HORSEPLOP.COM
General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: London on July 27, 2024, 11:49:24 PM
-
Funtime Bayama suspended until December..
See a law suit coming.
-
It's not automatic that a horse suspended in Canada is also suspended in the USA. Plus he does have new owners since the infraction and that may matter. I'll bet they find a way to race him.
-
There is reciprocity..same goes if trainer suspended..
-
Does the rule-----US and Canada-----clearly address this situation-----a private sale that took place immediately after the horse came up positive (from out of competition testing)? This should be very interesting.
-
It's not automatic that a horse suspended in Canada is also suspended in the USA. Plus he does have new owners since the infraction and that may matter. I'll bet they find a way to race him.
If I was the owner and looking to get my money back I’m not sure I’d fight to get the horse to be allowed to race. I’d go to court and say I bought a horse that is now suspended because of the previous owner. If he’s racing they may say buyer beware but if there is no way to recoup money then I’d say the new owner would win.
-
They are nuts if they race him while trying to sue to get their money back.
-
Get your money back and move on.
-
Does the rule-----US and Canada-----clearly address this situation-----a private sale that took place immediately after the horse came up positive (from out of competition testing)? This should be very interesting.
Since out of comp testing is done with the same authority as on the grounds and race day testing, I am sure the value of the the test will be the same. If it were a claim instead of a private purchase it could be voided.
It would be in the best interest of both parties to come to a further agreement. Avoiding a civil claim and maybe a claim of criminal intent to defraud could be possible.
-
Coming to an agreement would mean someone would have to admit they administered the DPO, and therefore, nobody is stepping up to take that responsibility of guilt.. especially 3 HOF's like Yves, Moreau and Sylvain,, unless someone comes fwrd w/info or proof there won't be a settlement of any kind.!!
-
Was the testing (not the results) done before or after the sale?
-
Was the testing (not the results) done before or after the sale?
it was done 5 days before the NA Cup final.
-
it was done 5 days before the NA Cup final.
it was done two days after elim of NA cup..
-
it was done two days after elim of NA cup..
that would be the same as 5 days before.!!
-
There is reciprocity..same goes if trainer suspended..
Not true.
Signed.....Miss Maycee
-
I don't think Pollock wants to pay lawyers to fight about the original sale. The money he spent obviously means nothing to him considering how much he has put in the past couple of years. I think he wants the action and fun of watching his horse's race. If the horse is sound enough to race, I think he'll spend his money trying to get him "unsuspended" here in the States.
-
The horse can't race due to rules being in place about EPO positives. The HORSE is suspended and not the owners or trainers therefor Pollack is screwed if he thinks he can race the horse. I would call Yves and get my money back or I would call Canada and have him prosecuted for theft by deception and a host of other shit.
-
I don't think Pollock wants to pay lawyers to fight about the original sale. The money he spent obviously means nothing to him considering how much he has put in the past couple of years. I think he wants the action and fun of watching his horse's race. If the horse is sound enough to race, I think he'll spend his money trying to get him "unsuspended" here in the States.
I don’t give a fuck how much money someone has if you can’t get return on your investment because the horse can’t race why the fuck wouldn’t you want your money back?
-
The positive is not reciprocal with the USTA and thus the horse can race in the U.S.
The window to detect DPO is 24 hours thus a small window. Having the horse tested would not of detected the DPO when he was purchased.
He would of been treated either Sunday or Monday. I know the Moreau crew start at about 5 am and are usually done by 11 am. Especially on a race night.
But someone from the barn would have to be present to sign for the specimen.
One person whom had a lot to lose would of been the owner Yves Fillion.
Yves is a trainer himself so it's not like other owners whom don't know anything about day to day operations.
So Imagine when word got back to Fillion about the test. Being aware that his horse could be facing a 6 month suspension and missing the lucrative stake season. He sold.
My understanding is that he was asking far more for the horse and he came down to sell the horse.
I'm not sure that Moreau did more then take care of the horse.
-
Bottom line..SOMEONE RATTED ON HIM...why was NO other horse tested before the NAC final...
And another thing..why did the horse finish 2nd in the Meadowlands Pace..??? That EPO was out of his system....
-
Bottom line..SOMEONE RATTED ON HIM...why was NO other horse tested before the NAC final...
And another thing..why did the horse finish 2nd in the Meadowlands Pace..??? That EPO was out of his system....
If someone did "rat" on him, that is good thing and it should be done by everyone who has that kind of information.
If the drug creates more red blood cells, they would still be in his system.
-
If someone did "rat" on him, that is good thing and it should be done by everyone who has that kind of information.
If the drug creates more red blood cells, they would still be in his system.
looks like this horse had been on it as a 2yo...
-
McNair picked up Grant's 17or18 head from Moreau's farm today.. lotta money walkin out the door!!
-
Putin some grooms outta work
-
Probably some came with the horses ?
-
Bottom line..SOMEONE RATTED ON HIM...why was NO other horse tested before the NAC final...
And another thing..why did the horse finish 2nd in the Meadowlands Pace..??? That EPO was out of his system....
How do you know, no other horses were tested?
-
Gassie Coleman knows when to give. She hasn't been caught yet. Sharp as a marble she is!
-
Bottom line..SOMEONE RATTED ON HIM...why was NO other horse tested before the NAC final...
And another thing..why did the horse finish 2nd in the Meadowlands Pace..??? That EPO was out of his system....
Finished 2nd in Elimination and puked in final
-
Gassie Coleman knows when to give. She hasn't been caught yet. Sharp as a marble she is!
noticed when she made her way to Canada.
Now Beaton cant be beat..
-
This horse went from coming out of the pocket to take his shot, to almost a slow jog.....and got beat over 30 lengths! This horse crashed and burned! I don't know if this horse can race. He might need time off, might be on the shelf, who knows. I don't see a horse coming back from that in a couple of weeks. What I saw happen to that horse was kind of scary. Don't get me wrong, I've seen it all in about 45 years of being around the track. But that was a real extreme. A top 3yo, leading contender, coming out to take his shot to win the Meadowlands Pace, and within 3 strides the driver is looking behind him because he knew he was backing through the field. 30 plus lengths!!!
-
If they gave him back to Sylvain, i believe he would return to his previous level
getting $800k cash looks brilliant right now
-
noticed when she made her way to Canada.
Now Beaton cant be beat..
BINGO
-
I have not heard her claim the benefits of yogurt duche anymore.
-
horse is only suspended in canada lots of times suspended horses are sent state side to race
-
horse is only suspended in canada lots of times suspended horses are sent state side to race
dope
-
horse is only suspended in canada lots of times suspended horses are sent state side to race
Questions as follows:
Who will train the horse in the states?
Where will the horse race and what class will it race in? Can the horse race effectively, considering he 'back pedaled' through the field in his last start?
-
Harris still owns a piece so he will still be the trainer. Why did no one ask him what happened? Usually trainers have something to say about poor performances from top horses in top races.