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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: bond on July 30, 2024, 05:07:42 PM
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Never seen this EVER!!
Aged pacer put in with filly trotters and no one caught it !!
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?? Todays 3rd race chart shows a 2 yr old Greenshoe trained by Erv. So does the program.
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That was a pacer. Must have mixed horses.
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Replay shows horse clearly a pacer after breaking at the gate and regaining stride. Assuming it was Erv's other horse scratched from the 11th?
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That was a pacer. Must have mixed horses.
No it was not
Condition read two or three yr old trotters eligible
Pls read conditions sheets or race. Conditions
Were before making an asshole out of yourself
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I just watched the replay. Hard to tell if he had the equiptment but they refunded the money bet on him and he made the gate fine. They must have figured out that they put the wrong horse in otherwise no refund.
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No it was not
Condition read two or three yr old trotters eligible
Pls read conditions sheets or race. Conditions
Were before making an asshole out of yourself
Wrong Luc.
Race 11 Erv horse was scratched race 11. That horse raced in Race 3. So they mixed horses- no idea how everyone missed that. Hard to comprehend.
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Watch the fines list for the next few weeks. There will have to be one.
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I’d love to be in the Yonkers paddock when Kakaley comes to drive. The other drivers will be roasting him for weeks Didn’t know he was on a pacer in a trot race??😂😂😂
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Kakaley wasn’t on a filly either in race 3😂😂😂😂
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No it was not
Condition read two or three yr old trotters eligible
Pls read conditions sheets or race. Conditions
Were before making an asshole out of yourself
Do you ever say anything that ISN'T incorrect?
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Do you ever say anything that ISN'T incorrect?
Defending shady Erv before he even has the facts! Shocker!
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i think everyone involved should get life
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Defending shady Erv before he even has the facts! Shocker!
Typical of anyone who is friends with Surick
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No it was not
Condition read two or three yr old trotters eligible
Pls read conditions sheets or race. Conditions
Were before making an asshole out of yourself
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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LucPark cant tell a pacer from the hole in his ass. How long you been at this? Stupid!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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LucPark cant tell a pacer from the hole in his ass. How long you been at this? Stupid!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
dont worry about my spellng troll
got lots of money to get a spelling techer
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1.) Isn't there someone who reads either the chip or the tattoo to verify that there is not a "ringer" racing? (much less the right gait, sex etc.)
2.) Did Kakaly not know he was in a trotting race?
3.) What does this say about Erv Miller and who he sends out to paddock his horses?
4.) Did the starter not notice?
5.) What an amazing and embarrassing cock-up.
Definitely does not engender trust on the part of the public. From the replay it is difficult to tell his rigging, but was he pacing free-legged?
Totally inexcusable and should be the headline in HRU and DRF coverage, but doubt they will even mention it.
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1.) Isn't there someone who reads either the chip or the tattoo to verify that there is not a "ringer" racing? (much less the right gait, sex etc.)
2.) Did Kakaly not know he was in a trotting race?
3.) What does this say about Erv Miller and who he sends out to paddock his horses?
4.) Did the starter not notice?
5.) What an amazing and embarrassing cock-up.
Definitely does not engender trust on the part of the public. From the replay it is difficult to tell his rigging, but was he pacing free-legged?
Totally inexcusable and should be the headline in HRU and DRF coverage, but doubt they will even mention it.
Love your first point. The person checking the horses should be fined also!
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dont worry about my spellng troll
got lots of money to get a spelling techer
Spend some money on an etiquette teacher while you are at.
Or one that teaches some class.
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atleast 14 people should be banded lifetime
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atleast 14 people should be banded lifetime
Agree, people need to be banded
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Spend some money on an etiquette teacher while you are at.
Or one that teaches some class.
I loved that scene
https://youtu.be/eH9w6kxPIyU?si=039G0KFngwkkkw32
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Agree, people need to be banded
agree--minimally the horse identifier who either scans the chip or reads the lip tattoo should be banded
others should be fined
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Seems there’s a new guy at PD. Been making mistakes. Program had John K drive in a race when his wife Linda trains another in same race. Saw that couple times on the card. had to be corrected.
