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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: firebolt on July 23, 2024, 06:28:41 PM
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What's up with all the scratches tonight?
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Is this character's gig FINALLY up?
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the rumor mill has been working overtime all day today
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Epo in Funtime Bayama,s system after the NA Cup according to rumour....maybe true with these scratches...does the sale of the horse become null and void?
it smells of lawsuits no?
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No horses entered Friday/Saturday at Mohawk.
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100% pylon epo
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did the mohawk on air crew have anything to offer
or just "gee, i guess all his horses have the sniffles"
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hey Brown Jug....the on air personalities wont say anything...they are Weg employees and do what they are told...being forthcoming is not in their job description
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Epo in Funtime Bayama,s system after the NA Cup according to rumour....maybe true with these scratches...does the sale of the horse become null and void?
it smells of lawsuits no?
That will put them in some deep shit! Guy seems like a scumbag anyway from what SCM put out about him before. Hope they didn’t spend all that money yet! ngc3
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How dumb to Harris look now if this is true? He knows Moreau and his rep. My guess would be Andrew knew and him and Moreua split a little of that purchase money with Fillion.
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Im sure the AGCO will be all over his barn ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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AGCO ruling #2756963.
As a result of a Certificate of Analysis confirming the presence of darbepoietin alfa (DPO) from the horse “Funtime Bayama “, collected on June 10, 2024, as part of the Out of Competition Testing Program.
And whereas DPO is a prohibited performance enhancing non-therapeutic substance which adversely affects the integrity of racing.
Trainer Richard Moreau is fully suspended as of July 23, 2024, in accordance with rule 6.01 C, conduct prejudicial to the best interest of racing. The suspension remains in effect pending the completion of the inspection into the positive test and consideration thereof by the Registrar.
And Further take notice that all horses owned, wholly or in part, or trained by Moreau are ineligible to be entered or race but, may be transferred to the care of another trainer approved by the AGCO Race Officials, in accordance with AGCO rules 26.08 and 6.13.01. Horses must have an approved trainer before entry time.
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I am shocked! Only Burke has won more races and money than Moreau in the last 15 years and now it is discovered that he may not be clean. This can't be true. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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AGCO ruling #2756963.
As a result of a Certificate of Analysis confirming the presence of darbepoietin alfa (DPO) from the horse “Funtime Bayama “, collected on June 10, 2024, as part of the Out of Competition Testing Program.
And whereas DPO is a prohibited performance enhancing non-therapeutic substance which adversely affects the integrity of racing.
Trainer Richard Moreau is fully suspended as of July 23, 2024, in accordance with rule 6.01 C, conduct prejudicial to the best interest of racing. The suspension remains in effect pending the completion of the inspection into the positive test and consideration thereof by the Registrar.
And Further take notice that all horses owned, wholly or in part, or trained by Moreau are ineligible to be entered or race but, may be transferred to the care of another trainer approved by the AGCO Race Officials, in accordance with AGCO rules 26.08 and 6.13.01. Horses must have an approved trainer before entry time.
Wow. It won’t be pretty if Pollack sues for his money back. His pockets are way deeper than most.
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https://www.aranesp.com/
He should be banned for a year for this crap
Check out what it can do to humans
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https://www.aranesp.com/
He should be banned for a year for this crap
Check out what it can do to humans
Tim, They are all using it. It has gotten less expensive so now even the small stables at the B and C tracks are using it. A few years back, the FDA in conjunction with a few doping agencies approached Amgen and a few others pharma companies that manufacture EPO about including a marker in the drug so that it could be detected and ALL the companies declined, stating that their market share is dependent on nefarious usage. In other words, there are just as many people using it to cheat as there are people using it for health reasons.
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Here is a side note...I know a very prominent veterinarian who told me that the cancer that SBSW died from had to be from EPO abuse.
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Here is a side note...I know a very prominent veterinarian who told me that the cancer that SBSW died from had to be from EPO abuse.
That is awful. I think I read that he had a bout of colic and they opened him up and found a grape-sized tumor and he was given Chemo. He certainly was a beautiful animal and 13 is way too young to go. People that abuse horses with that and other banned substances need to have the shit kicked out of them. These horses try their best and want to please their handlers for the most part and not only does it hurt the horse, but it effs over the others who compete against them.
How long after administering that EPO to a horse does it last? I bet the new owners are not very happy no matter how much money they have.
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I sure hope they come out with some kind of statement or someone that does interviews has the balls to ask Harris about it and what, if any, course of action they plan on taking.
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I sure hope they come out with some kind of statement or someone that does interviews has the balls to ask Harris about it and what, if any, course of action they plan on taking.
What action can they take? If it was a claim and they ordered a test, then yes, the commission will void the claim but in a private purchase, I'm not sure you have any recourse.
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Moreau won 5 races Monday night, and was outta business on Tuesday morning.!!
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Big misunderstanding. ...groom was sick and on meds....pissed in the stall and contaminated the sample.
