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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: GOAT on January 31, 2025, 10:34:22 AM
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Is Bret Beckworth the next John Campbell or Izzy Estrada?
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I do think he will eventually be a Grand Circuit guy. Above average driver and well spoken for someone at this point is his career.
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Is Bret Beckworth the next John Campbell or Izzy Estrada?
Takes a lot to compare anyone to John Campbell time will tell
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He's done well so far at such a young age, however we are talking about being leading driver at Saratoga, and co-leading driver at Plainridge with a driver over 60 years old, not exactly great driving colonies. He's making a nice living right now, so there's no rush to take a shot with the big boys, just hope he's saving his money.
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Astonihingly mediocre at the Big M despite getting better rides than others.
No match for
Ahle
Irvine
Boyd
Herschberger
Huckabone
Come to think pf it. May only have been better than Tyler Miller
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He will never be in the category of John Campbell. Take him out of Saratoga and Plainridge without his father's gassed up horses he is just another driver.
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#5 totally agree
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Mr Beckwith IS a factor
Doing the hard work travel and more
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Astonihingly mediocre at the Big M despite getting better rides than others.
No match for
Ahle
Irvine
Boyd
Herschberger
Huckabone
Come to think pf it. May only have been better than Tyler Miller
Beckwith is much better then anyone you have mentioned here in my opinion and i have used him many times.
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He has all the credentials to have a great career.
Young ( only 22 and still learning)
natural talent . Very quiet in the bike
Amazing hard work ethic.
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I don’t understand this message board…you’ll have a subject about track closings and harness racing on a death spiral then the next topic about up & coming drivers , young guns etc,,,,…the next Campbell, lol
yet there will not be harness racing within the next 5 years on the east coast …. GURAL will pass on within 5-7 years & tracks decouple…I don’t get it…smh
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Brett is well spoken and comes from a Racing family. Hard working and keeps his head down. As long as he stays on this path
he will make a big splash in the Harness game. Fine young man
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He's done well so far at such a young age, however we are talking about being leading driver at Saratoga, and co-leading driver at Plainridge with a driver over 60 years old, not exactly great driving colonies. He's making a nice living right now, so there's no rush to take a shot with the big boys, just hope he's saving his money.
Who made more money in 2024--Brett or Aaron?
Who would you have drive your horses--Brett or Aaron?
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His Numbers from last year speak for themself. There are some top veteran DRIVERS ON LAST year's TOP 10 win's list
Merriman, Aaron E 4125 874 741 589 8,696,524 0.359
Bartlett, Jason J 2752 633 500 386 12,633,363 0.378
Beckwith, Brett M[/ 3102 608 506 437 6,271,414 0.334
Wrenn Jr., Ronnie H 2373 592 384 303 7,407,782 0.382
Noble, Daniel N "Dan" 2772 565 407 326 7,485,938 0.325
Kakaley, "Matt" 2932 539 430 427 9,898,483 0.314
Tetrick, Tim A 2205 482 349 297 8,907.625 0.351
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Braxten Boyd puts horses in a position to get the most out of them. He has to go up against Bartlett, Nap, Kakely at Poconos so he doesn't always have the best option in a race. He can read a program and race accordingly.
He seems to be able to keep one alive better than those other younger drivers.
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I watched Boyd this past weekend.
He is Phil Hudon south.
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He comes from a harness racing family, several generations. His career has taken off pretty fast, and that's compounded by him getting a bit of a late start. Like anyone, he's got to take the time, pay his dues, and put in the work. Give him another 15,000 drives and see how he matures, grows, what he does with the experience, etc. He's got a lot more time to learn and a lot more learning to do...Even then you cannot be throwing his name around in the same sentence, not even in the same story, with the two words---"John" and "Campbell"---that is moronic.
He's got talent. Wally Hennessy really likes him. He's got a good future, maybe a very good one, if he puts in the time and does the work. A lot of 20-somethings had very good futures. Only a few become truly great.
