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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Santa Case on January 07, 2025, 05:08:43 PM
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Race 2 at Dover at Today
Horse is 1-2. Doesn’t Bring the horse to the gate. Gets away 7th. After the leaders are just far enough away he then moves the horse and paces the stretch in about 26 secs to be a fast closing third making sure he doesn’t run first or second.
Guy should be thrown out for obvious race fixing
Good job Tyler Davis
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If you watched his race from December 31st when Allan was on him. It was their 1st start with the horse, he was .90 on a dollar, was sitting 5th up the backstretch and didn't pull, got stuck behind a wall of horses and came flying at the end and finished 2nd.
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That’s why I bet him this week I saw last weeks race
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Next week he'll put Allan back up and win at 1/5. With his program lines, you'll never get a price unless there's another good horse in the race.
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ive known people to sit on horses for months and months.
i ask this guy every week
not today
not today
not today
4 months down the road. i didnt ask. he says hey kid isnt there something you want to ask me? i said nah i know not today.
he said well kid. you are wrong. you can bet all you want. horse paid 45 dollars.
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That may have happened with that horse but won't here. They've had the horse for only 2 starts since purchasing him. He's been odds on both times and came from far back and finished 2nd both times. He's eligible for the same class so most likely he'll be odds on against next week.
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Dover is the epitome of a crony track. If you are not on the inside and you bet here, you are asking for a thinner wallet.
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I was at Dover on Opening Night in 1969. The parking lot wasn't paved yet, and our car got stuck in the mud and we had to stay overnight in a motel in Dover until we were towed out the next day. Dover is a 5/8-mile track but it's more like a 1/2-mile track but easier to leave from an outside post than a 1/2-mile track. Dover has always been a speed favoring track and there's rarely a live outside flow.
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Man don't get me started! It's not about betting! Its stay in the class and the xtra 25%. Do you actually believe Tyler and Brandon own all these horse's? There're silent partners from out i\of state and they can't go down because of the De. Owned bonus!, But definitely not setting up to cash a big ticket!
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it still manipulating a sporting event. even if your trying to stay in it for the extra 25% or whatever the reason. i mean dont get me wrong its the smart move but kinda illegal.
you are fixing the outcome of the race.
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it still manipulating a sporting event. even if your trying to stay in it for the extra 25% or whatever the reason. i mean dont get me wrong its the smart move but kinda illegal.
you are fixing the outcome of the race.
In order to fix a face, you need more than one driver involved because that would be considered a conspiracy. Just because you don't mind if you finish 2nd or 3rd and drive conservatively, or appear not to go all out, you really didn't fix the outcome of the race if the other drivers are all trying to win. You may have compromised your chances but not the other driver's horses.
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The horse showed many breaks before they bought him. If you look closely, you will see that the horse has different hobbles on this start. They want to see what hobbles and what hobble length work best.
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In order to fix a face, you need more than one driver involved because that would be considered a conspiracy. Just because you don't mind if you finish 2nd or 3rd and drive conservatively, or appear not to go all out, you really didn't fix the outcome of the race if the other drivers are all trying to win. You may have compromised your chances but not the other driver's horses.
If he has the best horse and intentionally doesn't win, it's race fixing. You are 100% wrong! tmbz1
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Race 2 at Dover at Today
Horse is 1-2. Doesn’t Bring the horse to the gate. Gets away 7th. After the leaders are just far enough away he then moves the horse and paces the stretch in about 26 secs to be a fast closing third making sure he doesn’t run first or second.
Guy should be thrown out for obvious race fixing
Good job Tyler Davis
Shocker...they are keeping this one in the class as long as they can! tmbz1
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If he has the best horse and intentionally doesn't win, it's race fixing. You are 100% wrong! tmbz1
How often does the best horse on paper not win, it happens all the time. Horses aren't machines and can repeat their previous races week after week. The horse may have been sick part of the week so they weren't able to train him, he had a bad trip, had a bad post and got parked, had bad cover, got locked in, etc. If the driver gives the so called "best horse" a bad drive, is that race fixing, maybe in your mind it is but not in mind. If the best horse won all the time the chalk percentage would be thru the roof instead of around 40% like it is at alot of harness tracks. The driver may very well have not given his best effort as a driver, but you still need to prove it was intentional which you really can't except in your own mind.
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If you intentionally plan to lose as they are doing, it is race fixing. You don't need anyone else involved. Race fixing means to intentionally affect the outcome of a race...which is exactly what is happening.
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My argument against that is, if you're intentionally not trying to win, why finish 2nd then, why not run completely out? What happens if the front runner goes on a break, and he's lapped on by you? I just feel it's difficult to prove intent.
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He's trying to keep the horse in the same class. Horse clearly isn't going to be a world beater, so let him steal 1200-2500 a week for 2nd or 3rd. If he were a killer they would just keep winning their way up the ladder. They could also be betting on the side...but most likely just stay NW2 as long as possible.