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Here is a side note...I know a very prominent veterinarian who told me that the cancer that SBSW died from had to be from EPO abuse.
That "prominent" Veterinarian is a POS. I happen to be a huge SBSW fan. I went to Mid Atlantic and saw SBSW just a week before he died and they didn't think he'd make it-so I shed a tear and said my goodbyes.. Yes he had cancer. He was 13 YO retired at 3. The cancer he had grew at age 13 from a small grape size to massive grape fruit size in weeks and affected his blood. He was humanely put down to stop the suffering . IN NO WAY did SBSW ever get that shit-and you really believe it caused a cancer 10 years after he retired?? SBSW was a naturally gifted horse probably the greatest SBred ever.
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What action can they take? If it was a claim and they ordered a test, then yes, the commission will void the claim but in a private purchase, I'm not sure you have any recourse.
If Howard Taylor was put on this case-not only would they get all their money back-but he would probably also sue Moreau and those responsible and put them out of business. Selling a horse for huge $$ while drugged up with illegal PED of the worst kind--wont be looked at kindly in Court and H Taylor will have their feet held to the fire.
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That "prominent" Veterinarian is a POS. I happen to be a huge SBSW fan. I went to Mid Atlantic and saw SBSW just a week before he died and they didn't think he'd make it-so I shed a tear and said my goodbyes.. Yes he had cancer. He was 13 YO retired at 3. The cancer he had grew at age 13 from a small grape size to massive grape fruit size in weeks and affected his blood. He was humanely put down to stop the suffering . IN NO WAY did SBSW ever get that shit-and you really believe it caused a cancer 10 years after he retired?? SBSW was a naturally gifted horse probably the greatest SBred ever.
All due respect - how do you know if that cancer was or wasn't caused by something years back? Are you a vet? Were you the trainer/owner/groom of SBSW? If so, I am envious. Probably not a better horse to look through a bridle in my lifetime. But it doesn't mean something wasn't used on him. I am not saying it was, either, but I am just curious how you know that.
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What action can they take? If it was a claim and they ordered a test, then yes, the commission will void the claim but in a private purchase, I'm not sure you have any recourse.
Lawsuit! Nothing the commission can do. tmbz1
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Lawsuit! Nothing the commission can do. tmbz1
Deep pockets, they are in deep trouble if Pollack decides to sue. If they had decency they would buy him back but i doubt that happens.
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Here is a side note...I know a very prominent veterinarian who told me that the cancer that SBSW died from had to be from EPO abuse.
I feel like that would be nearly impossible to determine
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https://www.drf.com/news/harness-top-canadian-trainer-moreau-suspended-agco
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Absolutely! They are completely fucked if he goes that route. They need to, he didn't look worth what they most likely paid for him! Get your money back before you eat him! tmbz1
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I am shocked! Only Burke has won more races and money than Moreau in the last 15 years and now it is discovered that he may not be clean. This can't be true. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Mike, very few if any are 100% clean, this sucker just got caught
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That "prominent" Veterinarian is a POS. I happen to be a huge SBSW fan. I went to Mid Atlantic and saw SBSW just a week before he died and they didn't think he'd make it-so I shed a tear and said my goodbyes.. Yes he had cancer. He was 13 YO retired at 3. The cancer he had grew at age 13 from a small grape size to massive grape fruit size in weeks and affected his blood. He was humanely put down to stop the suffering . IN NO WAY did SBSW ever get that shit-and you really believe it caused a cancer 10 years after he retired?? SBSW was a naturally gifted horse probably the greatest SBred ever.
Hey douchebag. Firstly, I didn't post what I believed. Learn how to read jerkoff. Secondly, I didn't go to vet school therefore I wouldn't know and I can tell by your posts that you didn't either.
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Buyer beware, Vetted and cleared, US Export certificate stamped, Money Transfer completed, shipped and raced for new ownership, happy owner interviewed, unlike the USA lawsuits most of Canadian civil lawsuits are tossed without cause..
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IMO this positive test changes everything if the new owner wants it to.
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sale will be voided and moreau will get life just saying
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sale will be voided and moreau will get life just saying
10 years and $100K seemed to be what they get in similar cases.
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Wonder who new trainer trainer will be..he got like 30 head...
Bottom line...who ratted him out??
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no one "ratted him out"
horse was tested and this time it got caught
remember that moreau does not race in a lot of stakes races so his horses dont get tested a lot, not like the agco was actually trying to catch him , we know they dont work that way
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no one "ratted him out"
horse was tested and this time it got caught
remember that moreau does not race in a lot of stakes races so his horses dont get tested a lot, not like the agco was actually trying to catch him , we know they dont work that way
Virtually every word of the above is incorrect. He has been tested more times this year than the next two trainers combined. The sheer number of entrants and winners ensures that is so. Moreau and AGCO have been at war since 2013. There is no possibility that there is a hands off policy.
