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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Third Over on July 14, 2024, 12:09:41 PM
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Yves/Sylvain Fillion made the greatest score of 2024.. a cool $1million dollars of solor panels thrown out in the trash after only 2 wks of use.. Funtime has become a bad time for the new connections, better do some homework before chuckin that money around.
congrats boys
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Relax
Nice colt
Prob scoped sick
Faded to far back
Not to have an issue last night
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an issue??
stopped dead
nice horse but they best get him figured out
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an issue??
stopped dead
nice horse but they best get him figured out
Right, which he's never done before. Obviously something legitimate happened. Bad timing but I doubt he broke down. Maybe bled?
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Heard he broke down and is done - that's the rumor from the paddock
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Heard he broke down and is done - that's the rumor from the paddock
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Oh, geez. I watched the reply and he did indeed take a bad step in the stretch. That's a shame if true. Really a nice horse.
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Heard he broke down and is done - that's the rumor from the paddock
Hope they insured him! tmbz1
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Great horse not worth what they paid for him different barn different preraceing
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Heard he broke down and is done - that's the rumor from the paddock
Awful. I hate hearing this if true
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Hope they insured him! tmbz1
Been years since I insured a horse but it used to be for death not injury.
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Been years since I insured a horse but it used to be for death not injury.
Agreed. As far I know, 99% of all indemnity coverage I've heard of is mortality only. I don't even know if carriers are still offering surgical coverage because I haven't heard of it in over 30 years. The only performance coverage I've heard of is (stallion) fertility. So in this case, the insurance would only pay a claim if he died or if they had to put him down.
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The insurance is a complete joke anyway. The rates are ridiculous and good luck making a claim especially on a gelding
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Equine Asset company paid out the ENTIRE $6500 surgery on my filly 4 years ago at the New Bolton clinic who fractured her leg during a race and required screws. Things like torn tendons are NOT covered. The add on emergency surgery coverage premium was only $99.00. The premium is around 3-4% of the insured mortality amount. You have to take out the mortality coverage to ge the $10,000 emergency surgery rider. A $100,000 amount would cost between $3000-4000 most likely for the year plus the $99.00 emergency policy.
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Any updates on the ACTUAL details of an injury yet?
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No. Cassie hasn’t had time to look at him yet.
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In watching the replay a few times, he was edging out coming out of the last turn after Dexter popped the plugs (at 1:20.2) and then just lost his strength. His gait looked OK and Dexter was not looking around to see if anything was amiss with his legs, so it might have been an episode of Afib or electrolyte imbalance causing the issue.
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Send him back to Moreau to train if ya want to get out. Any body think Andrew could better him, he didn't even get a good start out of him. Where will he race next? Andrew keeps getting in deeper, how many has he got now? Has any of the race horses he bought even close to paying even the training bill? After awhile it's gonna get pretty boring going to the races, watching your horses get beat all the time. Ya get a new hoby.
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have done ok with abuckabet
seven colors made good money last year
that's bout it
as for funtime not sure why dunn was pulling out of the two hole when he did
not suggesting that would have changed much but seemed like a poor decision
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In watching the replay a few times, he was edging out coming out of the last turn after Dexter popped the plugs (at 1:20.2) and then just lost his strength. His gait looked OK and Dexter was not looking around to see if anything was amiss with his legs, so it might have been an episode of Afib or electrolyte imbalance causing the issue.
He got out of gear at 1:35(ish) here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0oU5MRkSWg
To my eyes, he took a couple bad steps (which I also didn't notice in the live race). Yeah, he was already going backwards, but nothing like exhaustion and a horse who was clearly trying hard to get one hurt.
I hope he's alright and it is something you mentioned, or bled bad, etc. He's a pretty nice animal.
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We out west don’t mess with those Canadian trainers especially Moureau . Tough act to follow .
