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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Meadow Ford on February 02, 2025, 07:47:12 PM
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For the last 12/15 years I have been buying by the truck load and feeding Ontario Hay Cubies.
What do I do now?
Eat the 25% myself?
Pass the 25% on to my owners?
Buy from the race track hay jockey?
Just one more nail in the coffin. so say the hell with it, and retire?
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Buy American hay cubes!
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Buy American hay cubes!
The problem with trade wars is the guy selling hay cubes in the US. now raises his price to take advantage.
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Buy American hay cubes!
Yes buy USA hay cubes sounds like a good answer.
BUT, IMHO
USA hay companies hide there poorest hay in cubes.
Plus
USA hay cubes are already more expensive then Ontario cubes.
Plus
USA hay cubes are not always available.
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The problem with trade wars is the guy selling hay cubes in the US. now raises his price to take advantage.
Yes I agree!
USA sellers of USA cubes will raise their prices.
Their reason, Gas prices are going up due to tariffs.
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Gas prices been going up for 4 years. No you going to blame Trump. You can always move to Canada they have a lot of racetracks
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Gas prices been going up for 4 years. No you going to blame Trump. You can always move to Canada they have a lot of racetracks
Ontario is down to about four, soon to be two, of which none are A tracks, maybe except if you have a stakes horse in summertime. Canada is in serious trouble as opposed to us where money is pouring into more than a few states.
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Ontario is in no trouble
the wagering is decent for a 4/5 night per week program at mohawk
the sires stakes are good( yes they could be better)
the breeders awards are great
very minimal shipping
top trainers and drivers will do very well
you wont get rich but you will have a job
and the purse money is basically guaranteed from the government under the current contract
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mohawk is the king of 8,000 claimers
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mohawk is the king of 8,000 claimers
Maybe they should fill regular cards with Amateur races?
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Maybe they should fill regular cards with Amateur races?
Why not??
The amateur race could have more money in the pools that betting the “professional” drivers.
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people dont want to bet on goats
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Ontario is in no trouble
the wagering is decent for a 4/5 night per week program at mohawk
the sires stakes are good( yes they could be better)
the breeders awards are great
very minimal shipping
top trainers and drivers will do very well
you wont get rich but you will have a job
and the purse money is basically guaranteed from the government under the current contract
The wagering is stagnant at best
the sire stakes is average at best
the shipping bills are still outrageous for how far they travel
agreed you will not get rich and only have a job if you're okay rubbing on six for 500 a week
nothing is guaranteed, if you knew anything about Ontario you'd know that.
Bottom line: i know twenty guys that have said no more to that province, all guys that have owner collectively hundreds of horses but you believe what you want
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For the last 12/15 years I have been buying by the truck load and feeding Ontario Hay Cubies.
What do I do now?
Eat the 25% myself?
Pass the 25% on to my owners?
Buy from the race track hay jockey?
Just one more nail in the coffin. so say the hell with it, and retire?
Justin Trudeau just put his knee pads on, Thank you President Trump! Trudeau will stop the drug traffic, and illegals. Man Trump plays hard.
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Justin Trudeau just put his knee pads on, Thank you President Trump! Trudeau will stop the drug traffic, and illegals. Man Trump plays hard.
Don’t pull on Superman’s cape, don’t mess with Trump
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question for you agent q
the twenty guys you speak of , did they get out of the business or move their horse money elsewhere and if so where
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question for you agent q
the twenty guys you speak of , did they get out of the business or move their horse money elsewhere and if so where
They just sold off their remaining stock. One moved his last two to Yonkers.
Lasix 70 a start
Stall Rent 400 month
training 60 a day
blacksmith 150 per
Shipping 75-200 depending on who has your horse
75 paddock
and then it gets fun, all the while most likely racing for 12-18K purse.
take one to a vet --good luck getting out of there under 500 for a little imagining and a blood
No one in their right mind is breeding a mare anymore. All the guys that used to own or breed don't bet a single dime on Ontario tracks, maybe the odd day like Industry day or NA Cup night. You understand how much money that amounts to?
Brad Grant is a good friend of mine and he's selling everything basically. What more do you need to know? They can't increase their handle and the horse supply has plummetted to all time lows.
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They just sold off their remaining stock. One moved his last two to Yonkers.
Lasix 70 a start
Stall Rent 400 month
training 60 a day
blacksmith 150 per
Shipping 75-200 depending on who has your horse
75 paddock
and then it gets fun, all the while most likely racing for 12-18K purse.
take one to a vet --good luck getting out of there under 500 for a little imagining and a blood
No one in their right mind is breeding a mare anymore. All the guys that used to own or breed don't bet a single dime on Ontario tracks, maybe the odd day like Industry day or NA Cup night. You understand how much money that amounts to?
