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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: bello on December 31, 2024, 08:54:01 PM
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Hi Jessica....You proved you were not a gambler when you congratulated Elite Turf Club for having the only live p6 tickets a couple of days ago.
Now you and everyone else needs to read this.
https://paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/view-from-the-eighth-pole-were-all-suckers-on-this-pari-mutuel-bus
Now add the advantage of seeing who others bet with the ability to batch literally thousands of bets and send them in seconds before the closing bell, and where does that leave us?
Now add to that the fact that many drivers right now at the Big M and other smaller tracks that Elite has infiltrated and think about this. These drivers are not making much $$$$. I will use the proverbial term " the envelope" making it back into the game and think of the unbeatable edge that would give Elite.
I remember watching Skeeter Pines betting at Orange County OTB. He would give his numbers to the teller like a man on speed ( which he was). He also typically left out certain drivers ( as he was their bag man) from his "batch" of numbers and he would always collect, I will not name the YR drivers he typically left out as that will turn the thread in another direction. This was all at Yonkers Raceway.
These races were not ore-arranged perse but. As Larry Rplla described, all you need is 2 or 3 dead guys in a race. The rest are all whipping and slashing to win the race.
Fast Forward to today. No need to call in the bets. Batch em up and send in 3000 or more single wagers in the last minut3. and I mean 3000 individual bets not $3000 dollars. Now leave out the guys who took the "envelope" and you see why only 3 live tickets, all Elite were live in the last leg of the P6. I am noy accusing Elite, this is the cusp of what will happen with Caws. Who knows which one.
I don't want to debate you Grandstand Handicapper, but this is the making of the biggest scandal horse racing will ever see. Much worse than the Drexel Boys or the referees in basketball a few years back or any other betting scandal ever seen'. T
As it is they really may not need to pass out "envelopes" but I submit, it is likely to have started. Human greed runs deep.
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Anyone know if Mohawk 'victim' to this/these systems?
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I read this a couple of days ago, I was blown away by the complexity of how these CAW’s bWager, this is just another nail in racing coffin
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Eventually, There won’t be any carryovers ever.
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Eventually, There won’t be any carryovers ever.
It’s amazing that there are still some
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Anyone know if Mohawk 'victim' to this/these systems?
I don't know but there was a race Monday where the fave broke after the wings opened (betting should have been closed) and the 9 got pounded or wagers canceled. Pikachu Hanover race. Pretty sus.
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what a fucking moronic thread..leave it to the goofball losers on horseplop (no shortage there) to make up nonsense as if
they have some inside info while they are living in their moms or grandmothers basement
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what a fucking moronic thread..leave it to the goofball losers on horseplop (no shortage there) to make up nonsense as if
they have some inside info while they are living in their moms or grandmothers basement
Your funny. I guess Ray Paulick is a loser.
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what a fucking moronic thread..leave it to the goofball losers on horseplop (no shortage there) to make up nonsense as if
they have some inside info while they are living in their moms or grandmothers basement
Ray has broken many stories and is usually spot on. Not a conspiracy dummy. This is actually happening! tmbz1
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what a fucking moronic thread..leave it to the goofball losers on horseplop (no shortage there) to make up nonsense as if
they have some inside info while they are living in their moms or grandmothers basement
I'd hope you reconsider. Elite turf club goes way beyond horseplop. Jessica insulted every one of the customers. There is really no reason anyone should bet another dollar there
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Ray has broken many stories and is usually spot on. Not a conspiracy dummy. This is actually happening! tmbz1
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what a fucking moronic thread..leave it to the goofball losers on horseplop (no shortage there) to make up nonsense as if
they have some inside info while they are living in their moms or grandmothers basement
You have a lot to learn
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Great post Bello.
I read about this a few days ago.
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Jessica otten does not understand the program.
When a horse goes inside the pylons it is "ip" noted in the program. What this does not mean is that the was interfered with as she noted when giving wagering advice.
She wants to congratulate a devious CAW team with every advantage over us and steal our money, we should never bet there ever again!
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Back in the old days, the program used to have a past performance line and an index of what all the letters and symbols stand for. That was long before they removed the rail.
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Back in the old days, the program used to have a past performance line and an index of what all the letters and symbols stand for. That was long before they removed the rail.
This is true. I'd like to ask you. since she is a subject matter expert, shouldn't she be aware of all symbols and what then stand for? Or is that too much to ask cause they aren't in the program any more.
The horse in question was awful at Yonkers athe week before but she excused it for being interfered with. I think k cause she personally knows the owners.
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This is true. I'd like to ask you. since she is a subject matter expert, shouldn't she be aware of all symbols and what then stand for? Or is that too much to ask cause they aren't in the program any more.
The horse in question was awful at Yonkers athe week before but she excused it for being interfered with. I think k cause she personally knows the owners.
Someone in her position should know what the symbols stand for and if she isn't sure should ask Dave Little who is more experienced and should know. Sometimes these on-air personalities try too hard to show you how smart they are and end up looking stupid.
