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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Rainman on September 12, 2024, 02:34:23 PM
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List the top owners and Trainers who have disappeared
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BulletProof Enterprises. Seldon Ledford
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Kesmodel Richie Silverman
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Joe Albarano
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michael osherow
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BulletProof Enterprises. Seldon Ledford
Sheldon is 90 yrs old and wears Depends. That cock sucker has had one foot in the grave for a long time.
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Jeff Bamond, Adam Victor, Cliff Siegel and David Scharf
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Four Starz
Peter Pan
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Arlene Traub
Susan Laden
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Joe Anderson
Leahy
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Joe Anderson
Leahy
Leahy = Jail
Bullet Proof = Jail
James Wondergem = Mob Hit?
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Owners: Me and my pals who refused to participate in a drug infested sport
Trainers: Larry and Ray Remmen
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Couple of nice Ohio stables that had some top horses back in the day :
Hobby Horse
Moxley Meadows
Pickwick
Peter Pan
Sahbra
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Pelling said he believed that Bob Glazer (Peter Pan) never got over the Panderosa fiasco at the Meadows where they found 4 nanograms of Morphine in his system and he and Pelling got shafted when a bunch of other trainers got wrist slaps for the same offense.
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Darby Miller, George "Fuzzy" Kramer, Wayne Moore, Warren Hansen and Mike LoCascio!!
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Pelling said he believed that Bob Glazer (Peter Pan) never got over the Panderosa fiasco at the Meadows where they found 4 nanograms of Morphine in his system and he and Pelling got shafted when a bunch of other trainers got wrist slaps for the same offense.
I got the shaft at the Meadows one time as well. Haven’t been back since.
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Bulletproof passed a few years back in jail.
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Jeff Bamond, Adam Victor, Cliff Siegel and David Scharf
Where did any of these go?
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Maybe in witness protection Ha ha
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Lightning Lane Stable
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I don't know if any of this is considered "disappeared" ----- however -----
1) David Brooks (Bulletproof Enterprises) died in prison while serving a 17-year sentence.
2) Ray Remmen retired and still around, attends various events, etc. (Larry is semi-retired as well and does the same).
3) Bob Glazer/Peter Pan, while part of it was absolutely the incident at the Meadows, you can ask Bob and Brett about that directly. Hear it from the horse's mouth, no pun intended, LOL. However, Bob's interest and passion in the business was impacted by two major things. One, he went from a big buyer of yearlings, to a big breeder of yearlings. His business and business model changed. That's night and day in the business. He spoke about this a lot in some interviews he gave. Two, his mother died, and they were very close and both had a passion for the sport and business, so when she died, Bob lost the person who he shared a lot of the business and sport with.
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I think Ray Remmen could have made it in Hollywood on his looks. George Clooney tmbz1
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Armstrong Brothers
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Dan Gernatt Farms of Western New York.
Breeder of Gallo Blue Chip, Sir Taurus, Elitist, and others.
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Sears, Roy Davis, Bob Key, Waples, Cruise, Popfinger, Manzi, Dancer, John Simpson Sr & Jr, Hempt farms
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Armstrong Brothers
The trustees made the business decision to sell the horses and the farm, and no longer be a commercial breeder. Highest and best use, LOL.
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Dan Gernatt Farms of Western New York.
Breeder of Gallo Blue Chip, Sir Taurus, Elitist, and others.
The Gernatt Family (Dan Sr. and Flavia) had a very interesting story. The end result was that Dan Sr. became very disenchanted with the business and publicly announced he was getting out of the business because it wasn't economically feasible any longer. He ended up getting out by the mid-90's. The family is still around and operates a holding company which used to have a variety of business interests and operations, from trucking, gravel, grain, and mining.
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Sears, Roy Davis, Bob Key, Waples, Cruise, Popfinger, Manzi, Dancer, John Simpson Sr & Jr, Hempt farms
Roy Davis and Bob Key died.
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OK, here's a few, and some might be a bit "shady".....
Jeff LaPoff
Justin Abbott
Mark Goddard
Evzen Pindur
Robert Chansky
Ray Flis
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The trustees made the business decision to sell the horses and the farm, and no longer be a commercial breeder. Highest and best use, LOL.
They had a beautiful farm
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Ross Croghan
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They had a beautiful farm
Sure did. It was magnificent! I had been to every major farm here in the US. Sure you had to be impressed with Castleton, Almahurst, Hanover, Lana Lobell, and the other great farms of yesteryear. In later years Brittany, Perretti, Southwind, Cane Run, Hunterdon, etc. There are others as well. Armstrong was a family farm through and through. Almost all of the family members were involved, one way or another. There was just a pride, a continuous and non-stop commitment to excellence there. It was really something. I'll never forget the first time I went there, the last time, and every other time! LOL.
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Peter Brandstatter
Tom Devitis
Cat & Steve Manzi
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I won't speak to the former two, but Cat is still around and is involved in the business. When he first retired about 10 years ago, of course he was working for Tom and John Cancelliere.
Steve left the business. Not sure what he was doing, but someone said he became a wine expert and was buying and selling wine. I can't confirm or deny that, it was just what someone told me. Unfortunately, Steve suffered a tragedy as his son, Michael, died about 10 years ago. He was in his early 30's.