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He's trying to keep the horse in the same class. Horse clearly isn't going to be a world beater, so let him steal 1200-2500 a week for 2nd or 3rd. If he were a killer they would just keep winning their way up the ladder. They could also be betting on the side...but most likely just stay NW2 as long as possible.
I f you recall Muskateer Hanover from last year at Dover. Very nice horse, driven by Allan, had alot of seconds and thirds along with a few wins in higher conditioned races. After Dover he went to Running Aces, Kentucky, and some Ohio and Indiana with a different trainer and did very well for the local owners earning around $250,000 last year and ending the year in a few FFA races and picking up a check. Surprised he hasn't been back to Dover since he's locally owned.
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My argument against that is, if you're intentionally not trying to win, why finish 2nd then, why not run completely out? What happens if the front runner goes on a break, and he's lapped on by you? I just feel it's difficult to prove intent.
Because 2nd at Dover pays 25% not to mention the bonus of 20%. Running completely out pays zilch! Just watch him drive when he's trying to win. He'll leave almost everytime! It's not about cashing tickets or setting up races. It's about staying in that class until you have no choice but to win. Look we know what's going on and so do the judges! They just don't want to go against anything that might generate news and hurt the track. But Steele and the other two need investigating! Purses are paid by the slots and they could careless of protecting the public!
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May have bigger plans for him this year since he was competitive with the big boys, and this years older male division looks wide open.
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Because 2nd at Dover pays 25% not to mention the bonus of 20%. Running completely out pays zilch! Just watch him drive when he's trying to win. He'll leave almost everytime! It's not about cashing tickets or setting up races. It's about staying in that class until you have no choice but to win. Look we know what's going on and so do the judges! They just don't want to go against anything that might generate news and hurt the track. But Steele and the other two need investigating!
I understand all about the bonus. I was just arguing that what he's doing in my mind isn't race fixing. I'm sure if he wins even though he's not trying to win, it's not the end of the world. The race fixing scandals that I know about all involved multiple drivers like the one at Freehold years ago that involved, Brennan, Howard Parker, and Jim Morril and the one a long time ago at Northfield involving Jim Panteleano, David Hawk, and someone else who I can't remember
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I'm not sure if its race fixing as well but any attempt to alter the outcome of a betting sports event falls somewhere close to that. I don't believe TD is doing it nearly as much as dad because he's not a sharp on the track setting one up for that. But Good old dad has had plenty of practice and was fined once before at Harrington a few years ago for not trying.
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They are both types of race fixing. Just to differing degrees and for different reasons. Both are intentionally affecting the outcome of a race.
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I have watched the Jonathan Roberts replay dozens of times over the years, and one could argue he was measuring off the win, but when he doesn't get up it's perceived as not trying to win. I'm sure that's the argument he made to the judges. What looked bad was him leaning back a little in the bike near the finish line. Even today the top drivers measure off short wins.
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I understand all about the bonus. I was just arguing that what he's doing in my mind isn't race fixing. I'm sure if he wins even though he's not trying to win, it's not the end of the world. The race fixing scandals that I know about all involved multiple drivers like the one at Freehold years ago that involved, Brennan, Howard Parker, and Jim Morril and the one a long time ago at Northfield involving Jim Panteleano, David Hawk, and someone else who I can't remember
Tharps
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Thanks, forgot about good old Randy.
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Race 7 today at Dover. Davis again .30. On Dollar
Makes sure he he gets 8th from the 3 hole then just rides the rail and measures off 3rd.
That’s 3 weeks in a row he stiffed at odds on
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Saw it and thought the exact same thing! tmbz1
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Dont know what they paid but it wasn't cheap money.
The bigger question is WHY IS TYLER DRIVING HIM? HE RARELY DRIVES. HE CAN GET AWAY WITH WHAT HE IS DOING. JUST WATCH THE FIRST WEEK ALAN DRIVES. 1/9 AND WINS.
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Allan drove the horse 2 starts back, got away poorly and closed well at the end. Tyler drove him because Allan chose to drive another horse in the race who won from post 8 and paid $54
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Easy to fire from the 8 hole when you know a 1/5 shot is taking back to last when the gate opens. tmbz1
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This didn't look good at all. One of the worst i have ever seen! And his last race was just as bad! Have seen that regularly in those non winners classes from that group.No wonder bettors have departed this game.
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Get ready for a nice 2nd place in the 5th at Dover tonite by good old pops!
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Guess not tonite.
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I'm sorry this guy between races is horrible. How bout some Bimbos with huge hooters!
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This didn't look good at all. One of the worst i have ever seen! And his last race was just as bad! Have seen that regularly in those non winners classes from that group.No wonder bettors have departed this game.
Horse came back and won the 14th race on Tuesday night at Dover. Had PP 9 in the 2nd tier, got away 6th, pulled passing the stands the 1st time, gradually moved up into second over position behind a horse who was parked the mile, went 3 wide on the far turn, was driven very confidently and won by an easy 1/2 a length and paid $3.80