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Someone in her position should know what the symbols stand for and if she isn't sure should ask Dave Little who is more experienced and should know. Sometimes these on-air personalities try too hard to show you how smart they are and end up looking stupid.
It's a relatively small issue compared to her congratulating the elite turf club. after pools closed elite was able to see what uncovered combinations were out there and made calculated bets in less than 1 aecond to take down the pool. Everyone should be enraged. Its simply not a fair betting arena
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She should be totally impartial, and it's very unprofessional to congratulate them. Is it really her place to tell who held the winning ticket, no way Jose.
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She should be totally impartial, and it's very unprofessional to congratulate them. Is it really her place to tell who held the winning ticket, no way Jose.
The OP hit it on the head. The otten elite situation is far far far worse than anything else going on in the industry. Posters like the Grandstand guy will try to subdue it by pointing at the breeders cup scandal but make no mistake, we are seeing criminal activity with these caws every day
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Not that long ago track announcers never mentioned the odds on a horse during the race. Now most of them mention the odds before, during, and after the race which is unnecessary.
Many track announcers used to be boring robots who announced from a script. Could you imagine how worse off we would be if subjected to that every night from every track? Racing is boring enough as it is in most places.
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It's a relatively small issue compared to her congratulating the elite turf club. after pools closed elite was able to see what uncovered combinations were out there and made calculated bets in less than 1 aecond to take down the pool. Everyone should be enraged. Its simply not a fair betting arena
You understand the issue
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You understand the issue
Who is Elite. Nyra or Churchill,? I'm too tired to look it up. Either way it is a racetrack account. Ruining racing. Gural should be taken to the cleaners
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It's nyra and stronach. Anyone who wants to take aim, boycott sararoga, belmont aqueduct as we as gural for stealing your money
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It's nyra and stronach. Anyone who wants to take aim, boycott sararoga, belmont aqueduct as we as gural for stealing your money
Correct...Nyra shuts them out early. Located in Curacao...Very secretive. Maybe 20 huge bettors make up the entire group. Maybe 2 harness players. Hence my envelope suspicion.
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Correct...Nyra shuts them out early. Located in Curacao...Very secretive. Maybe 20 huge bettors make up the entire group. Maybe 2 harness players. Hence my envelope suspicion.
They shut early from the win pool only. That's very important to note. It hides them from public scrutiny. They are betting after all of is in every other pool. It's noticeable at the meadowlands more than any other. They can bet win after us there.
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not many over lays anymore
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Jessica otten does not understand the program.
When a horse goes inside the pylons it is "ip" noted in the program. What this does not mean is that the was interfered with as she noted when giving wagering advice.
She wants to congratulate a devious CAW team with every advantage over us and steal our money, we should never bet there ever again!
She is a fucking idiot. Do some research before spouting off about shit she has no clue! Those CAW's are stealing everyone's money. If we stop feeding the pools they won't have an existence.
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leave Jessica alone...I'm very proud of her and her sister...I'm Michigan horseman!!!
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so kiss my ass!!!
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also lions are because of the 2 clowns before...lmao
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DW and his daughter the best!!!!!
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learn how to read a program...doesn't matter who says what...find a horse can win...I had a friend used to say find a horse can win...like he said bet favorites win nothing
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leave Jessica alone...I'm very proud of her and her sister...I'm Michigan horseman!!!
No excuse for her giving wagering advice if she doesn't understand the program. It's nkt rocket science. Ip means the horse went inside the nylons, not that horse was interfered with.
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he was best better that I have ever been around...
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you have the rt not to bet what she says...smarten up
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come on grow up...read the program
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I didn't bet the horse. I was laughing out loud at her. She's a moron giving wagering advice
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uve been in this since 1975...doesn't matter who says what..nothings true
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I didn't bet the horse. I was laughing out loud at her. She's a moron giving wagering advice
I don't know if you recall, but for a few years Jenn Bongiorno was giving her picks on Cal Expo's broadcast like she's some expert handicapper without ever watching their races.
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I don't know if you recall, but for a few years Jenn Bongiorno was giving her picks on Cal Expo's broadcast like she's some expert handicapper without ever watching their races.
Can't comment on jen bongiorno at cal ex.never saw it.onky know what I saw ottem say. Pretty sure the poster defending her is the unhinged boyfriend/driver. He's had issues. Seems nuts
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I don't know if you recall, but for a few years Jenn Bongiorno was giving her picks on Cal Expo's broadcast like she's some expert handicapper without ever watching their races.
Sometimes a 'blind eye' is a good thing when handicapping!
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Maybe one blind eye but not both of them.