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He comes from a harness racing family, several generations. His career has taken off pretty fast, and that's compounded by him getting a bit of a late start. Like anyone, he's got to take the time, pay his dues, and put in the work. Give him another 15,000 drives and see how he matures, grows, what he does with the experience, etc. He's got a lot more time to learn and a lot more learning to do...Even then you cannot be throwing his name around in the same sentence, not even in the same story, with the two words---"John" and "Campbell"---that is moronic.
He's got talent. Wally Hennessy really likes him. He's got a good future, maybe a very good one, if he puts in the time and does the work. A lot of 20-somethings had very good futures. Only a few become truly great.
IMO, Wally = overrated! From 2000-2022 racing at Pompano (RIP), Ranger follow Hennessy, Hennessy follow Ranger! Not to difficult to send one when you are the first 2 choices on the tote board!
One night at PPK years ago, sent everything regardless of tote board, form of horse, showing speed of car, 1st time of qualifier.
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I watched Boyd this past weekend.
He is Phil Hudon south.
He drove 2 horses under 10-1 one which is a smelt but got checks with 2 50+-1 shots and two 3rds with dd odds horses.
Put Miller or Bartlett on his drives they do no better.
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Grandstand Handicapper I agree with you. Wally is friends with his father. Mark runs Saratoga but I see the horses are back in his wife's name as trainer.
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Brett just sat in and didn’t leave from rail at 1/9 Race 9 today on Swiss Cotton. Not the best look and horse stays in the class.
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watch the 2nd race … horse has 5 wins … tell me he didn’t rip to 6th at 8-5 and blatantly finish 2nd to stay in the winners of 2 but not more than 5
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Brett just sat in and didn’t leave from rail at 1/9 Race 9 today on Swiss Cotton. Not the best look and horse stays in the class.
I was thinking the same thing! Looks to have the Beckwith blood after all!! Horse was clearly over loaded with pace. Smh... quickly getting a bad taste in my mouth with this kid and I've always been a huge fan
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We watch from out here he has all the tangibles to be very good for along time to come . Doesn’t use the whip much either horses just go for him . Watch the meds last night with that bomb he drove in the 5th or 6th race duck him in and angled mowed them all down barely moving . Good hands might become great .
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watch the 2nd race … horse has 5 wins … tell me he didn’t rip to 6th at 8-5 and blatantly finish 2nd to stay in the winners of 2 but not more than 5
That horse would stay in the class with the claiming price.
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That horse would stay in the class with the claiming price.
didn’t notice the tag because he’s not in for the tag …. either way looked horrible
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We watch from out here he has all the tangibles to be very good for along time to come . Doesn’t use the whip much either horses just go for him . Watch the meds last night with that bomb he drove in the 5th or 6th race duck him in and angled mowed them all down barely moving . Good hands might become great .
He did have 5 wins this weekend @ The Meadowlands.
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He will never be in the category of John Campbell. Take him out of Saratoga and Plainridge without his father's gassed up horses he is just another driver.
Brett works incredibly hard and is a fine young driver. The reference that he can only drive his fathers horses at Saratoga just shows your ignorance. He gets drives in practically every race wherever he goes.
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Exactly .
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Brett works incredibly hard and is a fine young driver. The reference that he can only drive his fathers horses at Saratoga just shows your ignorance. He gets drives in practically every race wherever he goes.
AGREED!
For the skeptics, his mom and dad don’t train/own that many horses!!!
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JC 330 million in purses think about that!
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JC 330 million in purses think about that!
We’re the purses larger or smaller when Campbell et al raced compared to today??
