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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Brown jug on December 30, 2024, 06:44:19 PM
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the brain trust at woodbine mohawk have decided on an earlier post time of 6.30
i am sure there were numerous meetings and extensive studies done by these morons
so lets see how much earlier the races end or just more time to drag out races
here is a thought
you could have left the post time as is or just move to 7 pm and shorten the time between races and win/win
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Their reasoning for doing it is so their races and Meadowlands races don't overlap. Their goal is to run their races 12 minutes after Meadowlands runs theirs on Friday and Saturday.
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I don't not mind an earlier post time but I bet they'll drag even more now and the races will end at the same time. 6:30 really means 6:45 as we all know
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dont give them too much credit gh
these people are morons
nepotism at is highest form for years and years
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I'm not giving them any credit, that's just what their BS reasoning was. Last Friday & Saturday Meadowlands 1st race went off at 6:33, which is 13 minutes after their scheduled post time of 6:20, which means Mohawk's 1st race won't go off until 6:45 if they actually plan to start their races 12 minutes after Meadowlands.
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God forbid grooms and trainers get home before 1am on a race night, only to be up again at dawn to start a new day.
Those poor gamblers having to arrange to be in their chair, at their screens an hour earlier.
Shut up.
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I’m sure they have had conversations with Meadowlands. I think we will see Mlands post much closer to the advertised time.
As I remember , they tried going on post time before. Said handle dropped and quickly dropped that idea. I don’t think they wanted it to work and didnt give starting on time a chance. One does not get shut out very often before adapting. Some tracks show post time as time race is to start, others it is when horses come to track.
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I’m sure they have had conversations with Meadowlands. I think we will see Mlands post much closer to the advertised time.
As I remember , they tried going on post time before. Said handle dropped and quickly dropped that idea. I don’t think they wanted it to work and didnt give starting on time a chance. One does not get shut out very often before adapting. Some tracks show post time as time race is to start, others it is when horses come to track.
If tracks like Meadowlands actually started going off at post time instead of 7 minutes late, the bettors would adjust and wager earlier. In their heyday, the races went off at post time and the handle, which was mainly on track was even higher than it is now. Jason Lapdog Settlemoir claimed they experimented with starting at post time, actually it was still 2 or 3 minutes late instead of 7, and handle was much lower which was an exaggeration. They never gave it enough time. He thinks starting 7 minutes late increases the handle, but he's wrong, people are still going to wager the same amount, only later.
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I wish they would have a clock that counted down that ended wagering instead of the traditional way. It looks so suspicious when a 4-1, while the gate is rolling, to end up 3/5 at the quarter and win. THAT WILL EVENTUALLY ruin racing new comers. Then you have to fight off conspiracy theories of open windows , ETC. they should try that BUT from what I understand the signal at an OTB could be off by many seconds so until that is fixed it will never happen.
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God forbid grooms and trainers get home before 1am on a race night, only to be up again at dawn to start a new day.
Those poor gamblers having to arrange to be in their chair, at their screens an hour earlier.
Shut up.
Perfect snapshot here as to how gamblers are viewed by the entire industry
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Gamblers don’t give two fucks what time the groom gets home at night , they also don’t give two fucks if the equipment manager for a hockey team is there until 4am.
The majority wouldn’t know most of the intricacies of a barn schedule honestly.
Moving the post time up will probably have little to no effect on the overall wager. They’ll get more action in later races, I see it potentially hurting the pick 5.
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First race wont even be on the track at 630.
There is an infield clock with the ACTUAL minutes to post. It is ALWAYS at least 7 minutes later than the tote board clock.
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Gamblers don’t give two fucks what time the groom gets home at night , they also don’t give two fucks if the equipment manager for a hockey team is there until 4am.
The majority wouldn’t know most of the intricacies of a barn schedule honestly.
Moving the post time up will probably have little to no effect on the overall wager. They’ll get more action in later races, I see it potentially hurting the pick 5.
In my experience, the entire industry completely resents gamblers, aka customers. And they are very open about it. From horsepeople to track employees and managent. Serious hate for the customer
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this was tom aldrich's( nfld GM) famous move, he invented it i think. he had a radio and he would tell the starter when to go. as he sat in the office watching the money roll in. thats a long time ago.
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Gamblers don’t give two fucks what time the groom gets home at night , they also don’t give two fucks if the equipment manager for a hockey team is there until 4am.
The majority wouldn’t know most of the intricacies of a barn schedule honestly.
Moving the post time up will probably have little to no effect on the overall wager. They’ll get more action in later races, I see it potentially hurting the pick 5.
