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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Cleanupindustry on January 11, 2025, 12:45:12 PM
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I just looked at meadowlands schedule and now I know Jeff gural you are an asshole. You are not helping freehold horseman by adding 6-8 Sunday cards. You are an asshole. Let’s first everyone’s Sunday dinner. Have Sunday racing at 5. Wow stupid has gone stupider.. why can’t you race Thursday nights for freehold or Wednesday and Thursday to help horseman. What is racing Sunday for only 6-8 weeks gonna do. I’m sure everyone on east coast is thrilled. I hope meadowlands closes next you and that asshole settlemoir Belong together I’m glad I’m not anywhere close to these east tracks
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I get the feeling you're a lot closer than you're letting on. But I get you, missing sunday dinner sucks.
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I get the feeling you're a lot closer than you're letting on. But I get you, missing sunday dinner sucks.
If it didn’t affect him, he wouldn’t be this angry. Definitely a New Jersey Horseman! But yes it does suck. Hope no one bets a dime!
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Hahaha close in pa. But have made my way to freehold and meadowlands on occasion. But racing 6-8 sundays and that’s it helps nobody. I’ll be eating Sunday dinner with family not wasting all day in Jersey
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I just looked at meadowlands schedule and now I know Jeff gural you are an asshole. You are not helping freehold horseman by adding 6-8 Sunday cards. You are an asshole. Let’s first everyone’s Sunday dinner. Have Sunday racing at 5. Wow stupid has gone stupider.. why can’t you race Thursday nights for freehold or Wednesday and Thursday to help horseman. What is racing Sunday for only 6-8 weeks gonna do. I’m sure everyone on east coast is thrilled. I hope meadowlands closes next you and that asshole settlemoir Belong together I’m glad I’m not anywhere close to these east tracks
Holy cow dude this is America, no one is forcing p[eople to race.
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It's about helping the horsemen stay alive and by extension support Jeff's track and the industry as a whole. Of which Jeff is positioned to make a fortune. In stark contrast to the horsemen who struggle to make a living, all while working 12 hour days seven days a week. So yes, it would've been nice to come up with some race dates that made sense to all involved. I certainly get the guy's frustration.
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Without the swamp jersey is out of standerbred racing
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I just looked at meadowlands schedule and now I know Jeff gural you are an asshole. You are not helping freehold horseman by adding 6-8 Sunday cards. You are an asshole. Let’s first everyone’s Sunday dinner. Have Sunday racing at 5. Wow stupid has gone stupider.. why can’t you race Thursday nights for freehold or Wednesday and Thursday to help horseman. What is racing Sunday for only 6-8 weeks gonna do. I’m sure everyone on east coast is thrilled. I hope meadowlands closes next you and that asshole settlemoir Belong together I’m glad I’m not anywhere close to these east tracks
1st, the Meadowlands schedule has nothing to do with Freehold or Freeholds closing. It's the same amount of racing as 2024, (dates just moved around) with no racing in October & November this year.
2nd, You said you don't watch the Meadowlands anyway!
3rd, you don't care about Freehold or their horsemen, you wanted Freehold closed.
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No sunday racing meadowlands
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No sunday racing meadowlands
It's on the 2025 calendar?
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The horse population is at it's highest now. Thursday night has no US Harness tracks. A few decent races with 10 horse field should do well. If you card all crap the handle reflects it.
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It's on the 2025 calendar?
Yes, Sundays in February & March except Super Bowl Sunday (2-9)
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No sunday racing meadowlands
C'mon Gary, it's Sundays February 2, 16 and 23 and all 5 sundays in March, with no pool guarantees.
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"I’m glad I’m not anywhere close to these east tracks."
You aren't, so who cares what you think.
Why so angry about something that doesn't affect you?
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looks like big m has reduced purses slightly ??
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looks like big m has reduced purses slightly ??
Yes, some of the classes have dropped $500. I noticed a few last night also.
I believe they have done that in past years when there is less competition from other tracks?