Moreau is very careful and trains from a gated facility. London is right. Investigators need help to get an EPO positive.
I would have no inclination to defend Moreau but nonsense doesn't help. And there are two trainers involved with Funtime and one had a huge amount to gain. Getting the loot back might be quite a task.
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Wonder who new trainer trainer will be..he got like 30 head...
Bottom line...who ratted him out??
Lots of people don't like him. The commission, the guy he allegedly assaulted, and anyone he keeps beating night in and night out at the track! Endless number of possibilities. Could be a former employee that knew what was going on and wanted pay back.
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To all you stupid people out there do you really think it’s just him. The 100 top trainers in usta are using it ! If the United States would test like Canada watch all these 1:48 - 1:50. Horses start collapsing and going in 1:55
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Cruelty to Animals
Marginal note:Causing unnecessary suffering
445.1 (1) Every one commits an offence who
(a) wilfully causes or, being the owner, wilfully permits to be caused unnecessary pain, suffering or injury to an animal or a bird;
(b) in any manner encourages, aids or assists at the fighting or baiting of animals or birds;
(c) wilfully, without reasonable excuse, administers a poisonous or an injurious drug or substance to a domestic animal or bird or an animal or a bird wild by nature that is kept in captivity or, being the owner of such an animal or a bird, wilfully permits a poisonous or an injurious drug or substance to be administered to it;
(d) promotes, arranges, conducts, assists in, receives money for or takes part in any meeting, competition, exhibition, pastime, practice, display or event at or in the course of which captive birds are liberated by hand, trap, contrivance or any other means for the purpose of being shot when they are liberated; or
(e) being the owner, occupier or person in charge of any premises, permits the premises or any part thereof to be used for a purpose mentioned in paragraph (d).
Now if they want to get serious get the police involved..upgrade the charges for wilfully administering injurious drugs in horses system and throw him in jail. Canada Laws have upgraded abuse to animals as a felony but not as strict as US which has put it on par with murder rape or arson.
Maybe thats why Moreau never races under his name in the U.S.
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To all you stupid people out there do you really think it’s just him. The 100 top trainers in usta are using it ! If the United States would test like Canada watch all these 1:48 - 1:50. Horses start collapsing and going in 1:55
Not disagreeing with you...but we are talking about the one that just got caught. The one that just sold a horse for huge money that came up positive! tmbz1
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Not disagreeing with you...but we are talking about the one that just got caught. The one that just sold a horse for huge money that came up positive! tmbz1
dont worry, more to follow
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Moreau runs a big operation, he is a sharp guy....find it hard to believe he is anything more than 'the trainer of record'
Bayama Farm and Yve Filion made a big score............ ....figure it out kids
Moreau had more to lose than he had to gain
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I doubt moreau even had the horse physically in his barn much at all. I've heard Sylvain was in there all the time needling the horse.
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MOREAU,RICHARD
AGCO - MISCONDUCT PREJUDICIAL TO THE BEST INTERESTS OF RACING
AS A RESULT OF A CERTIFICATE OF ANALYSIS CONFIRMING THE PRESENCE OF A DRUG
COLLECTED AS PART OF THE OUT OF COMPETITIONTESTIN G PROGRAM ON JUNE 10/24. ALL
HORSES OWNED WHOLLY OR IN PART,OR TRAINED BY MOREAU ARE INELIGIBLE TO BE ENTERED
OR RACE, BUT MAY BE TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER TRAINER APPROVED BY AGCO OFFICIALS.
Commission Rule Number : 6.01(C)
Date Issued : 23-Jul-2024
Violation Occurred : at WOODBINE MOHAWK PARK horse FUNTIME BAYAMA
Suspended From 23-Jul-2024 Indefinitely (Full Suspension)
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How dumb to Harris look now if this is true? He knows Moreau and his rep. My guess would be Andrew knew and him and Moreua split a little of that purchase money with Fillion.
Sour grapes, jealousy, and resentment....com ing from a nobody who wishes they were somebody. I won't defend Harris, but your BS is very transparent. Just accuse professionals in the sport and industry of theft, fraud, and who knows what else. Maybe something did happen, but you certainly don't know.
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That "prominent" Veterinarian is a POS. I happen to be a huge SBSW fan. I went to Mid Atlantic and saw SBSW just a week before he died and they didn't think he'd make it-so I shed a tear and said my goodbyes.. Yes he had cancer. He was 13 YO retired at 3. The cancer he had grew at age 13 from a small grape size to massive grape fruit size in weeks and affected his blood. He was humanely put down to stop the suffering . IN NO WAY did SBSW ever get that shit-and you really believe it caused a cancer 10 years after he retired?? SBSW was a naturally gifted horse probably the greatest SBred ever.
tmbz1
Armchair and internet experts making claims and stirring sh!t. Nothing more, nothing less. Move on.
