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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Deadbeat on January 09, 2025, 08:58:13 PM
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Anyone see the truck filled with every Diamond Creek horse Nancy had leaving Takter’s training center?
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I'm sure they won't be long filling those stalls.
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must have been the residual of the karl catastrophe
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I'd like to see an actual picture of the truck, filled with horses, leaving Takter's farm...no, actually, upon further thought, I couldn't care less. Why would anyone care?
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Must be a truck the size of Noah's ark.
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I'm sure they won't be long filling those stalls.
Show me new owners that has came to Nancy since Jimmy gave her the stable
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DC to BP
CF to AS
BH to LW
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You guys say this stuff about her every year. Last year same thing and she really sucked this year! ngc3
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Show me new owners that has came to Nancy since Jimmy gave her the stable
There is probably a line-up waiting that couldn't get in before. We'll see.
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Takter barn will be just fine…just like Nancy! tmbz1
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There is probably a line-up waiting that couldn't get in before. We'll see.
No trainer turns down horses….
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Diamond creek has probably gotten smart and pulled the horses. Overall her ROI is very poor. She starts with a ton of babies and then has a few good ones. For what they spend they are trying for nothing but homeruns. Look at Marvin Katz - he pulled the plug. There will be more owners pulling horses from her in the near future. Diamond Creek will just be the beginning.
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You guys say this stuff about her every year. Last year same thing and she really sucked this year! ngc3
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90% owners got crushed--plain and simple. And I'm sure they're okay with it, they're rich and know what they are getting into. But there is no denying that for the stock she purchased or was given, 2024 was a disaster for team takter. And with that, some of those rich guys do say, " i think i'll try it over at brett's barn in 2025" or if it's a trotter Ake's.
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Look at Marvin Katz - he pulled the plug.
Katz is probably as smart as anyone in the business.
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No trainer turns down horses….
Yes we(trainers) do, have, and will turn down some horses and some owners. Anyway I sure as hell have.
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It is common for owners to move their horses. The ones who spend big need a superstar to have any chance of making money. Rich people that like harness racing want to win the biggest races. They are less concerned about the money. In the old days the stakes were mostly reserved for the real trainers...in my opinion. Today you have to compete with the big cheats & that makes it even harder.
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actually if you look at some of the recent sales results she trains some moderately priced yearlings and does ok
has she not won the hambo the last two years
karl cost $135
tactical approach cost $85k
this year she had champagne problems(made $650k) who cost $35k
what horses did marvin katz pull from her ???
i can think of one or two trainers who get more quantity and quality and have had no where near the success the last to years
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Yes we(trainers) do, have, and will turn down some horses and some owners. Anyway I sure as hell have.
True, didn’t Welch give Lucpark the boot? ngc3
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Crawford pulled her horses too. Sounds like everyone jumping ship
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knot wut u guys think. nobuddy pulling out of nancee. she voted for da donald and lost all her staff and needed to downsize. she wuz getting reelee stretched out takin on that load. she will make great recoveree and roi will drop furthur when she need to pay real americans. god bless da grate nancee
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knot wut u guys think. nobuddy pulling out of nancee. she voted for da donald and lost all her staff and needed to downsize. she wuz getting reelee stretched out takin on that load. she will make great recoveree and roi will drop furthur when she need to pay real americans. god bless da grate nancee
lol yeah ok she just told some of the biggest owners on the business to come get her horses. Get the fuck outta here.
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Did Jimmy say he was cutting back or really retiring? If so many would leave & in a hurry.
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I’m guessing she will have a barn full of decent ones! tmbz1
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Did Jimmy say he was cutting back or really retiring? If so many would leave & in a hurry.
Saying it for 5+ years now
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I’ve also heard her bills are questionable at best.
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15K/mo is more than questionable it's absurd
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If you tried charging $15,000 a month, your stalls would be empty!
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Don't be an imbecile and believe this.
Nancy does not charge/bill $15,000 per month. Period.
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Imagine showing up to jog your horse and see her beautiful body and that gorgeous smile. I’d pay whatever she wanted.
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Imagine showing up to jog your horse and see her beautiful body and that gorgeous smile. I’d pay whatever she wanted.
ngc3
Good one. Thanks for the laugh!
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ngc3
Good one. Thanks for the laugh!
Apparently you don’t know rare beauty when you see it. She is a pure Swedish goddess.
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Apparently you don’t know rare beauty when you see it. She is a pure Swedish goddess.