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it's been 5 days now
no report he must be ok
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it's been 5 days now
no report he must be ok
Get Mike what's his name on the case. If there's something wrong, not only will he know about it, but he will appoint himself as investigator, prosecutor, judge, jury, and enforcer, and he will tell everyone, everywhere, about the misdeeds. BTW, even if there's nothing wrong.....he will do the same thing!!!
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Cant beat the Frenchies...
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No more speculating.. the real reason for struggling in M Pace has been released for public viewing.
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Now we know...EPO...
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amazing. The cheaters will never stop.
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No more speculating.. the real reason for struggling in M Pace has been released for public viewing.
where is it posted?
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Just another person caught. Let's see how it plays out.
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where is it posted?
[/quoteAGCO Judges last night, StandardbredZanad a this morning]
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Moreau is getting 10yrs and 100k fine. Word is he is selling everything and getting out of the business.
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Moreau is getting 10yrs and 100k fine. Word is he is selling everything and getting out of the business.
You would know, LOL. Gotta admit, you crack me up.
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You would know, LOL. Gotta admit, you crack me up.
I'm hearing the same thing. I believe that is the standard penalty for using any family of artificial epoetin drug.
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That is quite a fine and suspension. Anyone want to start a suspected beard list now? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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That is quite a fine and suspension. Anyone want to start a suspected beard list now? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Josh marks ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Damn that guy is busy! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Josh marks ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
maybe thats where he got it from..
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It's always Josh, he's here, he's there, he's everywhere. It's time to find another name, everybody wouldn't be buying Josh, he'd be busy 24 / 7 and be rolling in cash, he's not.
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According to the report, Moreau was suspended due to the presence of “darbepoietin alfa” (DPO) in the system of Funtime Bayama from an out of competition test completed on June 10, just five days prior to the horse finishing third in the $730,000 North America Cup. The horse was privately sold a few days after the race to U.S.-based connections and finished second in an elimination and last in the $650,000 Meadowlands pace. --------why was he allowed to race if he tested positive 5 days before the NA Cup and didn't Harris do a COMPLETE blood workup INCLUDING illegal substances?!
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According to the report, Moreau was suspended due to the presence of “darbepoietin alfa” (DPO) in the system of Funtime Bayama from an out of competition test completed on June 10, just five days prior to the horse finishing third in the $730,000 North America Cup. The horse was privately sold a few days after the race to U.S.-based connections and finished second in an elimination and last in the $650,000 Meadowlands pace. --------why was he allowed to race if he tested positive 5 days before the NA Cup and didn't Harris do a COMPLETE blood workup INCLUDING illegal substances?!
He was tested 5 days before. When did the rest results come back? As far as Harris and what they did, who knows; other than the buyers.
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from a very good source
they are tryin to get back the money they paid,
KEY WORD TRYING
WILL COURT FORCE THEM TO GIVE MONEY BACK,,
THIS WONT END WELL FOR 1 PARTY.
AND WHO SUFFERS THE HORSE...
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What is the condition of the horse NOW? Can it race?
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As this was "out of competition testing" do the connections have to give back the money they made in the NA Final ????
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As this was "out of competition testing" do the connections have to give back the money they made in the NA Final ????
If not why do they test ? As I understand there is a short time span this drug can be detected. Something like 3 days out. This does not give the lab time to ron the test and then probably a second time before the race is contested and the purse $ distributed.
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"out of competition testing"
Out of competition means the test was done at the Richard's farm in the morning, not at the track after a race. The Ontario Racing Commission or whatever they are called not will often stop by and draw blood on a complete barn. I had horses with Robinson for years, been there done that.
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from a very good source
they are tryin to get back the money they paid,
KEY WORD TRYING
WILL COURT FORCE THEM TO GIVE MONEY BACK,,
THIS WONT END WELL FOR 1 PARTY.
AND WHO SUFFERS THE HORSE...
If this test is 100% accurate, the horse has suffered and will more than likely continue to suffer the medical effects. Ownership of the horse means absolutely nothing until the effects of this has run its course. Can the horse come back from this? Time will tell!