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Talent is there. Attitude is positive. The Miles on his car to drive at any track anywhere are infinite. 600+ wins at 22 is crazy. So there will always be varying opinions when it comes to Bret. His father continues to survive in the business after a rap sheet that makes John Gotti look like an Eagle Scout. But he finally landed at a track that not only accepts his continued crimes, but praises them. How can Mark be barred from multiple tracks in NY with threat of arrest if he sets foot on the property, and have a .400+ training % at one? It's simple. And Bret benefits from that criminal enterprise for sure. But he also wins at Batavia and other tracks so don't pigeonhole him. Saratoga embraces absolute the worst of the worst when it comes to trainers. The judges will DQ 100 horses by spring for pylon violations, and not piss test any of the 100 drug addict trainers in the paddock. How do Beckwith, Derue, Podres, McCassey or any of the others get away with not having to piss in a cup? The box would be very short if that ever happens so don't expect it any time soon. When will the first Melissa Beckwith horse come up dirty for testosterone for the 8th time? Saratoga is back, and 2025 may be a little different in the driver standings. But Bret will finish on the top and it will be well deserved.
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We’re the purses larger or smaller when Campbell et al raced compared to today??
The purses for overnight races were higher back then plus they raced 6 nights a week. They also had alot of early closing series. The purses for stakes races were comparable if not higher than they are now, and when you factor in inflation, they were significantly higher back then.
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Talent is there. Attitude is positive. The Miles on his car to drive at any track anywhere are infinite. 600+ wins at 22 is crazy. So there will always be varying opinions when it comes to Bret. His father continues to survive in the business after a rap sheet that makes John Gotti look like an Eagle Scout. But he finally landed at a track that not only accepts his continued crimes, but praises them. How can Mark be barred from multiple tracks in NY with threat of arrest if he sets foot on the property, and have a .400+ training % at one? It's simple. And Bret benefits from that criminal enterprise for sure. But he also wins at Batavia and other tracks so don't pigeonhole him. Saratoga embraces absolute the worst of the worst when it comes to trainers. The judges will DQ 100 horses by spring for pylon violations, and not piss test any of the 100 drug addict trainers in the paddock. How do Beckwith, Derue, Podres, McCassey or any of the others get away with not having to piss in a cup? The box would be very short if that ever happens so don't expect it any time soon. When will the first Melissa Beckwith horse come up dirty for testosterone for the 8th time? Saratoga is back, and 2025 may be a little different in the driver standings. But Bret will finish on the top and it will be well deserved.
Agreed! Brett has worlds of talent. Just think his drive at 1 to 9 today was fishy at best. MARK should drive the horses that situation keep your kid away from that!! On another note regardless of the positives etc Mark works his ass off!
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We’re the purses larger or smaller when Campbell et al raced compared to today??
I’m not going to answer that dumb fucking question you’re fucking idiot!
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We’re the purses larger or smaller when Campbell et al raced compared to today??
you fucking liberals are dumber than a rock. How could you ask such a dumb fucking question!
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Blue Skies you are right. Some of these other people on here don't have a clue what goes on at a lot of racetracks.
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you fucking liberals are dumber than a rock. How could you ask such a dumb fucking question!
Are you off your medications again with this post?
This is a harness racing forum not a political one!
big difference in a dollar from the lates 1970's to the present as far as $$$ and its value!
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Talent is there. Attitude is positive. The Miles on his car to drive at any track anywhere are infinite. 600+ wins at 22 is crazy. So there will always be varying opinions when it comes to Bret. His father continues to survive in the business after a rap sheet that makes John Gotti look like an Eagle Scout. But he finally landed at a track that not only accepts his continued crimes, but praises them. How can Mark be barred from multiple tracks in NY with threat of arrest if he sets foot on the property, and have a .400+ training % at one? It's simple. And Bret benefits from that criminal enterprise for sure. But he also wins at Batavia and other tracks so don't pigeonhole him. Saratoga embraces absolute the worst of the worst when it comes to trainers. The judges will DQ 100 horses by spring for pylon violations, and not piss test any of the 100 drug addict trainers in the paddock. How do Beckwith, Derue, Podres, McCassey or any of the others get away with not having to piss in a cup? The box would be very short if that ever happens so don't expect it any time soon. When will the first Melissa Beckwith horse come up dirty for testosterone for the 8th time? Saratoga is back, and 2025 may be a little different in the driver standings. But Bret will finish on the top and it will be well deserved.