My laugh was about your line, no reference to her. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Beautiful or ugly, your line was funny. LOL.
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Imagine showing up to jog your horse and see her beautiful body and that gorgeous smile. I’d pay whatever she wanted.
Bro if she ever comes on here, based on what you post she's liable to get a restraining order.
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Bro if she ever comes on here, based on what you post she's liable to get a restraining order.
I actually sat right next to her ( my heart skipped many beats breathing the same air) at Hoosier during breeders crown week at the bar in the grandstand. She had form fitting jeans and brother she didn’t disappoint. I couldn’t tell if another women was even present, she was that beautiful.
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Don't be an imbecile and believe this.
Nancy does not charge/bill $15,000 per month. Period.
You ever had one with her? If not then you can't say SHIT. I have seen the bills PERSONALLY and it's very easy to get a 15k/mo bill. Go win a 200K race. She takes 3% groom bonus plus 1.5% on top of her normal five %. Once you get the daily rate of 125/ day get ready for plus plus plus. 3K just for groom bonus another 1500 for her and then daily and shipping and plus plus plus. 200 to ship to medowlands to train or race. plus if you at meadows her flight and expenses to go warm up. buckle up buttercup if you win Hambo. That's 50K mo for sure!
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You ever had one with her? If not then you can't say SHIT. I have seen the bills PERSONALLY and it's very easy to get a 15k/mo bill. Go win a 200K race. She takes 3% groom bonus plus 1.5% on top of her normal five %. Once you get the daily rate of 125/ day get ready for plus plus plus. 3K just for groom bonus another 1500 for her and then daily and shipping and plus plus plus. 200 to ship to medowlands to train or race. plus if you at meadows her flight and expenses to go warm up. buckle up buttercup if you win Hambo. That's 50K mo for sure!
You're counting her stakes win/percentage?!?!? Are you always so stupid, or is today simply a special occasion. Nevermind, I've read your posts---so I know it is the former. Obviously you're an even bigger imbecile than I initially thought. Thank you very much! Now I am not only grateful that stupidity is not contagious and I can't catch it from reading your posts, but now I know to completely ignore you as well. The next time you post something contributory, constructive, or not negative about someone in this industry---it will be the first time. Good luck with your negativity, anger, and resentment. Have a nice day.
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Stop beating around the bush, tell us how you really feel?
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interesting post sanchez with some interesting claims
i cant speak to Nancy but i have seem similar( not to that extent) at other big name trainers
expenses on top of expenses
she would have learned from jimmy
they grab while the money is flowing and owners are in euphoria mode
however that $125 a day seems out of line even for her but you never know
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As of 2023, thoroughbred trainer Bob Baffert charged $125 a day, I'm surprised it wasn't more, plus whatever vet expenses you incur. Of course, half his clients are billionaires so that's pocket change to them.
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The cost, is the cost! Most of those owners couldn't care less. They aren't in it for the money.
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I don’t necessarily agree with that. Even the absurdly rich draw the line somewhere! tmbz1
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I'm just guessing, but I have a vibe that Casie Coleman's bills were also in the top tier
Guess price of special yogurt was pretty high...
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You're counting her stakes win/percentage?!?!? Are you always so stupid, or is today simply a special occasion. Nevermind, I've read your posts---so I know it is the former. Obviously you're an even bigger imbecile than I initially thought. Thank you very much! Now I am not only grateful that stupidity is not contagious and I can't catch it from reading your posts, but now I know to completely ignore you as well. The next time you post something contributory, constructive, or not negative about someone in this industry---it will be the first time. Good luck with your negativity, anger, and resentment. Have a nice day.
But was I wrong?
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As of 2023, thoroughbred trainer Bob Baffert charged $125 a day, I'm surprised it wasn't more, plus whatever vet expenses you incur. Of course, half his clients are billionaires so that's pocket change to them.
What people don't realize is that 125/day is just the base number. With a t-bred you have 10/day or more just for the exercise rider. Then plus plus plus. When all said and done your probably 300/day with BB. Any top t-bred trainer your going to be 300/day all in.
As for nothing positive to say? How about Burke training bills? 3k-4k tops all in month after month no matter the class of the horse or how much they make!
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I don’t necessarily agree with that. Even the absurdly rich draw the line somewhere! tmbz1
It has been my experience that the richer the owner, the cheaper they are. It's always the guy with average means that treats the trainer and the trainer's staff well.
