2024, 07:35:06 PM
just put up a driver

Who do you recommend for this??
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on July 14, 2024, 11:36:47 PM
If you're not Joe Biden then you may remember the same was said about Karl's sire. Everyone thought he was a bust, making breaks, unable to carry his speed in the turns and what happened? The owners pulled the horse and gave it to Takter and Tactical Landing ended up his career as possibly the best trotter of that year.

He was a gangly colt and didn't trot clean.  Bob Stewart took his time with him and didn't destroy him.  Takter got a more mature horse that had been taught right from day one.  He did a good job but Jimmy didn't work any miracles on an $800K yearling.  He just needed time and patience.  Takter also broke him down too.  Don't forget that one!
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: wizardofoz on July 14, 2024, 11:46:00 PM
Takter has been using Osphos and Tildren for years and never received one positive or even a warning.  FACTS
In three field studies, adverse reactions in horses treated with TILDREN most commonly occurred during the 90-minute intravenous infusion or within four hours following the end of the infusion. The most common reaction was colic. Expect about 30 to 45 percent of horses given TILDREN to show transient signs of colic. Horses should be observed closely for four hours after treatment. Colic signs can last about 90 minutes and may be intermittent. In many cases, hand-walking may improve or resolve the colic signs. If a horse needs medical therapy, you should give non-NSAID treatments, as the concurrent use of an NSAID increases the risk of renal toxicity and acute renal failure.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Mrpick5 on July 15, 2024, 07:55:33 AM
How many times on this forum have animals been pre-proclaimed to be the "greatest of all time" only to fade away.

This horse has wicked talent and MULTIPLE PROBLEMS and has had both from day one. Any moron willing to bridge jump on a trotter, no less, should donate the money to charity instead.

Will xxxxxxx off the screen in a moments notice if Gingras even thinks about "urging" and that does not bode well for Hambo. Congrats to the across the board "place" bettors last night. Was bound to happen.
I was waiting to make a big win bet on Legendary Hanover. But when I saw the place money on Karl and how worked up he looked in the post parade. I bet $10 to place on the other 7. And couldn’t believe Ake surged by for 2nd for the $3700 payoff.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Mrpick5 on July 15, 2024, 07:58:33 AM
If you're not Joe Biden then you may remember the same was said about Karl's sire. Everyone thought he was a bust, making breaks, unable to carry his speed in the turns and what happened? The owners pulled the horse and gave it to Takter and Tactical Landing ended up his career as possibly the best trotter of that year.
I still remember the Breeders Crown he won at Pocono. I believe it was his last career race. He annihilated the field in a driving rainstorm. The track was beyond sloppy.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: captain morgan on July 15, 2024, 08:49:18 AM
I was waiting to make a big win bet on Legendary Hanover. But when I saw the place money on Karl and how worked up he looked in the post parade. I bet $10 to place on the other 7. And couldn’t believe Ake surged by for 2nd for the $3700 payoff.

$10 to place on all yielded $3700?
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on July 15, 2024, 09:39:54 AM
I still remember the Breeders Crown he won at Pocono. I believe it was his last career race. He annihilated the field in a driving rainstorm. The track was beyond sloppy.
tmbz1 tmbz1

https://ustrottingnews.com/tactical-landing-powers-home-for-breeders-crown-win/
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on July 15, 2024, 10:11:07 AM
$10 to place on all yielded $3700?

$20 on every other horse to place would have yielded $3700 and change on the two bets collected.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: captain morgan on July 15, 2024, 10:17:38 AM
$20 on every other horse to place would have yielded $3700 and change on the two bets collected.

Correct..$20 to show..not $10 like poster had stated. Mind bet maybe?
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Harness Stats on July 15, 2024, 10:31:26 AM
I would bet on a mind bet.  I know that if I had made that bet I wouldn't be forgetting about the driver who made that cash for me. He said it was Ake going by for the money when he was the first past Karl and looked like he was going to win the race until McCARTHY went by for the real money late.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on July 15, 2024, 10:37:00 AM
Correct..$20 to show..not $10 like poster had stated. Mind bet maybe?

To place, as there was no show betting. I won't argue the stats or #'s, but if you were trying to beat Karl, thought he wouldn't be 1-2, with no show wagering, and you just couldn't handicap the race at all......and you wanted to throw away $140......then it wouldn't have been the worst bet in the world, LOL.
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: PIGLAND on July 15, 2024, 12:54:18 PM
yan ick just hadda have the lead at the 1/2 coulda just floated
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Kole Hanover on July 15, 2024, 07:02:16 PM
I was waiting to make a big win bet on Legendary Hanover. But when I saw the place money on Karl and how worked up he looked in the post parade. I bet $10 to place on the other 7. And couldn’t believe Ake surged by for 2nd for the $3700 payoff.


 Out of all the things that never happened, I'm pretty sure that never happened the most (your $10 place bet)

 "Going to make a huge bet on Legendary Hanover.."

 Well why didn't ya?

 Facts in the way of a semi decent story
Title: Re: Super horse Karl isn't so super anymore
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on July 15, 2024, 07:51:29 PM
yan ick just hadda have the lead at the 1/2 coulda just floated

Yannick can't just float.  The only place he can let him trot is up the backside because he can't trot the turns because he is a LAMO
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