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And if he didn't pick up days people would be pissed...
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And if he didn't pick up days people would be pissed...
He hasn't picked up any days.
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The horse population is at it's highest now. Thursday night has no US Harness tracks. A few decent races with 10 horse field should do well. If you card all crap the handle reflects it.
Dover Downs biggest purse night is on Thursdays.
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JG knows he can't win with Horsemen you can't make everybody happy. If you shut the place down somebody would be bitching if it's open somebody would be bitching you can't fucking win.
On top everything else you got a fucking RAT coming in there with a tape recorder in his pocket.... fucking MUTT can you imagine what Gural must have thought after the Mutt was exposed that he had a tape recorder in his pocket. Jeff was probably scratching his head saying who the fuck is this guy!
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Meadowlands President Jeff Gural spoke about losing money, “Even though we spent over $100 million to build a beautiful new facility which caters to owners, it has not resulted in drawing people, even horse people, to come to the track.
“The reality is that for us to continue to conduct a 90-day harness racing meet, The Meadowlands, like all the other harness tracks in the Northeast, needs the revenue a casino generates to help fund purses and operating costs.
“Every year our main competitor, Yonkers, receives $50 million for purses while Pocono and Harrah’s Philly each get around $30 million in ancillary revenue from gaming. Without casino revenue, we receive only a $6 million grant from the state and unlike the other tracks, we share our sports betting revenue with the horsemen.
“The truth is harness racing only exists in NJ because I continue to underwrite the losses in the hope of getting a casino and making my investment pay off but I'm not getting any younger and our customers are continuing to die off which weakens our case each year."
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Meadowlands President Jeff Gural spoke about losing money, “Even though we spent over $100 million to build a beautiful new facility which caters to owners, it has not resulted in drawing people, even horse people, to come to the track.
“The reality is that for us to continue to conduct a 90-day harness racing meet, The Meadowlands, like all the other harness tracks in the Northeast, needs the revenue a casino generates to help fund purses and operating costs.
“Every year our main competitor, Yonkers, receives $50 million for purses while Pocono and Harrah’s Philly each get around $30 million in ancillary revenue from gaming. Without casino revenue, we receive only a $6 million grant from the state and unlike the other tracks, we share our sports betting revenue with the horsemen.
“The truth is harness racing only exists in NJ because I continue to underwrite the losses in the hope of getting a casino and making my investment pay off but I'm not getting any younger and our customers are continuing to die off which weakens our case each year."
Well folks that about sums it up. Spoken like a true businessman thank you for the informative post.
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Meadowlands President Jeff Gural spoke about losing money, “Even though we spent over $100 million to build a beautiful new facility which caters to owners, it has not resulted in drawing people, even horse people, to come to the track.
“The reality is that for us to continue to conduct a 90-day harness racing meet, The Meadowlands, like all the other harness tracks in the Northeast, needs the revenue a casino generates to help fund purses and operating costs.
“Every year our main competitor, Yonkers, receives $50 million for purses while Pocono and Harrah’s Philly each get around $30 million in ancillary revenue from gaming. Without casino revenue, we receive only a $6 million grant from the state and unlike the other tracks, we share our sports betting revenue with the horsemen.
“The truth is harness racing only exists in NJ because I continue to underwrite the losses in the hope of getting a casino and making my investment pay off but I'm not getting any younger and our customers are continuing to die off which weakens our case each year."
Correct Quote
“The truth is harness racing only exists in NJ because we have good lobbyists and provide thousands of jobs and green space, but our customers are continuing to die off which weakens our case each year.
“Making it worse, unlike here at the Meadowlands the owners at all of the other racetracks are casino companies who would prefer to see horse racing disappear.”
Well folks that about sums it up. Spoken like a true businessman thank you for the informative post.
