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Title: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: LUCPARK on January 08, 2025, 11:45:52 AM
https://ustrottingnews.com/u-s-harness-racing-economic-indicators-see-decreases-in-2024/
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: simplify on January 08, 2025, 12:02:46 PM
not sure if that subject line is even English. But regardless you mention cheating but support a known cheater like Erv Miller. Your opinion is worthless
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: bello on January 08, 2025, 12:08:13 PM
My New Years resolution.

Done with
1. Big M
2. Northfield
3. Dover
4. Hawthorne
5. Cal expo
6.Batavia/Buffalo
7. Saratogo
8. Rosecfroft

Meadows is good
Monti ok because I somhow still win there on horizontal wagers

and I bet some thorobred track. HISA does not put up with any BS
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: Harness racer on January 08, 2025, 12:33:36 PM
Harness gets very little of my wagering dollars!  I may bet some of the year's bigger cards, but not much else.
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: LUCPARK on January 08, 2025, 12:39:12 PM
not sure if that subject line is even English. But regardless you mention cheating but support a known cheater like Erv Miller. Your opinion is worthless

THK YOU

EVERYONE AT THE BARN APPRECIATES YOUR INSIGHT
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: kantseeback on January 08, 2025, 02:23:27 PM
Sire stakes races are usually clean. I won a decent amount of cash over the years on NYSS races. I haven't really bet any horses in quite a while.
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: Parked on January 08, 2025, 02:48:59 PM
“Back then” you could do ok but not any more.  2 or 3 trainers dominate trots and 2 or 3 the pacers. 
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: Yonkers1A on January 08, 2025, 03:22:20 PM
I’ve switched about 90% of my wagering to Tea Breads
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: JT on January 08, 2025, 04:22:36 PM
I’ve switched about 90% of my wagering to Tea Breads
I never used to bet t-breds .. now I'm more like 50/50
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: LUCPARK on January 08, 2025, 05:06:24 PM
I’ve switched about 90% of my wagering to Tea Breads

Love betting oak lawn meet

Love New York tbred racing
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: kantseeback on January 08, 2025, 06:02:39 PM
“Back then” you could do ok but not any more.  2 or 3 trainers dominate trots and 2 or 3 the pacers.

For a while Ray Romanetti's horses were always a go in the NYSS. He had a bunch of horses starting with Moshannon. He had 2 daughters named Maureen and Shannon and he combined the 2 names to make Moshannon.
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: kantseeback on January 08, 2025, 06:05:22 PM
“Back then” you could do ok but not any more.  2 or 3 trainers dominate trots and 2 or 3 the pacers.

I know the NJSS was dominated by a few but I didn't know NYSS was.
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: Open bridle on January 08, 2025, 06:14:59 PM
It's a suckers game. Too many inside bets.  I can almost swear that at Northfield they decide whose gonna win the night before. Wasn't like that years ago. Didn't have so many last second bets that destroys the odds.
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: bello on January 08, 2025, 06:34:27 PM
Appears that Northfield has been the latest Elite target and that means envelopes will be delivered
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: JT on January 08, 2025, 07:51:16 PM
After reading the article I'm curious which of the 7 out of 33 tracks in the USA increased their handle.
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: Horseradish on January 08, 2025, 08:40:57 PM
I bet Mo-bine a few times in the past week. Horses regularly in the last minute countdown going from '6-1' to '5-2' or from '3-1' to '6-5' and racing large or, conversely, live looking horses going from '3-1' or '4-1' to '10-1' and being completely dead. It's time to give up the overnights for me.
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: Horseradish on January 08, 2025, 08:43:10 PM
Sire stakes races are usually clean. I won a decent amount of cash over the years on NYSS races. I haven't really bet any horses in quite a while.

Agree with you Kant - At least you can see the form changes if you pay attention and for the most part everyone is trying.
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: KING HAKU on January 08, 2025, 09:05:55 PM
For a while Ray Romanetti's horses were always a go in the NYSS. He had a bunch of horses starting with Moshannon. He had 2 daughters named Maureen and Shannon and he combined the 2 names to make Moshannon.
Moshannon Express!
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: racing123 on January 08, 2025, 11:22:52 PM
Love betting oak lawn meet

Love New York tbred racing
you forgot Turfway...pick 5s pay enormous
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: kantseeback on January 09, 2025, 02:18:15 AM
Moshannon Express!

Thats one of his real good ones, another is Moshannon Finesse.
The guy was a guru with the NYSS trotters. I can't recall any of his horses going off stride.
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: Calhoun on January 09, 2025, 07:55:58 PM
I bet Mo-bine a few times in the past week. Horses regularly in the last minute countdown going from '6-1' to '5-2' or from '3-1' to '6-5' and racing large or, conversely, live looking horses going from '3-1' or '4-1' to '10-1' and being completely dead. It's time to give up the overnights for me.
Gulfstream Park's 5th race yesterday. Going into the gate (about 1 minute before the race started) the #8 was 17-1. The gates opened, #8 was 9/2. Won by 2 lengths.
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: Superfecta on January 09, 2025, 08:33:27 PM
Sports Wagering was way up.
Title: Re: THE PUBLIC LETS IT BE KNOWN CHEATING ,,AND WE STOP WAGERING
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on January 09, 2025, 10:53:47 PM
Santa Anita did more than $50m in handle opening weekend. I guess those people don't know or don't care. LOL.
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