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I can say all these horses I loved watching...my dad had some
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leave Jessica alone
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DW best driver ever out of michigan
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I've done all this its hard...public blames you not should be like that
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Can't comment on jen bongiorno at cal ex.never saw it.onky know what I saw ottem say. Pretty sure the poster defending her is the unhinged boyfriend/driver. He's had issues. Seems nuts
I was watching cal expo when Jen was on with Gary Sibel and she actually did hit a few pick fours,
Gary was avg at best but Wendy Ross who used to alternate with Jen was horrible and I dont recall her
ever having one pk 4 winning ticket.
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Sometimes a 'blind eye' is a good thing when handicapping!
DO YOU LIKE A BROWN EYE?
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I'd hope you reconsider. Elite turf club goes way beyond horseplop. Jessica insulted every one of the customers. There is really no reason anyone should bet another dollar there
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Correct...Nyra shuts them out early. Located in Curacao...Very secretive. Maybe 20 huge bettors make up the entire group. Maybe 2 harness players. Hence my envelope suspicion.
This is accurate
the 2018 Jerome Stakes at Belmont when Firenze Fire dropped from 9/2 to 8/5 after the favorites had troubled starts wasn't a good look for NYRA-so they told them reduced rebates on WPS after 3 minutes till post
the bets come in after the race starts--as I have said a million times
Elite is mostly 1/ST and NYRA has a minority percentage--not sure of the ratios
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DO YOU LIKE A BROWN EYE?
Welcome back and happy holidays JUICE JERKOFF!
All we see on horseplop is you still have personal issues. SO SAD!
Please post constructively here not your usual GIBBERISH! Thank you
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Jessica otten just blasting customers on social media. For being $2 bettors., to telling them to shut up.
This person is a menace to the industry and a disgrace
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Looks like she'll be able to wear Littles shirts if she gets any bigger!
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Jessica otten just blasting customers on social media. For being $2 bettors., to telling them to shut up.
This person is a menace to the industry and a disgrace
Where did she say this at?
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Where did she say this at?
Twitter. She caught tons of shit and deleted everything
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What a dumb fuck. Hope they fire her fat ass! tmbz1
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Gural has it in contract;
they need to wager a minimum amount per card. (Elite)
The Otter is closely related to the Walrus family
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question: who are the CAW's ---specifically Elite---going to fleece when there are no more players? The answer obviously is nobody so the smart thing to do for the sake of preservation is to eliminate them immediately. But that would take consensus and forward-thinking, both of which don't exist in the world of horse racing. So dumb to let a few kill the many---can't think of one single business that operates that way.But what does Gural care, you a savage business man parading as a saviour to racing. That's laughable.
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question: who are the CAW's ---specifically Elite---going to fleece when there are no more players? The answer obviously is nobody so the smart thing to do for the sake of preservation is to eliminate them immediately. But that would take consensus and forward-thinking, both of which don't exist in the world of horse racing. So dumb to let a few kill the many---can't think of one single business that operates that way.But what does Gural care, you a savage business man parading as a saviour to racing. That's laughable.
Excellent post tmbz1
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Anyone who plays Meadowlands is a LOSER.
You play against Elite who has been given the tools to legally GAME THE SYSTEM.
Control yourself and stop playing there!
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Twitter. She caught tons of shit and deleted everything
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Good she should have. Horrible look for an employee that relies on the gamblers (to an extent).
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Anyone who plays Meadowlands is a LOSER.
You play against Elite who has been given the tools to legally GAME THE SYSTEM.
Control yourself and stop playing there!
There are posters on here who defend them because we don't know for a fact what elite is returning on investment. I say that is nonsense. Elite has a very real advantage thru the tools you mentioned. We should all consider that when we are deciding to make our NEXT bet. There are alternatives for the $2 otten thinks you wager with them
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She’s an idiot and then to delete it? Like no one saw it? She sounds angry since her feed bill is why higher than $2! ngc3
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She’s an idiot and then to delete it? Like no one saw it? She sounds angry since her feed bill is why higher than $2! ngc3
Plenty of people saw her tweets before management likely had them removed
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anyone have a screenshot of those tweets
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Who screenshots tweets from a nobody like her? The BigM show would be more entertaining if her and Little had a hotdog eating contest. Five minutes and the line is Little -4 hotdogs! ngc3
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Otten did hit a pick 4 this weekend, I believe it was Friday. They talk so much I don't pay attention, but it hit for $416 or something like that and Little went on and on about it. I thought to myself that he is overdoing it, and now I know why. They had to make sure everybody knew about it. Take that Horseplop. Ha. Little was also very defensive when horse came back after a huge longshot win and won again after he had brushed it off. He mentioned "the railbirds" had gotten on him after it won again at 9/2 or something. Their skin is pretty thin.
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Even a broken clock has the correct time twice a day. When you're on the air, talking like you're an expert and give out your selections like they do, and your horses finish up the track, you should be man or woman enough to accept any negative feedback instead of going on the defensive. I highly doubt either one actually bets their own selections, how could they afford to with how little Gural is paying them.
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Rumor has it that Little has an unlimited meal budget in his contract. No wonder Gural can't turn a profit! ngc3