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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Any1Left on September 23, 2024, 07:06:00 PM
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Yonkers raceway levi pace,,,,,,,,,,,,,, TRAINERS,,,,,,,, banca,,,Allard ,,,,,,,scotty d,,,,,,,,Burke,,,,,,,,Tatker ,,,,,,Alexander,,,,,,,,,,Bako,,,,,,,,Bonjiorno,,,,,,,, Oakes,,,,,,,,and now you just bought one from Australia and you want to go with a legit trainer and have a chance so who do you go with,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Can not think of one that would give me a chance,,,,,,,,,, Please give me one
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By the way many of you call many guys scum and you may be right so lets here the good guys and we will see why Gural can run a racetrack barring everybody,,,,,,,,
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I've long asked----give me the name of a high-percentage trainer----who does not have a positive test on their record. Even for an approved, therapeutic drug. Give me the name of a high-percentage trainer who only has a positive test for one of these drugs----(an overage of) clenbuterol. Bute (phenylbutazone)? Banamine?
That said, I can say, I'd give a horse to _____________ ----and someone else would say, no, they are a cheating, drug trainer, they did this, got caught with that, and so on and so on. I come up with another name and the same thing happens. So who do you pick? In the t-bred business, even the two well known guys who never had a positive test----ended up with positive tests----Christophe Clement and Graham Motion. Even Bill Mott, the youngest trainer ever elected to the HOF, his reputation amongst his peers was stellar, even he ended up with a (more than one) positive test (I think it was more than one). So, who do you pick as a trainer?
I've thrown out the name----Linda Toscano----and there are people who have a problem with her. I believe she had a positive test IIRC. I don't know. So who do you pick as a trainer?
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I'd pick whoever is training horses for gural.
Carte blanche
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Gural got it right barring PENA,,ALLARD,,BANCA,, AND A FEW OTHERS AS THEY MADE EVERY HORSE THEY HAVE LOOK LIKE A MACHINE,,,,,,, You CAN NOT OWN HORSES IF YOU ARE COMPLETELY AGAINST DRUGS,,,,,,,,,That is why i call nothing that races today great as you seen the real horses in the brown jug,,,, If someone told you the jug winner would be 3-5 you would not mention the winner,,,,,,,,,,, This is also the reason we have so few horses,,,
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I love it when people call JOEY B AND OTHERS SCUM and it cracks me up,,,,,,,,,,,,They believe if you murder 10 people you are scum but murder 6 and you are not so much of a scumbag,,,,,
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pick any female trainer and you won't have to worry. Gassie Coleman, Linda T, Julie M, Jenn Bo Bo - They will never indict a women.
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In the t-bred game, they went after Linda Rice in big way.
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not to open a can of worms but ..??
there are different levels of positives
some are truly intentional, over the top and harm the horses, many of the names mentioned in earlier posts
and then there are some that are allowable drugs/supplements but the quantity was too high or the timing not correct
that's all
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You are right about that MR JUG,,,,,,,,,,, But i do not know for sure who is using and not but the odds board sure tells you that some horses are going to be machines,,,,,,,
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not to open a can of worms but ..??
there are different levels of positives
some are truly intentional, over the top and harm the horses, many of the names mentioned in earlier posts
and then there are some that are allowable drugs/supplements but the quantity was too high or the timing not correct
that's all
Agreed. The former----if the drug has no business on the farm or track----throw them out. It was the latter I was talking about as well. Who are those trainers? I for one would like to see a trainer who does well, high-percentage, who only has "acceptable" infractions.
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Doug Dilloian Jr
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A claiming trainer from YONKERS,,,,,,,,,OK THANKS,,,,,
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I love it when people call JOEY B AND OTHERS SCUM and it cracks me up,,,,,,,,,,,,They believe if you murder 10 people you are scum but murder 6 and you are not so much of a scumbag,,,,,
I treat people how they treat me and Joey's family is treated me very well.
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Yonkers raceway levi pace,,,,,,,,,,,,,, TRAINERS,,,,,,,, banca,,,Allard ,,,,,,,scotty d,,,,,,,,Burke,,,,,,,,Tatker ,,,,,,Alexander,,,,,,,,,,Bako,,,,,,,,Bonjiorno,,,,,,,, Oakes,,,,,,,,and now you just bought one from Australia and you want to go with a legit trainer and have a chance so who do you go with,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Can not think of one that would give me a chance,,,,,,,,,, Please give me one
pat lachance . horses stay consistent year after year . wins his fair share of races
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He learned the game under ROBERT Macintosh and that turned out well ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,He was under him for 2-4 years ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Can someone correct me on the time he was under him as i am not sure but i know he worked for him,,,,,
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I never had honesty issues with my 2 trainers I was involved with.
My first trainer was the late Lynn Proesel RIP At Pompano Park (RIP) in the mid 2000's. She trained my 1st horse, a $4000-claimer named Allamerican Fancy. Lynn gave my girlfriend and I a chance to learn the game from the bottom up. Lost a lot of money, but immensely enjoyed the experience. FYI, Lynn also trained a world champion--Embers Scooter a dual gaited mare who paced and trotted and was the fastest combined time for about a year.