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I won't speak to the former two, but Cat is still around and is involved in the business. When he first retired about 10 years ago, of course he was working for Tom and John Cancelliere.
Steve left the business. Not sure what he was doing, but someone said he became a wine expert and was buying and selling wine. I can't confirm or deny that, it was just what someone told me. Unfortunately, Steve suffered a tragedy as his son, Michael, died about 10 years ago. He was in his early 30's.
I’m sorry to hear that about Steve’s son.
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Ross Croghan
Sad story about Ross. About 5 years ago, Ross had what was supposed to be a simple back procedure. Something went wrong, and that begin a series of complications, sickness, etc. When this happened, he was out of action for a long time, and he lost all his horses. I think he went from 30 or so to one. From that initial procedure, Ross has now had something like eight surgeries, multiple skin graphs, and various infections that ran through his body. He got very sick and is still going through a very tough time.
Ross is a good guy, always helped anyone who needed it, and is a great horseman. Back in the day, he was a very good driver, and was competitive with the best of them too!
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Jerry Evilsizor
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Sad story about Ross. About 5 years ago, Ross had what was supposed to be a simple back procedure. Something went wrong, and that begin a series of complications, sickness, etc. When this happened, he was out of action for a long time, and he lost all his horses. I think he went from 30 or so to one. From that initial procedure, Ross has now had something like eight surgeries, multiple skin graphs, and various infections that ran through his body. He got very sick and is still going through a very tough time.
Ross is a good guy, always helped anyone who needed it, and is a great horseman. Back in the day, he was a very good driver, and was competitive with the best of them too!
Not good and sorry to hear that. I remember him at Los Al where hewas a force. Hope he gets well.
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Peter Ruscitto
John Plutino
Joe Schwind
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Steve Warrington
Howard Parker
Nat Varty
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Sad story about Ross. About 5 years ago, Ross had what was supposed to be a simple back procedure. Something went wrong, and that begin a series of complications, sickness, etc. When this happened, he was out of action for a long time, and he lost all his horses. I think he went from 30 or so to one. From that initial procedure, Ross has now had something like eight surgeries, multiple skin graphs, and various infections that ran through his body. He got very sick and is still going through a very tough time.
Ross is a good guy, always helped anyone who needed it, and is a great horseman. Back in the day, he was a very good driver, and was competitive with the best of them too!
Sad I wish him well.
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Dan Garnett was spoiled by his long time trainer, who took his worst yearlings and made a lot of them into great horses. Gernatt sold his best yearlings every year and put into training the ones who wouldn’t bring any money in the sales ring. These Adioo Bobs were successful against much better ny sires because of his longtime trainer, whose name slips my mind. I just remember the guy from Ben white raceway. He used to pal around with John Simpson sr. Hanover even named a horse after the guy. If anyone recalls his name, refresh my memory. He died relatively young
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Dan Garnett was spoiled by his long time trainer, who took his worst yearlings and made a lot of them into great horses. Gernatt sold his best yearlings every year and put into training the ones who wouldn’t bring any money in the sales ring. These Adioo Bobs were successful against much better ny sires because of his longtime trainer, whose name slips my mind. I just remember the guy from Ben white raceway. He used to pal around with John Simpson sr. Hanover even named a horse after the guy. If anyone recalls his name, refresh my memory. He died relatively young
George Forshey
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Forshey Hanover. Thanks for the reminder. I wouldn’t have thought of that name because it’s been so long.
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Adioo Bob was a kicking pain in the ass. Typical Tar Boy. George was a good horseman and a great guy to work for, with a pretty good staff. He made a lot of good broodmares for the farm.
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LaPoff may still be selling cars. Not sure.
Joe Schwind was selling insurance and investments at one point.
Peter Ruscitto moved up north and was working with his father in law in the florist industry.
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Ron Camden
Wayne Laviolette
E. Andre Brisson
David Tingley
Rax MacKenzie
Rod Allen
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I won't speak to the former two, but Cat is still around and is involved in the business. When he first retired about 10 years ago, of course he was working for Tom and John Cancelliere.
Steve left the business. Not sure what he was doing, but someone said he became a wine expert and was buying and selling wine. I can't confirm or deny that, it was just what someone told me. Unfortunately, Steve suffered a tragedy as his son, Michael, died about 10 years ago. He was in his early 30's.
Steve was brokering horses from Canada to the USA for a while. Don't know if he's still doing that now.
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Steve was brokering horses from Canada to the USA for a while. Don't know if he's still doing that now.
Yes, after his training gigs, he was an agent for a while. I don't think he's been an agent for a long time now.
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Sad story about Ross. About 5 years ago, Ross had what was supposed to be a simple back procedure. Something went wrong, and that begin a series of complications, sickness, etc. When this happened, he was out of action for a long time, and he lost all his horses. I think he went from 30 or so to one. From that initial procedure, Ross has now had something like eight surgeries, multiple skin graphs, and various infections that ran through his body. He got very sick and is still going through a very tough time.
Ross is a good guy, always helped anyone who needed it, and is a great horseman. Back in the day, he was a very good driver, and was competitive with the best of them too!
With all due respect we wish Ross well but he was one of the contributing gassers along with Pelling -Elliot and a few others that was using a box of baking soda and pound of confectionery sugar before anybody else. Ross was extremely hard on a horse he's relentless with his training tactics and pre racing.