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Buyer beware, Vetted and cleared, US Export certificate stamped, Money Transfer completed, shipped and raced for new ownership, happy owner interviewed, unlike the USA lawsuits most of Canadian civil lawsuits are tossed without cause..
I am not so sure. I am not a lawyer, and unlike some people here, I don't play one on the internet. You don't think a positive test for an illegal drug is grounds for some legal action? Something? Anything? But, if it is, you don't think they can win, right?
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I doubt moreau even had the horse physically in his barn much at all. I've heard Sylvain was in there all the time needling the horse.
ngc3
Do you actually have to spend time thinking up this BS or does it just come to you naturally?
Be careful, the monster is either in your closet or under your bed.
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This has to be wrong odds on racing only uses honest trainers Dana said so
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ngc3
Do you actually have to spend time thinking up this BS or does it just come to you naturally?
Be careful, the monster is either in your closet or under your bed.
You stay in the grandstand and I'll stay in the barn. You hear rumors I hear facts.
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Must return 12% of purse but It could be worse, Funtime was locked in tight in the NA Cup Final, if he woulda seen daylight he was the WINNER.!! Moreau's problem is u cannot appeal, be granted a stay or defend your reputation, they just hang you immediately in Canada..
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Must return 12% of purse but It could be worse, Funtime was locked in tight in the NA Cup Final, if he woulda seen daylight he was the WINNER.!! Moreau's problem is u cannot appeal, be granted a stay or defend your reputation, they just hang you immediately in Canada..
Hang Him High
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You stay in the grandstand and I'll stay in the barn. You hear rumors I hear facts.
Just slowly step away from the keyboard, slowly take both arms, reach them around and behind you and with all the strength you can muster.....try and pull your head out of your ass and join everyone else here on planet Earth!
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Must return 12% of purse but It could be worse, Funtime was locked in tight in the NA Cup Final, if he woulda seen daylight he was the WINNER.!! Moreau's problem is u cannot appeal, be granted a stay or defend your reputation, they just hang you immediately in Canada..
Automatic, without discussion. Question one, in Canada, does the horse get suspended as well? If so, would he therefore not have been eligible to drop in the box for the Meadowlands Pace? Also, purse from from the Pace elimination?
Question two.....is the horse suspended now?
My take is, the new owner should get the biggest, baddest law firm and sue Fillion, Moreau, and anyone else involved. I don't know if this is fraud, misrepresentation, or what. I can't fathom there being no grounds for a lawsuit. What could be a major issue is what tests did the buyer do when buying/vetting the horse? This is going to get hairy.
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As of yesterday, Moreau is outta business, for sure Gural will suspend him, as in the case of a lawsuit, I'm sure they did their due diligence before transferring $1million, suing in Canada isn't the same as in US, the courts are not in favor of awarding $$ to high risk investors.. but I'm sure they (Pollock) will try their best.!!
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A couple of weeks ago Moreau was advertising for horses to train. Did some of his owners know this was coming and went elsewhere?
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Wonder what Harris thinks about this....maybe FB just a claimer now...
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IMHO.. I don't believe Richard would risk his livelihood, his farm and reputation for somebody else.. there's a fox in the hen house and top owners like Brad Grant are scrambling today for sure.
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Automatic, without discussion. Question one, in Canada, does the horse get suspended as well? If so, would he therefore not have been eligible to drop in the box for the Meadowlands Pace? Also, purse from from the Pace elimination?
Question two.....is the horse suspended now?
My take is, the new owner should get the biggest, baddest law firm and sue Fillion, Moreau, and anyone else involved. I don't know if this is fraud, misrepresentation, or what. I can't fathom there being no grounds for a lawsuit. What could be a major issue is what tests did the buyer do when buying/vetting the horse? This is going to get hairy.
I think they have a strong civil case. You only need a balance of probabilities to award damages. A case can be made for tortious interference. There was a clear attempt to alter the value of the horse by injecting it with peds. Fraud was committed hence damages occurred. They have two samples test positive by the regulating body of Canada (CPMA).
The plaintiff must establish facts from which the judge or jury may reasonably draw the inference that the wrongful act of the defendant was the probable cause of injury. The burden of proof is whether on a balance of probabilities the defendant constituted the cause of the plaintiff's injury.
I think the case meets all conditions. Caveat Emptor (Buyer Beware only stands if there is no malice or ill-will(wrongful action , done intentionally) by the party .
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agreed, grounds to sue for sure, like if you buy a advertised classic original car and later find out it is full of bondo and shit, sellers misrepresented
lots of opinions here and most will be incorrect
however i do agree that while we all know moreau has been up to something for years he would not overstep and do something out of the ordinary for this horse, and risk getting caught, if he has been able to escape the dreaded and oh so powerful agco for years why do something different now
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a question for the experts of which i am not one
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a question for the experts of which i am not one
funtime is racing on drugs, epo etc
but he was not winning but very competitive
another horse beat him in the na cup
a different horse crushed in the pace in track record by 5 lengths
so are the horses that beat funtime "clean" ??
i reference back to the 100m in the olympics, they caught ben johnson, over the years all the other starters in the race also tested to be on roids
just curious
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ngc3
Do you actually have to spend time thinking up this BS or does it just come to you naturally?