My 2nd/current trainers are the Connor's, Chuck and Janice. I have been with them since 2011. My relationship is not just business. I get a chance to have dinner with them on occasion, as well as other social events. I also had a chance to spend the weekend with them at Saratoga for a weekend during the Saratoga thoroughbred meet with them at Saratoga t-breds.
I also had a chance to ride with Chuck on road trips with my horses racing at Vernon Downs 1 night and The Meadowlands the next night!
How many trainers would do this with an owner?
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Rainman your trainers might be legit people but the game today is not the same and horses are breaking down with the drug trainers as today horses are machines but my topic is who would you give a very good horse to while running against a list i gave in my post and Pat Lachance is the only legit name so far,,,,,,, I DONT BLAME THE CHEATS ONE BIT,,,,,,,,,,,,, Today its real hard to rob a bank because you will get caught because banks have done a good job protecting their assets,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, If a secretary working for a member of race track officials gets caught stealing she will lose her job and might go to jail but if a trainer drugs up a horse and changes the outcome of a race were a couple hundred thousand of the punters money is involved the trainer will get a small fine and 60 days and in most cases appeal and win the appeal,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Does that make sense,,,,,,,,,,,, Cheaters can not cheat in hong kong and cheat one time you are barred for life as Patrick biancone at the time was miles the leading trainer and is barred or life in FRANCE AND HONG KONG,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ALL THESE GUYS PEOPLE HATE IN THE GAME are not a problem with a honest system........... ........Racetrack s will bar someone who complains about corruption instead of cleaning it up they cover it up and they bar a journalist for bringing bad press to the game,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Rainman your trainers might be legit people but the game today is not the same and horses are breaking down with the drug trainers as today horses are machines but my topic is who would you give a very good horse to while running against a list i gave in my post and Pat Lachance is the only legit name so far,,,,,,, I DONT BLAME THE CHEATS ONE BIT,,,,,,,,,,,,, Today its real hard to rob a bank because you will get caught because banks have done a good job protecting their assets,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, If a secretary working for a member of race track officials gets caught stealing she will lose her job and might go to jail but if a trainer drugs up a horse and changes the outcome of a race were a couple hundred thousand of the punters money is involved the trainer will get a small fine and 60 days and in most cases appeal and win the appeal,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Does that make sense,,,,,,,,,,,, Cheaters can not cheat in hong kong and cheat one time you are barred for life as Patrick biancone at the time was miles the leading trainer and is barred or life in FRANCE AND HONG KONG,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ALL THESE GUYS PEOPLE HATE IN THE GAME are not a problem with a honest system........... ........Racetrack s will bar someone who complains about corruption instead of cleaning it up they cover it up and they bar a journalist for bringing bad press to the game,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I know exactly what I was getting into when I got into this business 20 years ago.
I raced my horses against very unscrupulous trainers at Pocono 15 years ago. Still no regrets! Just more satisfying when you beat them in a race!
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Kelvin Harrison. Big Red is a trainer and all around good dude.
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Oh my GOD......Lachance started at Monticello with Banca even th I ugh h I s father was a SU P ERSTAR......Laugh ab l e p I st....
HARRISON ........are you nuts......CLASS 1 multiple times at.MEADOWLANDS... ..please do research before posting
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Honest Trainers.
Isn't that an oxymoron like jumbo shrimp?
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Long retired but Michigan (stunning) had an outstanding trainer with trotters Henry Wilson.
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My point exactly.....Pat Lachance, good guy. No, he's shady, he was hooked up with this guy, etc. Kelvin Harrison, good guy. No, he's a drug trainer, multiple violations for this and that.
Everyone is going to have a perception, perspective, and opinion.
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VIRGIL MORGAN JR
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Just look at any track the bottom 20 guys are the clean or honest ones . They also lose all the time
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Most honest trainer I ever knew and I have been around 45 years now. Dave McCaffery
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My belief is the top cheats eliminated honest trainers. Some will use less harmful stuff & less often to win. Everyone has to eat. JMHO
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Just look at any track the bottom 20 guys are the clean or honest ones . They also lose all the time
And if that's the answer, then there is the mental dilemma owners face.
Then you get owners----who you are legitimate, upstanding, professionals, business owners, etc.----like George Segal, Marty Granoff, Ted Gewertz, Jack Rollins, Peter Heffering, Tom D'Altrui, Mickey Chasanoff, Arlene Traub, Seth Rosenfeld, and numerous others. They've given horses to Steve Elliott, Joe Holloway, Brett Pelling, Linda Toscano, Robert McIntosh, Jim Campbell, Tom Artandi, Bill Robinson, and others. I would suspect most people would have a problem with Bill Robinson. Many perhaps with Steve Elliott and Brett Pelling. Some possibly with Joe Holloway. Where do you draw the line, and who judges where the line is?
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Oh my GOD......Lachance started at Monticello with Banca even th I ugh h I s father was a SU P ERSTAR......Laugh ab l e p I st....
HARRISON ........are you nuts......CLASS 1 multiple times at.MEADOWLANDS... ..please do research before posting
Hey dipshit, it says “honest trainers” not “drug free” trainers because there is not such thing as a completely drug free trainer But an honest trainer when it pertains to his owners is Harrison.
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Are you Harrison.......if all the DOWNUNDERS were so clean they would be home with the KANGAROOS