Anyone who thinks "Stanetelman" posts are informative isn't paying attention.
https://harnesslink.com/usa/meadowlands-sees-decline-in-revenue/
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I've never been a big fan of Jeff Gural. I'm sure he's aware of the many negative comments said about him. If I was him, I'd just say "Fuck it", and retire. He must be in his mid 70's by now and I'm guessing he has enough cash to retire in comfort. Who needs the aggravation? The Meadowlands was the "showcase"of harness racing for a long time. It may still be, but the sport has changed. So why not just get out? Let New Jersey and the horse folk worry about it.
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I've never been a big fan of Jeff Gural. I'm sure he's aware of the many negative comments said about him. If I was him, I'd just say "Fuck it", and retire. He must be in his mid 70's by now and I'm guessing he has enough cash to retire in comfort. Who needs the aggravation? The Meadowlands was the "showcase"of harness racing for a long time. It may still be, but the sport has changed. So why not just get out? Let New Jersey and the horse folk worry about it.
He will die there. He wants the casino and he has plenty of ass kissers there to make him feel important.
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Jason Settlemoir has chapped lips from kissing his ass so much!
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He is not getting a casino, period.
By self declaring himself as "savior", he thought the state of NJ would give him one.
NJ politics doesn't work that way-and Gural is finally comprehending that fact.
Now he thinks by holding harness racing hostage, that will get him a casino.
NJ politics doesn't work that way.
He will not get a casino, period.
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He is not getting a casino, period.
By self declaring himself as "savior", he thought the state of NJ would give him one.
NJ politics doesn't work that way-and Gural is finally comprehending that fact.
Now he thinks by holding harness racing hostage, that will get him a casino.
NJ politics doesn't work that way.
He will not get a casino, period.
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Jeff Gural to Debbie Little from HRU
“To be honest, I think if we don’t get a casino at The Meadowlands in the next two or three years, most likely, or some kind of subsidy, then we would probably be closed, because I expect to lose money this year and next and I feel like nobody wants to write a check,” he said. “So, it’s very, very gloomy, although, to be honest, I’m optimistic that we will get a casino, that’s my take. But without a casino, we’re in big trouble.”
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Jason Settlemoir has chapped lips from kissing his ass so much!
Also chapped from kissing Roger Huston's ass during jug week. I miss Sam McKee
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Powers that be in AC will never allow it! tmbz1
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Powers that be in AC will never allow it! tmbz1
finally somebody gets it tmbz1
very refreshing--probably from NJ
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If people don't think AC has a bunch of politicians in their back pocket, they don't have a clue! tmbz1
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If people don't think AC has a bunch of politicians in their back pocket, they don't have a clue! tmbz1
Most posters here don't have a clue about NJ politics
they think Gural deserves a casino because he kept M1 going a extra few years
AC has paid off Trenton politicians since the late 70s to ensure there will be no other casinos outside Atlantic City
I have NO idea why that is so difficult to understand
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Most posters here don't have a clue about NJ politics
they think Gural deserves a casino because he kept M1 going an extra few years
AC has paid off Trenton politicians since the late 70s to ensure there will be no other casinos outside Atlantic City
I have NO idea why that is so difficult to understand
Ask Sweeney
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Jeff Gural acts like he's the savior who saved Meadowlands, but everybody knows he did it hoping for a casino to be built so he can line his pockets. Now that it's extremely unlikely to ever happen, he's crying poor and threatening to close the place in a few years.
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He is the savior of the Meadowlands, he wanted a casino, didn't get it but still racing. Who tries to save it after he's gone. He's 83 and doesn't look that healthy. Just keep racing. Let him bitch.
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Hate it when millionaires like him cry poor. Would he have saved it if he knew he wouldn't get a casino, who knows.
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Hate it when millionaires like him cry poor. Would he have saved it if he knew he wouldn't get a casino, who knows.
the answer is an emphatic NO
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Rich people like him invest money so they can become even richer. Still don't think he belongs in the Hall of Fame, exactly what are his credentials, just because he saved Meadowlands?