Pissing in a cup?
Horses?
Trainers?
Both?
Please clarify!
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Rainman2, I didn't understand it either?
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I’m not going to answer that dumb fucking question you’re fucking idiot!
You already posted a response.
Enough said!!!
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Rainman2, I didn't understand it either?
I’ll explain. JC has amassed $330 million and has won MAJOR races all over the world. The kid has talent but no in that league
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People, the kid is 22 years old. Why do we need to put labels on his career at this point.
He puts his nose down and works hard. He is willing to travel and earn his stripes.
Top trainers like Burke put him on their horses, enough said.
How about we just enjoy watching him mature, do well and see what happens.
Nothing wrong with comparing him to today's drivers that he competes with, but to John Campbell? Stop it would you please.
I bet even Brett would respectfully dismiss and pivot away, cause he has that "it" factor as a pro.
He is building his resume towards competing on the biggest stage. Tough not to root for a kid like this, who handles himself with grace and class.
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WELL SAID AND SO TRUE
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People, the kid is 22 years old. Why do we need to put labels on his career at this point.
He puts his nose down and works hard. He is willing to travel and earn his stripes.
Top trainers like Burke put him on their horses, enough said.
How about we just enjoy watching him mature, do well and see what happens.
Nothing wrong with comparing him to today's drivers that he competes with, but to John Campbell? Stop it would you please.
I bet even Brett would respectfully dismiss and pivot away, cause he has that "it" factor as a pro.
He is building his resume towards competing on the biggest stage. Tough not to root for a kid like this, who handles himself with grace and class.
EXACTLY! Brett is a good egg but to put him in John Campbell’s category? PLEASE
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JC worked in barn for more than a week before he started driving
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JC worked in barn for more than a week before he started driving
That very well may be true.
However we live in a slightly different world today.
Connections sometimes more important than work ethic, etc.
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You nailed it !
That’s what’s wrong with today’s world
You need more Brett Beckwith’s to finish off harness racing
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Please the young man has plenty of energy and enthusiasm for this game. His Father a workhorse . Mark is a top horseman . Do you know guys from out here call him for advice on a lame or bad gaited one .
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I had a 3yearold trotting filly, couldn't get her around the turns. Mark took her for two weeks, went around like she was on rails. Mark knows his shit!
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I had a 3yearold trotting filly, couldn't get her around the turns. Mark took her for two weeks, went around like she was on rails. Mark knows his shit!
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I had a 3yearold trotting filly, couldn't get her around the turns. Mark took her for two weeks, went around like she was on rails. Mark knows his shit!
No doubt Mark has some gas but he's a very smart horsemen to boot
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No doubt Mark has some gas but he's a very smart horsemen to boot
Listen MC -Yonkers2 -MCR - K1NG HAKU or SCM or whatever you're calling yourself today don't you text me and threaten me you fuck.
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I had a 3yearold trotting filly, couldn't get her around the turns. Mark took her for two weeks, went around like she was on rails. Mark knows his shit!
You can hate him but, he is the go to guy if you have a problem horse or need some intel on a horse you are interested to buy. You would think he would not want to give you a potential edge with his knowledge since he might end up racing you. Mark has helped many out.
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Mark tought him well
When your chalk do what ever you want and we’ll help you pull them up for you
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Letting out the hopples is marks first go to causing bad gait or break. Either way driver has to "grab up."
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Letting out the hopples is marks first go to causing bad gait or break. Either way driver has to "grab up."
Mark's 1st go to is Sheep Wormer, Hormones, Bronchial Dilators etc...then " Let the hopples out" ngc3 and he's not letting hopples out to have his horses bad gaited or to cause breaks..the guy's training average is about 6 million!
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Can this kid become the greatest all of time by the time he’s done driving? His numbers are off the charts for any drivers let alone a kid his age.