Be careful, the monster is either in your closet or under your bed.
How the fuck would you know? I doubt you have ever even touched a horse in your life. You are nothing but bullshit. How about revealing your real name asswipe so we ALL can see how successful you are. I'll go first. My name is Michael Campbell and I live in Milford. PA. If you don't believe it, ask Dave Briggs of HRU, as he vetted me before I started posting there. OK your turn.. Your name is...
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Not trainer of the year for 10yrs in a row on hay and oats.
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I think they have a strong civil case. You only need a balance of probabilities to award damages. A case can be made for tortious interference. There was a clear attempt to alter the value of the horse by injecting it with peds. Fraud was committed hence damages occurred. They have two samples test positive by the regulating body of Canada (CPMA).
The plaintiff must establish facts from which the judge or jury may reasonably draw the inference that the wrongful act of the defendant was the probable cause of injury. The burden of proof is whether on a balance of probabilities the defendant constituted the cause of the plaintiff's injury.
I think the case meets all conditions. Caveat Emptor (Buyer Beware only stands if there is no malice or ill-will(wrongful action , done intentionally) by the party .
So, I get the buyer beware thing. Is a feasible defense, they could have tested for EPO and they chose not to? Or is that not valid because the drug is illegal, so was their act, it was intentional, and wrongful action? Thanks.
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So, I get the buyer beware thing. Is a feasible defense, they could have tested for EPO and they chose not to? Or is that not valid because the drug is illegal, so was their act, it was intentional, and wrongful action? Thanks.
Come in Counselor!
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they never get burke
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Moreau runs a big operation, he is a sharp guy....find it hard to believe he is anything more than 'the trainer of record'
Bayama Farm and Yve Filion made a big score............ ....figure it out kids
Moreau had more to lose than he had to gain
One of the few guys here who actually gets what occurred.
Kudos.
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https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/7-24-24/agco-statement-moreau.html
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One of the few guys here who actually gets what occurred.
Kudos.
exactly - moreau wasn't even be paid a training bill. just got the 5% - I don't see a civil suit going anywhere. yrs ago a guy bought a honus wagner card for 5million. it was later found out the card was trimmed. They guy who trimmed it didn't get anything because they seen the card and inspected in before they bought it. So when is the cut off for buying a horse? what if this positive came from two months prior and he won the meadowlands pace and come back clean in the pace? Too many variables and had he won the M pace or been a stallion no one would say shit. Look at perfect sting. He just now gets a steroid positive from 3yrs ago.
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As of yesterday, Moreau is outta business, for sure Gural will suspend him, as in the case of a lawsuit, I'm sure they did their due diligence before transferring $1million, suing in Canada isn't the same as in US, the courts are not in favor of awarding $$ to high risk investors.. but I'm sure they (Pollock) will try their best.!!
I wouldn't assume anything with Gural. He has let sevaral off the hook for similar
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tmbz1
Armchair and internet experts making claims and stirring sh!t. Nothing more, nothing less. Move on.
And what the fuck are you? An actual expert? You are nothing but a blowhard horseman wannabe who throws around names like he is special. I bet 90% of the people you claim to know couldn't pick you out of a lineup. What's your real name bigshot?
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And what the fuck are you? An actual expert? You are nothing but a blowhard horseman wannabe who throws around names like he is special. I bet 90% of the people you claim to know couldn't pick you out of a lineup. What's your real name bigshot?
When I claim something like you, make an accusation, state facts (and your facts are BS anyway) that requires credibility----then I'll give you my name. Until then, go call George Berkner's widow and ask her nicely if he trained Goalie Jeff. Don't worry bitch, you'll learn.
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How the fuck would you know? I doubt you have ever even touched a horse in your life. You are nothing but bullshit. How about revealing your real name asswipe so we ALL can see how successful you are. I'll go first. My name is Michael Campbell and I live in Milford. PA. If you don't believe it, ask Dave Briggs of HRU, as he vetted me before I started posting there. OK your turn.. Your name is...
Very impressive. Did you offer to blow him too, or is that to personal? Go play with yourself bitch. Moving on.
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Very impressive. Did you offer to blow him too, or is that to personal? Go play with yourself bitch. Moving on.
All you are is a name dropper. If you weren't so full of shit, you would give out your name but by not, I proved my point.
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All you are is a name dropper. If you weren't so full of shit, you would give out your name but by not, I proved my point.
You proved you can jerk yourself off and like it. Go entertain yourself. Moving on. By the way, and I will type slower, it's B-E-R-K-N-E-R.....George Berkner.
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You proved you can jerk yourself off and like it. Go entertain yourself. Moving on. By the way, and I will type slower, it's B-E-R-K-N-E-R.....George Berkner.