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Jeff Gural on HRU:
"In any case, I am totally committed to keeping The Meadowlands afloat and, while we will lose millions of dollars in the next two years, I am reasonably optimistic that at the end of the day we will have a casino, and our racing product will once again be the best in the world with no drag and a lower takeout."
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NJ people have long said there would never be slot machines outside AC. There aren't, but the law got passed to allow it. NJ people long said there would never be OTW, until they said OJK. NJ people also said there would never be anything other than pari-mutuel wagering and AC in NJ. Until sports betting. Times change. People, including politicians change. Sometimes because they want to. Sometimes because they have to.
Today there are casinos up and down outside the NJ borders. There will be more, and who knows, they might get closer. If NJ wants to be foolish, it won't be the first time. Regardless, I think we will see a casino in NJ outside AC within the next 15 years, 20 at the outside. I can't say it will be at the Meadowlands, but I do think that location will be the frontrunner. And here's the secret...it will be a casino company that gets it. Gee, what a surprise. LOL. If Gural was given a casino tomorrow, it wouldn't be "Jeff's Casino". Gural would partner with a casino company. He always was going to and he always will. I also think if it happens, the horsemen will get the best deal nationwide. You may not like him. But he did what nobody else could do. People talked. But his call was the only one answered. Don't believe it? The Meadowlands is open.
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NJ people have long said there would never be slot machines outside AC. There aren't, but the law got passed to allow it. NJ people long said there would never be OTW, until they said OJK. NJ people also said there would never be anything other than pari-mutuel wagering and AC in NJ. Until sports betting. Times change. People, including politicians change. Sometimes because they want to. Sometimes because they have to.
Today there are casinos up and down outside the NJ borders. There will be more, and who knows, they might get closer. If NJ wants to be foolish, it won't be the first time. Regardless, I think we will see a casino in NJ outside AC within the next 15 years, 20 at the outside. I can't say it will be at the Meadowlands, but I do think that location will be the frontrunner. And here's the secret...it will be a casino company that gets it. Gee, what a surprise. LOL. If Gural was given a casino tomorrow, it wouldn't be "Jeff's Casino". Gural would partner with a casino company. He always was going to and he always will. I also think if it happens, the horsemen will get the best deal nationwide. You may not like him. But he did what nobody else could do. People talked. But his call was the only one answered. Don't believe it? The Meadowlands is open.
I mentioned in another thread about 1 week ago that he was sitting at the next table at Trotters the Friday before last. I went over to him and asked about a casino at the meadowlands, and he was sure he would have 1 within 2 years.
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But racing 6-8 sundays and that’s it helps nobody. I’ll be eating Sunday dinner with family not wasting all day in Jersey
So you're making it a religious thing?
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I thought NJ residents have to vote on allowing Casinos outside AC. The last vote was overwhelmingly against
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So you're making it a religious thing?
Back in the day when harness racing had a following,Sunday cards were typically the best cards of the week. I know, you can’t compare today with “back in the day”, unfortunately those days are long gone
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I mentioned in another thread about 1 week ago that he was sitting at the next table at Trotters the Friday before last. I went over to him and asked about a casino at the meadowlands, and he was sure he would have 1 within 2 years.
When it comes to politics, making sense isn’t required. So far AC has been successful in keeping out casinos in other parts of the state since the mid to late 70’s. Taking that one time large subsidy by agreeing to to politic for a casino in the future certainly came back and bit them in the ass. QC has been successful at killing this for 50 years, regardless the shit hole AC has become again. Yes , perhaps there will be a time for a Meadowlands casino, but if it’s 15-20:years , both Gerald and the Meadowlands will be long gone. The writing is on the wall.
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I mentioned in another thread about 1 week ago that he was sitting at the next table at Trotters the Friday before last. I went over to him and asked about a casino at the meadowlands, and he was sure he would have 1 within 2 years.