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agco should be doing out of competition unscheduled visits to farms and training centers on a regular basis
never know what you might find when you show up unannounced
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agco should be doing out of competition unscheduled visits to farms and training centers on a regular basis
never know what you might find when you show up unannounced
Is there a version of agco in the states doing this?
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Is there a version of agco in the states doing this?
The USTA ngc3
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AGCO ruling 2761922.
The Horse Funtime Bayama is ineligible to race in Ontario for a period of 6 months. June 24, 2024, until December 24, 2024. AGCO rules 9.07.01 (iv) and 20.01. (j).
AGCO ruling 2761965
The horse Funtime Bayama has been disqualified from Race 11 on June 15, 2024. All purse money and Driver/ Trainer fees are to be returned and redistributed. AGCO rule 9.13 and 28.08.01
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The USTA ngc3
agco should be doing out of competition unscheduled visits to farms and training centers on a regular basis
never know what you might find when you show up unannounced
They already do this. More than people know.
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They already do this. More than people know.
Absolutely. Just like in the NJ (although people have said the rule is somewhat different and I would guess it is) for horses to be eligible to race, they have to come from an authorized farm or training center, authorized meaning licensed, registered, and one that falls under the governance and purview of the racing authorities.....m eaning they can walk in randomly, search, investigate, and yes, do out of competition testing. I am sure games are played, there are issues, etc., but the rule is there. I find it interesting because some people believe or infer that Moreau was training from his own farm, behind gates, shut off from the world, doing anything he wanted. Not quite true, but why let facts get in the way of a good story, LOL.
Look, 10 years in a row trainer of the year. Where there's smoke there's usually fire. You can't suspend or ban someone for smoke. But, this guy obviously has some edge. He's had the backing of some of the most respected owners in Canada. From his days back with Tourigny he was a lightning rod for scrutiny. He's appealing this. I would guess he had to. Could you imagine just cashing in and walking away? If he's guilty, while there are a lot of questions, in the end.....first offense, 10 year suspension, $100k fine, which I think was the punishment in the past. Second offense, of equal stature, 20 years and $250k, or eligible for lifetime ban. Third offense, lifetime ban period.
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Absolutely. Just like in the NJ (although people have said the rule is somewhat different and I would guess it is) for horses to be eligible to race, they have to come from an authorized farm or training center, authorized meaning licensed, registered, and one that falls under the governance and purview of the racing authorities.....m eaning they can walk in randomly, search, investigate, and yes, do out of competition testing. I am sure games are played, there are issues, etc., but the rule is there. I find it interesting because some people believe or infer that Moreau was training from his own farm, behind gates, shut off from the world, doing anything he wanted. Not quite true, but why let facts get in the way of a good story, LOL.
Look, 10 years in a row trainer of the year. Where there's smoke there's usually fire. You can't suspend or ban someone for smoke. But, this guy obviously has some edge. He's had the backing of some of the most respected owners in Canada. From his days back with Tourigny he was a lightning rod for scrutiny. He's appealing this. I would guess he had to. Could you imagine just cashing in and walking away? If he's guilty, while there are a lot of questions, in the end.....first offense, 10 year suspension, $100k fine, which I think was the punishment in the past. Second offense, of equal stature, 20 years and $250k, or eligible for lifetime ban. Third offense, lifetime ban period.
The fine is only due and payable if he decides to come back in 10 years.
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imho
it will be tough to get the money back,,
out of country ,,,
very long time to fight in courts
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So, what recourse if any , does Harris and his people have with this horse?
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So, what recourse if any , does Harris and his people have with this horse?
None
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Is there a version of agco in the states doing this?
Parx racing nabbed via out of competition testing trainer Penny Pearce for Clenbuterol a couple of years ago, she was bearding for Ramon Preciado--who was tossed for 10 years with multiple Clenbuterol positives
Recently trainer Joseph Taylor was found guilty of an overage in 2021-not sure what for they tossed him
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The fine is only due and payable if he decides to come back in 10 years.
I was only giving my thoughts on what the fines and suspension should be. Universal.