Georgie B was a good man so why don't you quit name dropping a dead guy. What an asshole you are!
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Georgie B was a good man so why don't you quit name dropping a dead guy. What an asshole you are!
It wasn't name dropping. All I said was he trained Goalie Jeff. It's a statement. Pay attention.
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You proved you can jerk yourself off and like it. Go entertain yourself. Moving on. By the way, and I will type slower, it's B-E-R-K-N-E-R.....George Berkner.
Moving on. LOL. You're a D-O-U-C-H-E-B-A-G and Full Of S-H-I-T and you hide behind your fake name because you are a P-H-O-N-E-Y.
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I guess I got lucky Monday evening at Mohawk. I bet on Bella Cavalla hoping the juice would kick in like the trotter in race 3. And she responded a $17.90 winner.
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That "prominent" Veterinarian is a POS. I happen to be a huge SBSW fan. I went to Mid Atlantic and saw SBSW just a week before he died and they didn't think he'd make it-so I shed a tear and said my goodbyes.. Yes he had cancer. He was 13 YO retired at 3. The cancer he had grew at age 13 from a small grape size to massive grape fruit size in weeks and affected his blood. He was humanely put down to stop the suffering . IN NO WAY did SBSW ever get that shit-and you really believe it caused a cancer 10 years after he retired?? SBSW was a naturally gifted horse probably the greatest SBred ever.
I don’t believe he was an EPO horse , he was possibly the best ever and passed on to his foals. If EPO made him the horse he was I don’t see him being the dominant sire he was.
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There are naturally talented, one in a life time horses. changing trainers to the same horse you think the performance would stay the same..in this case, looks like a flop..
With all the money that the lasix program makes in Canada, why is there still no mandatory test??
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I don’t believe he was an EPO horse , he was possibly the best ever and passed on to his foals. If EPO made him the horse he was I don’t see him being the dominant sire he was.
tmbz1
Very good point. The genetics argument is one that many experts point to when they argue drugs/no drugs. I think there will be exceptions though. How many successful stallions did Bill Robinson make? Pelling? Burke?
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Apparently Moreau has a fan base.says he innocent...
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Very impressive. Did you offer to blow him too, or is that to personal? Go play with yourself bitch. Moving on.
Wait....who's offering what??? 11.lapz
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Apparently Moreau has a fan base.says he innocent...
Everyone in Jail is innocent. Moreau needs to be banded for life
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exactly - moreau wasn't even be paid a training bill. just got the 5% - I don't see a civil suit going anywhere. yrs ago a guy bought a honus wagner card for 5million. it was later found out the card was trimmed. They guy who trimmed it didn't get anything because they seen the card and inspected in before they bought it. So when is the cut off for buying a horse? what if this positive came from two months prior and he won the meadowlands pace and come back clean in the pace? Too many variables and had he won the M pace or been a stallion no one would say shit. Look at perfect sting. He just now gets a steroid positive from 3yrs ago.
It would be cost prohibitive to get a toxicology report for every prospective drug in the horses system on a potential purchase. Are you going to test for EPO, etorphine,carfentanyl, frog juice, glaucine, fentanyl, oxy, aminorex etc etc etc.it would run you into the thousands if not 10k to complete. One could argue since he hadn't had a positive by the racing regulators that he would be clean. Fact of the matter is the shit is in the horses system and there has been an intentional attempt to misrepresent the horses worth by the presence of an illegal ped regardless of whether it was Richard or Sylvain that did the injections. Any judge or jury with a registering IQ could reasonably assume that the use of DPO was to enhance its value, fraud was committed and void the contract.
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It would be cost prohibitive to get a toxicology report for every prospective drug in the horses system on a potential purchase. Are you going to test for EPO, etorphine,carfentanyl, frog juice, glaucine, fentanyl, oxy, aminorex etc etc etc.it would run you into the thousands if not 10k to complete. One could argue since he hadn't had a positive by the racing regulators that he would be clean. Fact of the matter is the shit is in the horses system and there has been an intentional attempt to misrepresent the horses worth by the presence of an illegal ped regardless of whether it was Richard or Sylvain that did the injections. Any judge or jury with a registering IQ could reasonably assume that the use of DPO was to enhance its value, fraud was committed and void the contract.
Really? Possibly up to $10k for everything? And even at that, it's still not "everything" because (people claim) there are drugs they still don't have tests for.
I hope you are correct!!! I so very much do. All things known/considered, it would only be a good thing for the sport and business if this deal was voided and the buyer got his money back!
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Is it possible there was still some left in his system for meadowlands pace elmin and Andy comes up with positive?
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While nothing should surprise me in this business I would have thought it is highly unlikely that Moreau gave this DPO to this or any other horse. He has been on top of the hill for many years & I'm guessing he has been tested every which way possible including out of competition testing for many years. I'm hoping for the good of the industry the investigators find that someone close to this horse was on this drug & either contaminated him via hand transfer or pissed in the stall the horse spent time in. The testing today from what I read is so precise it can pick up minute traces of drugs that in no way could affect the performance of a 1000 pound animal. It would sure help if the authorities would give this information to the public at the same time as releasing the infraction.