He knows a lot more than we do. That's a fact. Listen, like him or not, Jeff is not stupid, not naive, and not disillusioned about what is possible, probable, etc. He may be enthusiastic and even hopeful, but he's not in denial. When the Meadowlands was slated to close, several interested parties were talking, lining up, even reaching out. Gural's call was the only one that was answered. Even if Gural doesn't get a casino "soon"----I think he may put together a group, a management company per se, as his succession or even more his continuity plan. The people who could and would be ideal candidates are not, simply because of their age and their own planning, but Gural will figure it out. Plus, in the end, it's a casino company that will be managing that side of the business. Personally, I hope he gets a casino. Somebody, some company will. Like I said, I think it's a 15 year time frame, perhaps less.
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He knows a lot more than we do. That's a fact. Listen, like him or not, Jeff is not stupid, not naive, and not disillusioned about what is possible, probable, etc. He may be enthusiastic and even hopeful, but he's not in denial. When the Meadowlands was slated to close, several interested parties were talking, lining up, even reaching out. Gural's call was the only one that was answered. Even if Gural doesn't get a casino "soon"----I think he may put together a group, a management company per se, as his succession or even more his continuity plan. The people who could and would be ideal candidates are not, simply because of their age and their own planning, but Gural will figure it out. Plus, in the end, it's a casino company that will be managing that side of the business. Personally, I hope he gets a casino. Somebody, some company will. Like I said, I think it's a 15 year time frame, perhaps less.
The time line is when NY opens a casino across the river. Then the wheels will start turning.
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A few hundred over the weekend here in Phoenix area.
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The time line is when NY opens a casino across the river. Then the wheels will start turning.
Excellent point. Well, you have Yonkers now, Aqueduct, Catskills, and the alleged "down-state" license is being bantered around now. There are some nuances that NY State should work out, but yes, if down-state gets a casino, that's simply more potential revenue NJ will lose. There was talk of the casino being in Long Island, possibly where Belmont and the new arena is, but I don't know how palatable that is with the residents.
35 years ago, Robert Brennan (who ended up going to jail) came up with an idea. He proposed to the State of NJ that a massive man-made lake be put in where the old backstretch, stable area, dorms, etc. was at the Meadowlands, and that each NJ casino company be offered a license to put in a "riverboat" casino and two or three new licensees----of course he wanted to be one of them. LOL. Personally, I thought it was a very interesting idea. There was also some recent talk about a casino being in Mahwah NJ on the site of a massive hotel that just shut down. There's always talk. But as I said, I think we will see a casino outside AC eventually.
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Big pitch being made by the Sands for the Nassau Coliseum to become the hub of a casino/entertainment complex, going through the usual 48 political/environmental hoops, but the $$ to Nassau, Town of Hempstead, NY State and all of the other vultures will ultimately rule...and that is one BIG casino!!
"The project — which includes a 400,000-square-foot casino, two hotels, a convention center, retail and dining areas — requires a development lease from Nassau County, land-use approvals from the Town of Hempstead and a competitive gaming license from New York State."
Yes, I think AC's exclusivity will change over the next several years as NJ, and all of the "authorities" will see the flow of $$ sucked away by NY.
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Resorts World Queens opened a center to display their 5 billion dollar plan.
Somehow, I think Steve Cohen's plan at Citipark may have a pulse...
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It’s NY the Casinos will be built by whoever makes the largest campaign donation
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I thought NJ residents have to vote on allowing Casinos outside AC. The last vote was overwhelmingly against
here is how the 2016 referendum worked out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_New_Jersey_casino_expansion_amendment
Gural has already lost at least $5mil trying to get a casino
everyone says what a genius he is--do you think he will continue to flush million$ down the toilet trying to get a casino that he wont get anytime soon?
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here is how the 2016 referendum worked out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_New_Jersey_casino_expansion_amendment
Gural has already lost at least $5mil trying to get a casino
everyone says what a genius he is--do you think he will continue to flush million$ down the toilet trying to get a casino that he wont get anytime soon?
Thank you for the link, 77% of NJ residents voted against a Casino ,a that’s quite an uphill battle