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Her vet bills are equal to or more then her training bills. She lost help cause she gave them $900.00 Christmas bonuses. Diamond Creek gave the horses to Pelling,I was told he left because the ROI was close to 3% and the Karl fiasco didn't help either.
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Her vet bills are equal to or more then her training bills. She lost help cause she gave them $900.00 Christmas bonuses. Diamond Creek gave the horses to Pelling,I was told he left because the ROI was close to 3% and the Karl fiasco didn't help either.
Hopefully Marcus laughed each time a horse walked out her barn
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Diamond Creek has come to the conclusion any intelligent and savvy owner would: that is, Brett Pelling is twice the trainer Nancy is and by extension you're more likely to turn a profit with him instead of her. Plain and simple.
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Bret's bills won't be a hell of a lot cheaper, maybe the help went with them. I'm not saying Bret isn't a great trainer, but that's no knock on Nancy, she puts in the work and has results. And I would rather have Josert drive the cheaper stuff than Jack "the ripper" Pelling, no talent bum.
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Jupiter on what first hand knowledge do you base the statement that Brett's vet bills will be equal to Nancy. I'm stabled next to Brett for over a year now,I've hardly see a vet in his barn.
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Yes we(trainers) do, have, and will turn down some horses and some owners. Anyway I sure as hell have.
Any famous names that we would recognize?
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It has been my experience that the richer the owner, the cheaper they are. It's always the guy with average means that treats the trainer and the trainer's staff well.
100% CORRECT!
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Jupiter on what first hand knowledge do you base the statement that Brett's vet bills will be equal to Nancy. I'm stabled next to Brett for over a year now,I've hardly see a vet in his barn.
I'd love to hear some expansion on this. A solid vet relationship is both unavoidable and advantageous in owning performance horses. I'm not suggesting anything illegal or nefarious at all by this; it's just facts. A vet is a vital and healthy part of any successful operation.
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He uses Steve Dye who's reputation is beyond reproach.
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Her vet bills are equal to or more then her training bills. She lost help cause she gave them $900.00 Christmas bonuses. Diamond Creek gave the horses to Pelling,I was told he left because the ROI was close to 3% and the Karl fiasco didn't help either.
They left due to only getting $900 bonuses? Sounds like more than 99% of grooms got as Christmas bonuses.
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On the subject of Karl. I'm sure they tested him before announcing him going to stud or at least that's how it normally works. Maybe they didn't if so, that was a big mistake on DCF part. Big owners like to change barns if they aren't getting what they want. I have seen owners take winning horses because they wanted to race the horse over its head & the trainer said no!!
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Bret is as clean as the driven snow, give me a fucking break. He's a great trainer but if you don't think he uses every means to have them ready to race.You don't know Bret. I was also stabled next to him. The Vet doesn't need to be there all the time, once a day is enough, or has he Steve quit doing his normal routine.
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If I were a groom I would be pissed with 900 when she charges 3% to owners for groom bonus. She stripped 30K from Karl alone and even if she had 30 grooms she only paid out 18K - That's total BS!
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Bret is as clean as the driven snow, give me a fucking break. He's a great trainer but if you don't think he uses every means to have them ready to race.You don't know Bret. I was also stabled next to him. The Vet doesn't need to be there all the time, once a day is enough, or has he Steve quit doing his normal routine.
Just like most bad trainers. A little jealous when somebody does well and you can’t. Typical low life horseman’s response!
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clearly they did not test karl before announcing and finalizing stud deal
would be very rare if the horse was deemed fertile at that time and then infertile 6-8 weeks later
dont see iit
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clearly they did not test karl before announcing and finalizing stud deal
would be very rare if the horse was deemed fertile at that time and then infertile 6-8 weeks later
dont see iit
They should have done their due diligence…personally I like to test a studs semen several times through the year.
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On the subject of Karl. I'm sure they tested him before announcing him going to stud or at least that's how it normally works. Maybe they didn't if so, that was a big mistake on DCF part. Big owners like to change barns if they aren't getting what they want. I have seen owners take winning horses because they wanted to race the horse over its head & the trainer said no!!
Dr. J didn't test Captain Albano!
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Her vet bills are equal to or more then her training bills. She lost help cause she gave them $900.00 Christmas bonuses. Diamond Creek gave the horses to Pelling,I was told he left because the ROI was close to 3% and the Karl fiasco didn't help either.