Rabbit...here,s hoping you become less cynical about us gamblers in the New Year
Cheers
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Nothing cynical pylon, just the truth. I don’t think the overwhelming majority of gamblers realize (most wouldn’t care either as a groom chose to do that work) what a typical race day looks like for a groom , especially one in a decent sized barn. You’re at the barn well before 7am, no matter the weather. Take care of the horses you’re assigned to daily, muck the stalls, get the gear on, bath horses, wash equipment, put them away.
If you got one to paddock on race night , you truck to the track with the horses, unload (majority are on lasix so you’re there 4.5 hours before that one races. Depending on who you work for you’re often times looking at trucking an hour to the track, there 4.5 hours early for lasix, grab a bite to eat , get one ready, etc etc etc more work when the race is over, water him, cool him out, clean the gear , eventually load up the trailer, an hour drive to the farm, unload….Get home for a brief nap & back to the barn early the next morning.
Let’s be honest, there’s a reason lots turn to the bottle or dabble in drugs, it’s not an easy way to make a living. Not to mention these long ass paddock excursions don’t exactly line your wallet with cash, especially combining the vast amount of hours you put it in, buying your food etc. that’s why you have to live horses to do it for a living!
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I wish they would have a clock that counted down that ended wagering instead of the traditional way. It looks so suspicious when a 4-1, while the gate is rolling, to end up 3/5 at the quarter and win. THAT WILL EVENTUALLY ruin racing new comers. Then you have to fight off conspiracy theories of open windows , ETC. they should try that BUT from what I understand the signal at an OTB could be off by many seconds so until that is fixed it will never happen.
Get rid of the fair start rule but keep the fair start pole and rename it the no more bets pole
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"Perfect snapshot here as to how gamblers are viewed by the entire industry."
I'd like to believe I'm not an idiot, so I understand I wouldn't be racing horses without there being gamblers. It just seems to me that moving up the start was going to have more of a positive result for horse handlers, than it was going to be negative for gamblers.
I'm not a gambler, so I'm open to someone explaining how that early start fucks up your days planning and process!!
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I wish they would have a clock that counted down that ended wagering instead of the traditional way. It looks so suspicious when a 4-1, while the gate is rolling, to end up 3/5 at the quarter and win. THAT WILL EVENTUALLY ruin racing new comers. Then you have to fight off conspiracy theories of open windows , ETC. they should try that BUT from what I understand the signal at an OTB could be off by many seconds so until that is fixed it will never happen.
--it already has....you are over a decade late-
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--it already has....you are over a decade late-
The problem is the countdown clock usually doesn't start until 5 minutes past post time.
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the problem is they are allowed to bet after the race starts
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the problem is they are allowed to bet after the race starts
Some of that money comes from OTB's who send in their money all at the end instead of every few minutes leading up to off time. It looks suspicious when the odds change so much after the race is off.
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Some of that money comes from OTB's who send in their money all at the end instead of every few minutes leading up to off time. It looks suspicious when the odds change so much after the race is off.
suspicious?
its fact--they send bets in well after the gate leaves
watch Mohawk for the most obvious example--every gate blaster gets pounded every laggard odds go up
Any1Left and a few others here understand
most are in denial
I was once in denial until a former friend opened my eyes
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I follow the Delaware circuit alot and it happens alot at Harrington when a horse leaves from an outside post. At the old Brandywine Raceway in Delaware, their machines didn't completely lock until an average of 8 seconds after the start, so we'd be at the windows, watching the TV and betting horses who were leaving either to win or in exacta boxes.
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I follow the Delaware circuit alot and it happens alot at Harrington when a horse leaves from an outside post. At the old Brandywine Raceway in Delaware, their machines didn't completely lock until an average of 8 seconds after the start, so we'd be at the windows, watching the TV and betting horses who were leaving either to win or in exacta boxes.
I recall that window at Brandywine
Dover and Harrington leavers get crushed after the bell
I once was a lineup exacta bettor in the 80s and 90s
couldn't do it after they allowed pickpocketing in the 2000s
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you guy's are right
mohawk has very decent sized pools
so to see a horse go from 5/2 to 9/5 at the gate to 7/5 at the first true is not reasonable
or even more extreme odd changes than the example above
and of course always seems to be on the horse busting to the lead and winning
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no shockingly they start 40 minutes earlier now at 6.30 and they finish about 5 minutes earlier ...LOL!!
yeah that really helps the grooms etc
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excellent work
scheduled first post at 6.30
race 11 finishes at 11.10
everyone get home early now
joke
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no shockingly they start 40 minutes earlier now at 6.30 and they finish about 5 minutes earlier ...LOL!!
yeah that really helps the grooms etc
While i share your frustrations,,,in fairness the 1st race used to get off at 7.20..and this time its 6.40........20 minutes
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First race went at 6:44 last night.
Place is a joke.
If you were 2 minutes late for lasix you would have been scratched.
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The worst run racetrack in North America, complete incompetence.