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By the time a test picks up a"trace" amount of a certain drug you would need to reverse calculate its half life to estimate the actual amount that was given to the animal. DPO or any other brand of EPO is given by injection. The ole groom pissed in the stall excuse, poppyseed on bagels for contamination does not hold water. As for who gave it? Wouldn't matter so much in a civil suit. Moreau is the custodian of the horse as trainer of record and having the horse in his barn. He should be held liable for any repercussions. If he wants to rat out another party to prove his innocence thats more of a regulatory matter.
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By the time a test picks up a"trace" amount of a certain drug you would need to reverse calculate its half life to estimate the actual amount that was given to the animal. DPO or any other brand of EPO is given by injection. The ole groom pissed in the stall excuse, poppyseed on bagels for contamination does not hold water. As for who gave it? Wouldn't matter so much in a civil suit. Moreau is the custodian of the horse as trainer of record and having the horse in his barn. He should be held liable for any repercussions. If he wants to rat out another party to prove his innocence thats more of a regulatory matter.
100% correct
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Agree the ole groom pissed in the stall is all bullshit
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Agree the ole groom pissed in the stall is all bullshit
Why would horses eat urine soaked hay?
Burke used this for multiple Oxycodone/Oxymorphone positives--yet he seems to get away with it.
Extensive out of competition testing would help--but i assume the industry either doesnt want to do it or pay for it.
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By the time a test picks up a"trace" amount of a certain drug you would need to reverse calculate its half life to estimate the actual amount that was given to the animal. DPO or any other brand of EPO is given by injection. The ole groom pissed in the stall excuse, poppyseed on bagels for contamination does not hold water. As for who gave it? Wouldn't matter so much in a civil suit. Moreau is the custodian of the horse as trainer of record and having the horse in his barn. He should be held liable for any repercussions. If he wants to rat out another party to prove his innocence thats more of a regulatory matter.
So are you saying that all drugs that are given intravenously can not ever be detected in a urine sample? If that is true I will knock that off my list of possibilities.
As for your comment "reverse calculate its half life to estimate the actual amount", if that can be done that would for sure help in any investigation.
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Why would horses eat urine soaked hay?
Burke used this for multiple Oxycodone/Oxymorphone positives--yet he seems to get away with it.
Extensive out of competition testing would help--but i assume the industry either doesnt want to do it or pay for it.
"Why would horses eat urine soaked hay?" Great question. I have watched animals eat their own & others shit before & asked myself that very question.
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The only way the groom pissed in the stall excuse works is if there has been a scientific study to where somebody actually loads up on oxycontin than pisses in a stall or they actually have to feed it to the horse then test the horse. Then that study would have to be replicated once or more times to actually prove that that works otherwise you can't claim something that you don't know or something called hypothetical
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One more stupid thought. If you snort a bunch of Coke and even shove a little up your ass when you piss you don't piss out cocaine you piss out the breakdown by-products the metabolites and that ain't cocaine. Cuz if it was all the crackheads would piss in the jar and distill out the coke and then snort it again.
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So are you saying that all drugs that are given intravenously can not ever be detected in a urine sample? If that is true I will knock that off my list of possibilities.
As for your comment "reverse calculate its half life to estimate the actual amount", if that can be done that would for sure help in any investigation.
No I cannot confirm that all drugs given intravenously cannot be ever detected in a urine sample. DPO and like drugs are injected unlike oxycontin, cocaine, fentanyl (has various methods of delivery) which have been tried to use as excuses for contamination because they can be absorbed through coming in contact with said drugs.
As for trace amounts of a drug not affecting performance. The test finds a trace amount but that was after "x" number of half lives.
For example , say someone administered a drug 3 days out with a 2 hr half life. You would have 1.455192e9 or .000000001445192 left of the original amount of N=100. Is that a trace amount?
Again say someone gave a horse 2 days out of oxycontin 10 mgs which has an approx half live of 3 hrs. You would have 0.000152588 left of the original dosage by the time the test picks it up.
That is why I say you can estimate based on a range but would need further evidence to nail it down.
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The only way the groom pissed in the stall excuse works is if there has been a scientific study to where somebody actually loads up on oxycontin than pisses in a stall or they actually have to feed it to the horse then test the horse. Then that study would have to be replicated once or more times to actually prove that that works otherwise you can't claim something that you don't know or something called hypothetical
That is what i thought and obvious, but Burke and others have used the "environmental contamination" defense before and it has worked
completely absurd
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It's all a joke! Industry needs a huge overhaul. I mess with SCM a lot, but he is spot on about the industry and it's key players. The upper echelon is bulletproof. Moreau must have pissed off somebody!