So what does she do with all of those groom and second trainer bonuses she collects all year?
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So what does she do with all of those groom and second trainer bonuses she collects all year?
You ever look at the clothes she wears and the trips she takes?
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If I were an owner I’d demand an accounting. If she’s taking money for grooms and second trainers and not paying them it’s unethical at best.
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If I were an owner I’d demand an accounting. If she’s taking money for grooms and second trainers and not paying them it’s unethical at best.
There are no ethics in buggy racing
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The help is paid extremely well. Most have been with her a long time and very few leave
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The help is paid extremely well. Most have been with her a long time and very few leave
That's BS - all here good grooms packed up and left. Now that Jimmy can't hold there passports hostage anymore they can leave.
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I'm not jealous of Bret, I just stated a fact. I think he's a great trainer, but don't paint him as a saint. He never over payed his staff. I just remember a few blemishes on his record. The Meadows comes to mind, Nifty and Oz took most of the shit. I have zero problem with Bret or Nancy, I know both of them, can't say anything bad about them.
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The help is paid extremely well. Most have been with her a long time and very few leave
nun of da help has a choyce now dat trumpy has bin voted in. he say go back home.
she will b slobbing trumpy knob now until she realize he made all her help disappear.
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I never said Brett was a saint,I said his vet bills (Injecting every joint cause you can't figure out were they are off) is not his style. The 2nd trainers got their bonuses,but the grooms got screwed. Only she knows where the money is. And there was a tremendous turn over of help.
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Proves ya don't fuck the help over. Shame she's so stupid. It's almost impossible to replace good help and it's never going to get any better.
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If the rumours are true what a bad look to the owners. Imagine being billed a percentage of earnings thinking they are going to the men and women who work like dogs only to find out Nancy is buying another Gucci bag. If it is true, kukos to those caretakers for standing up for themselves. I reticent to believe the Takters are capable of such behaviour and have more experience. AS the previous poster mentioned, you are nothing without good help especially when you're playing with babies.
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My babe Nanc didntdonuffin. She’s too beautiful to do wrong. She is a Swedish ANGEL…talented, rich, sweet and breath taking beautiful. Everyone else are jealous haters..
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Shouldn’t they be getting these percentages as the horse earns and not a lump sum? Sounds like bullshit. I doubt Nancy would pull something like that.
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The barns I have been associated with release that money post stake season. In all my years I heard of one outfit--a certain trainer---that didn't forward the complete amount to the grooms. Horseplop being horseplop, I'm with the previous poster and cannot fathom Nancy doing such a thing.
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Legally I think it would amount to theft if an employee or owner wanted to pursue it.
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That's the way most bigger stables do it, it helps to keep the help all year. If they leave early no cash. Owners can tip all they want at race time. I never had a problem the grooms know the deal. I never stiffed a groom or 2nd trainers, I had long term employees. Successful stables don't really have a problem with employee turnover. I hope there is more to the story, has anyone on here had a conversation with one of her grooms
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Another theory is that if she has lost a few owners and several horses, would Takter stable need as much help? I still don’t believe it was due to unpaid obligations. But a downsize may have been needed.
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Another theory is that if she has lost a few owners and several horses, would Takter stable need as much help? I still don’t believe it was due to unpaid obligations. But a downsize may have been needed.
r u sayin preprayshun for mass depotayshun? she dun luv herself some fat n chubby orange guy. he says nay nay two all da illegal staff she has. hear i thot she wuz sum grate paytriot 11.tb 11.htcrl
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Harness Racer you know what Jimmy's favorite move was back in the day,fire the groom in Lexington or wait till they got home. They never got their bonuses. Eldon Harner use to do that all the time. I don't know where the money is and who has it. I know for sure grooms left in bunches over the Christmas bonus incident.
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I never stiffed a groom or 2nd trainers, I had long term employees.
I got stiffed by a second trainer once.
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I got stiffed by a second trainer once.
lotsa grooms gettin stiffed as dey work there way up da ladder. not many r smart enuf two no dey should b gettin da bone-us not givin it
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Harness Racer you know what Jimmy's favorite move was back in the day,fire the groom in Lexington or wait till they got home. They never got their bonuses. Eldon Harner use to do that all the time. I don't know where the money is and who has it. I know for sure grooms left in bunches over the Christmas bonus incident.
If that’s true, it’s super shitty! Those people were counting on that money.
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My Nance is innocent of all wrong doing. She’s an angel. She just is.