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Title: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: bello on December 01, 2024, 05:30:51 PM
Georgie was shut out today since his bitch Dean Eckley was banded. He was also shunned by other top trainers and his catchdrives were only for low percentage guys.

I guess until eckleys horses get bearded up. it may be slow times for Georgie.
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: Arrive7100 on December 01, 2024, 05:32:48 PM
Their meet closes at the end of the month, so it's no big deal, plus he also drives at Dover on Monday's & Thursday's.
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: bello on December 01, 2024, 06:04:28 PM
I dont follow Dover. Who are the biggest juicers there and i'm sure he will be on them. If not, he will be as mediocre as he was today racing for the lokes of Eddie Segar
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: Arrive7100 on December 01, 2024, 06:14:36 PM
He been driving most of the horses trained by Crissy Crissman/Sean Bier with a few catch drives. He doesn't drive for the guys I think are juicing. Last year he had 36 wins from 228 drives with $500,000 in purses. It's about a 90 minute drive each way from where he lives.
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: bello on December 01, 2024, 06:20:26 PM
I just downloaded a program. Pretty sorry drivers colony. I'll take a look while watching the Bills game in 18 inches of snow
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: Arrive7100 on December 02, 2024, 02:58:12 AM
I just downloaded a program. Pretty sorry drivers colony. I'll take a look while watching the Bills game in 18 inches of snow

Since you don't follow the track, most of them aren't household names to you.  Some are good drivers for the Delaware circuit and make a decent living without traveling. The purses in Delaware are much better than the ones at Harrah's Philly, and on a par with Pocono, and the competition is weaker, so an owner and driver can make money which is the bottom line.
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: GOAT on December 02, 2024, 07:41:45 AM
George has a half a dozen drives tonight at Dover and 5 of them trained by Crissman/Bier.
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: Newt Lobell on December 02, 2024, 04:11:23 PM
Since you don't follow the track, most of them aren't household names to you.  Some are good drivers for the Delaware circuit and make a decent living without traveling. The purses in Delaware are much better than the ones at Harrah's Philly, and on a par with Pocono, and the competition is weaker, so an owner and driver can make money which is the bottom line.

A few years back it was very good. But now? There are a lot of below average drivers.

Outside of Tony Morgan and Corey Callahan, the driver colony is pretty thin. Nap and Timmy aren't always there. Callahan seems to be in decline.

Pat Berry and Allan Davis are not good drivers and win with juiced horses. Wolfenden, Morand and Teague do not drive many races, though they seem to show up on Thursday when they have much higher quality races.

Where is Victor Kirby? He often went dead in races.

Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: Arrive7100 on December 02, 2024, 06:17:00 PM
A few years back it was very good. But now? There are a lot of below average drivers.

Outside of Tony Morgan and Corey Callahan, the driver colony is pretty thin. Nap and Timmy aren't always there. Callahan seems to be in decline.

Pat Berry and Allan Davis are not good drivers and win with juiced horses. Wolfenden, Morand and Teague do not drive many races, though they seem to show up on Thursday when they have much higher quality races.

Where is Victor Kirby? He often went dead in races.

When you follow any circuit you know what drivers you can bet and the ones you can't. In most cases the better trainers use the better drivers. Pat Berry and Alan Davis are good drivers on that circuit, and they almost always leave and put their horses in good position to win. Berry drives alot of horses for Bobby Glassmeyer who had multiple positive tests last year, and Berry's wife Tracy wins at a very high % so my guess is she's juicing but hasn't been caught. As for Vic Kirby, he's not getting many catch drives these days, has a small stable of trotters he partially owns, and in my opinion is finished.
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on December 02, 2024, 06:49:34 PM
I'd describe allan Davis ability as good enough to successfully avoid finishing 1st but really really bad at making it look honest
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: Kirbys Ace on December 02, 2024, 07:04:59 PM
I'd describe allan Davis ability as good enough to successfully avoid finishing 1st but really really bad at making it look honest

Allan loves to stay in the class with certain horses. Been doing it for years and judges just turn the other cheek! Been called out on it multiple times and business go's on as usual.
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: Arrive7100 on December 02, 2024, 07:14:12 PM
Allan loves to stay in the class with certain horses. Been doing it for years and judges just turn the other cheek! Been called out on it multiple times and business go's on as usual.

He drives alot of the horses owned and trained by either Tyler or Brendan Davis so it's a family affair. Alan and Tetrick seem to be buddy buddy, because after alot of the races, on their way back to the stable area they're always having a conversation with each other. Alan is a big talker which is a Davis family tradition.
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: Kirbys Ace on December 02, 2024, 07:26:15 PM
He drives alot of the horses owned and trained by either Tyler or Brendan Davis so it's a family affair. Alan and Tetrick seem to be buddy buddy, because after alot of the races, on their way back to the stable area they're always having a conversation with each other. Alan is a big talker which is a Davis family tradition.

"Alan is a big talker which is a Davis family tradition."

Amen brother Amen!
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: Newt Lobell on December 03, 2024, 12:56:15 PM
When you follow any circuit you know what drivers you can bet and the ones you can't. In most cases the better trainers use the better drivers. Pat Berry and Alan Davis are good drivers on that circuit, and they almost always leave and put their horses in good position to win. Berry drives alot of horses for Bobby Glassmeyer who had multiple positive tests last year, and Berry's wife Tracy wins at a very high % so my guess is she's juicing but hasn't been caught. As for Vic Kirby, he's not getting many catch drives these days, has a small stable of trotters he partially owns, and in my opinion is finished.

I agree with everything. Allan Davis is aggressive and I have made money with him because he can fire one out from the start. I've always assumed that Glassmeyer/Berry are connected.

I used to love playing Dover, but for me, I just look at the Thursday cards now.
Title: Re: Gerogie Nap at Harrahhs Philadelphia
Post by: Arrive7100 on December 03, 2024, 02:04:58 PM
I agree with everything. Allan Davis is aggressive and I have made money with him because he can fire one out from the start. I've always assumed that Glassmeyer/Berry are connected.

I used to love playing Dover, but for me, I just look at the Thursday cards now.

I'm with you, I'll watch some of the races the other nights and mostly just bet the Thursday cards.
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