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That is what i thought and obvious, but Burke and others have used the "environmental contamination" defense before and it has worked
completely absurd
It worked be ause the commission wanted it to work.
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EPO is given sub Q, not IV
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No I cannot confirm that all drugs given intravenously cannot be ever detected in a urine sample. DPO and like drugs are injected unlike oxycontin, cocaine, fentanyl (has various methods of delivery) which have been tried to use as excuses for contamination because they can be absorbed through coming in contact with said drugs.
As for trace amounts of a drug not affecting performance. The test finds a trace amount but that was after "x" number of half lives.
For example , say someone administered a drug 3 days out with a 2 hr half life. You would have 1.455192e9 or .000000001445192 left of the original amount of N=100. Is that a trace amount?
Again say someone gave a horse 2 days out of oxycontin 10 mgs which has an approx half live of 3 hrs. You would have 0.000152588 left of the original dosage by the time the test picks it up.
That is why I say you can estimate based on a range but would need further evidence to nail it down.
OK then with that explanation I will keep the trace amount on my list of possibilities' thanks. I am hoping one of his grooms was unfortunately being prescribed DPO or someone in the test barn or detention barn. PS: Mike Campbell is saying the drug is administered sub Q. I personally have no idea & maybe you are both right?
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Again say someone gave a horse 2 days out of oxycontin 10 mgs which has an approx half live of 3 hrs. You would have 0.000152588 left of the original dosage by the time the test picks it up.
I get what the poster is saying but to be technical Oxycontin is continuous release over 12 hours so wouldn't the half life be longer? Oxycodone is what he is talking about I believe.
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Woooo lol
Approved trainer transfers to Greg McNair from Richard Moreau. Flyingevenbettor N, Gigondas, Hungry Man, Hungry to Succeed, Kopi Luwak, Mr Ibinza, Patriarch Hanover, Reactor Now A, Stormalong, Wheels on Fire, Nasey, Stay Cool Hanover.
Approved trainer transfers to Claude Cadieux from Richard Moreau.
Gaines Hanover, Right Here Hanover, Aquinas Hanover, and Damsel Seelster.
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Gaines Hanover had long been trained by Moreau in Canada and Claude Cadieux in the US (including the Hambo). Ironic since Cadieux has long plied his trade in Canada, mostly training for Jean Yves Blais.
In addition, Cadieux was referenced in the below article on the Slaughterhouse Six:
https://canadianhorsedefencecoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/slaughterhouse-six1.pdf
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More trainer changes
The following trainer transfers are approved from Richard Moreau:
• Gregg McNair – Style For A Mile, Bettorstopmenow
• Vern Cochrane – Epic Dreamer
• Chantal Mitchell – Ladycorona
• Eric Nadeau – Fashion Frenzie
• Shayne Barrington – Cadillac, The Turning Point
• Raphael Bourassa – Ladysmith
• Rene Bourassa – Thrilling Times
• Malik Smith – Somewherentuscany, Bad Eye Bill
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EPO is given sub Q, not IV
EPO is given IV, Aranesp is given subq
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More trainer changes
The following trainer transfers are approved from Richard Moreau:
• Gregg McNair – Style For A Mile, Bettorstopmenow
• Vern Cochrane – Epic Dreamer
• Chantal Mitchell – Ladycorona
• Eric Nadeau – Fashion Frenzie
• Shayne Barrington – Cadillac, The Turning Point
• Raphael Bourassa – Ladysmith
• Rene Bourassa – Thrilling Times
• Malik Smith – Somewherentuscany, Bad Eye Bill
Approved is approved, and I am sure this is not going to be a rubber-stamp thing. So here are a few ties...McNair is legit as they come. Been around the game for a long time. Well liked and well respected. Both Moreau and Louis-Philippe Roy were protegees of Leo and Jean Tourigny. When Roy had a stable, he used to send (older) horses to Chantal Mitchell. He kept the younger horses, and hired Eric Nadeau to be his head trainer. Rene Bourassa, if it's the one I thinking of, is part of the infamous Bourassa family. Raphael trained for Determination at one point. Incestuous? LOL.
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Raphael trained for Determination at one point.
Nope
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Nope
nope. Ralph is Rene son....
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Nope
Actually, he did. Obviously he wasn't the guy. I don't know if Godin sent him a few, some cast-off's, or what, but I remember seeing a few that were for sale, specifically a Prestidigitator colt named First Digit.
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dont worry, more to follow
I’m sure there were Canadian on the list of buyers the FBI has. Has anything been done in Cannahada with those ?.
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Actually, he did. Obviously he wasn't the guy. I don't know if Godin sent him a few, some cast-off's, or what, but I remember seeing a few that were for sale, specifically a Prestidigitator colt named First Digit.
I don’t think Moreau was taking anyones “cast offs”….
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I don’t think Moreau was taking anyones “cast offs”….
Moreau wasn't training for Godin. Luc Blais was.