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Seems there’s a new guy at PD. Been making mistakes. Program had John K drive in a race when his wife Linda trains another in same race. Saw that couple times on the card. had to be corrected.
Isn't John dead?
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how about rhe race secretary and the trainer
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Maybe we will see this "trotter" on ongait soon! He can advertise it as having a very unique way of trotting. ngc3
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I watched the race. Guess you guys have never seen a trotter switch over to the pace. Really?
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I watched the race. Guess you guys have never seen a trotter switch over to the pace. Really?
I had 1 a number of years ago that switched from trot to pace near the wire at pompano. The horse outside him covered him up pretty good so it was hard to see, but they raised an objection and dqd him from 1st to last.
Regarding Erv’s horse, none of the other trainers in the race caught this before the race went off?
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Seems there’s a new guy at PD. Been making mistakes.
A guy at Pocono that makes mistakes. Where have I heard that before? I hope it's not our favorite Pocono handicapper with a new job there. ngc3 ngc3 Even if it isn't it seems like they don't have a very high standard in hiring practices.
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If this stuff is true and the ongait issue makes me wonder what kind of a fucking clown is this guy.
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I watched the race. Guess you guys have never seen a trotter switch over to the pace. Really?
No most on here are wash women
And f crybabies
Just facts
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I watched the race. Guess you guys have never seen a trotter switch over to the pace. Really?
I had one , just once, I called him my f-ing tracer, gone to the Amish now
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I watched the race. Guess you guys have never seen a trotter switch over to the pace. Really?
So if this is the case (and you're right - this happens) why was the horse scratched as a non-starter? A horse that gallops behind the gate isn't declared a non-starter, unless he's lengths off the gate, which he was not. And why was the pacer in later scratched? Judges - Travel. As in, he traveled into the wrong race ngc3
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I’ve know Erv for years personally I have nothing bad to say about him. I was told by a very reliable source this did happen. Now how the tatoo/chip identifier missed this or the groom didn’t realize the difference between the two horse completely blows my mind. Both should lose their jobs
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I put more blame on the track employee fucking up! Needs to be canned! Has one job and can't do it properly.
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Erv have people at the track who do the paddocks. People who do 10 paddocks or more on a race card. They are responsible for mixing horses up. They put horses in wrong race and stall. I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often at pocono Shame on them
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I watched the race. Guess you guys have never seen a trotter switch over to the pace. Really?
Saw this recently while sitting with the owner. Said; would you contemplate trying on both. The age old record was reset not too awful many years ago.
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I had a trotter win a race at Yonkers. In the photo, you can clearly see he was pacing. Not a word was said.
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No it was not
Condition read two or three yr old trotters eligible
Pls read conditions sheets or race. Conditions
Were before making an asshole out of yourself
We really need a pigeon symbol for you.
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I put more blame on the track employee fucking up! Needs to be canned! Has one job and can't do it properly.
In todays fines and suspension report the identifier and Erv each got fined. I would have fined the driver also.
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In todays fines and suspension report the identifier and Erv each got fined. I would have fined the driver also.
Correct. How is the driver not fined? Pennsylvania Racing is run by idiots.
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Was the horse programed to be in another race that day. If so the fault goes to groom, identifier, driver, even the starter.
If not and the horse was entered in the wrong race it goes to trainer, race secretary, program proof reader and then down the line.
Everyone assumes the authority above them is doing their job.
I once raced a horse several times at the fairs. There was one that beat me every race. One day a guy told me the horse was not eligible to the fairs. He was right. The trainer was a big time fair participant and the first fair entry was not checked. After that every race secretary assumed the horse was eligible.
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1 of Doug Hamilton's old owners came to the course today telling me Erv switched horses in Pennsylvania trying to fool everyone in a race? Can this even happen there?
1 of the drivers for Dave Jaabay said it was true and Erv got caught red handed but if course blamed it all on the groom loading the wrong horse in the trailer yet nobody caught it?
Keep hiring Erv to train and he's either incompetent or hires idiots.
If someone has the ruling from the stewards put it up please.
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BTW I think it happened at Pocono
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That was discussed here a while back.
http://www.horseplop.com/index.php?topic=78170.0
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You can delegate authority but you cannot delegate responsibility.