JMO...I think so when its all said and done...hopefully he didn't inherit the thievery gene...time will tell
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He can go a long way up the list but to break into the best 10 ever may be a stretch.
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He can go a long way up the list but to break into the best 10 ever may be a stretch.
Well,hes only 22 If he keeps his nose clean, 40 years gets him to 62. 400-500 wins a year..16,000-20,000 plus what he already has in the bank..JMO..I think so
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Does he like to bet?
Doesn't appear so, he's trying to win as many races as he can.
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Unfortunately, harness racing will not exist when he turns 40.
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Unfortunately, harness racing will not exist when he turns 40.
That may be true, but by then, the kid will be a multi-millionaire (head down-nose clean) so he's got nothing to worry about
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There's been talk of gloom and doom for some time but I agree, the end is in sight.
I'm old . Might not see it but look at who benefits from its existence. Better hope
Musk doesn't get bored and dig into the $$ being handed out in Harness racing.
He'd really have a field day. ;D
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There's been talk of gloom and doom for some time but I agree, the end is in sight.
I'm old . Might not see it but look at who benefits from its existence. Better hope
Musk doesn't get bored and dig into the $$ being handed out in Harness racing.
He'd really have a field day. ;D
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There's been talk of gloom and doom for some time but I agree, the end is in sight.
I'm old . Might not see it but look at who benefits from its existence. Better hope
Musk doesn't get bored and dig into the $$ being handed out in Harness racing.
He'd really have a field day. ;D
I really dont think that much comes from the state. They take tax $$ out of the handle for their pockets, exactly what do they pay for, at least in NY? Starting fees are supposed to go to drug testing, so what do they contribute exactly? Its the casinos who are supporting the purses and track maintenance as they should, that was the deal and racing's concession to allow them to get a casino license. The racing contributes to keeping open space for farms, horse and hay, agriculture, and many jobs in different sectors. Dont see why the state would have a major issue, its more PETE and the casinos that want racing to go away.
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The kid drove flawlessly Friday night at the swamp . Gets parked by a joke Ginsburg the Mile . Bret never panicked or jumped up and down and just line drove to the wire no whip .
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Where have you even Brett never uses a whip never really urges one usually just hangs on and worries about how he’s going to pull it up after the race
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Where have you even Brett never uses a whip never really urges one usually just hangs on and worries about how he’s going to pull it up after the race
What do you mean?...Brett works out at the "Y"
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The kid reminds me of Timmy T when he first came up. Cool, calm, collected and hugely talented. tmbz1
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The kid reminds me of Timmy T when he first came up. Cool, calm, collected and hugely talented. tmbz1
Totally agree tmbz1
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Watch his winning drives Friday night . All sitting chilly down the lane .
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Watch his winning drives Friday night . All sitting chilly down the lane .
Like it or not, the kid is GOOD
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He seems to get alot out of a horse
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Beckwith has looked good of late. A mile track is different & seems to have gotten the hang of it.
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Read Aaron Merriman Racing.
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He comes from a harness racing family, several generations. His career has taken off pretty fast, and that's compounded by him getting a bit of a late start. Like anyone, he's got to take the time, pay his dues, and put in the work. Give him another 15,000 drives and see how he matures, grows, what he does with the experience, etc. He's got a lot more time to learn and a lot more learning to do...Even then you cannot be throwing his name around in the same sentence, not even in the same story, with the two words---"John" and "Campbell"---that is moronic.
He's got talent. Wally Hennessy really likes him. He's got a good future, maybe a very good one, if he puts in the time and does the work. A lot of 20-somethings had very good futures. Only a few become truly great.
Dime a Dozen Driver, automatic scratch for wagering
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Read Aaron Merriman Racing.
True, Aaron’s integrity is without question! ngc3
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Trotters at the swamp Friday night. The real test of hands and patience. Bet he wins a few again .
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Ya he’s great he just parked one every step and won by by 6