Brad Grant is a good friend of mine and he's selling everything basically. What more do you need to know? They can't increase their handle and the horse supply has plummetted to all time lows.
60/day?
American dollars or Canadian dollars?
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thanks q
that's what i thought, as tough as Ontario is the USA is even worse,
the rates are high and the shipping and tolls are crazy, if you have a decent one racing at Yonkers and can avoid alexander and engblom you might have a shot
also with currency rates if a Canadian can sell a horse for decent USA cash they will do it , if you get $50k USA for a horse that's $70 k Canadian ,pretty much net
very few horses in Ontario can come close to that
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thanks q
that's what i thought, as tough as Ontario is the USA is even worse,
the rates are high and the shipping and tolls are crazy, if you have a decent one racing at Yonkers and can avoid alexander and engblom you might have a shot
also with currency rates if a Canadian can sell a horse for decent USA cash they will do it , if you get $50k USA for a horse that's $70 k Canadian ,pretty much net
very few horses in Ontario can come close to that
Rumor has it that if you own with a “big name” Canadian trainer you could very well have a horse make 90k just to ‘break even’.
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60/day?
American dollars or Canadian dollars?
they're training in canada racing for canadian money, so obviously it's 60 canadian. I was a partner of a couple that we sent up there and I can tell you first hand that unless you're racing a stakes horse, 80% of horses cannot pay their way. That's an alarming statistic yet my partner and friend informs me that they refuse to discount their rates. He has finally seen the light and will not buy another Ontario sired horse nor send one up there to race in overnights.
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Ontario is down to about four, soon to be two, of which none are A tracks, maybe except if you have a stakes horse in summertime. Canada is in serious trouble as opposed to us where money is pouring into more than a few states.
By my count they still have 9 tracks. And it gives you 3 levels of racing in the summer. Not just for SS but for overnight racing as well. Clinton,Hanover,Dresden and Leamington purses not as good as 10 years ago but I’ve picked up a ton of purses at them with horses that were not fast enough to even get qualified most places In the US
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Woodbine Mohawk Park, Flamboro Downs, Western Fair, Grand River Raceway, Kawartha Downs, Hanover, Hiawatha Horse Park, Leamington, Dresden, Rideau Carleton, Clinton Raceway, Georgian Downs
that's 12
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By my count they still have 9 tracks. And it gives you 3 levels of racing in the summer. Not just for SS but for overnight racing as well. Clinton,Hanover,Dresden and Leamington purses not as good as 10 years ago but I’ve picked up a ton of purses at them with horses that were not fast enough to even get qualified most places In the US
Then you raced horses that couldn't pay their way, congratulations! Racing ill bred horses for 6-8K purses is a hobby, none of them make enough to pay their way, unless you're waiving the training fee. My friend has bred hundreds and has two different trainers racing them at all those B tracks you mentioned and every month he has to top them up. And that's why when guy like him stop subsidizing the game there will be no game. And outside Paul MacKenzie's horse not a single prospect horse is even close to paying his or her way. The grassroots are a complete joke so you're down to praying you have one of three Gold horses that actually make money. And of course they are chewed after the super final and worth fuck all. Ontario is in major contraction and once Great Canadian pulls the plug you will be down to Grand River and London as the only viable places to race to justify sending a bill to an owner. If you're racing the 10th foal of a rat mare at Leamington on a sunny saturday I'm happy for you--i sincereley hope it brings you joy.
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If you're racing the 10th foal of a rat mare at Leamington on a sunny saturday I'm happy for you--i sincereley hope it brings you joy.
Well what if it does bring you joy? Leamington is a long way from me but I've been there and honestly it looks like fun. Sometimes a break from hard core commercial racing can make some sense.
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I have made a lot of money buying and racing the 10 th and beyond foals of a mare.
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realistically if you are racing at those B summer tracks you best be a owner /trainer
but i will admit they look like fun and those communities actually support them so that's great
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For the last 12/15 years I have been buying by the truck load and feeding Ontario Hay Cubies.
What do I do now?
Eat the 25% myself?
Pass the 25% on to my owners?
Buy from the race track hay jockey?
Just one more nail in the coffin. so say the hell with it, and retire?
try buying them in this country and becoming a patriot!
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My friend this, my friend that, blah blah blah
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realistically if you are racing at those B summer tracks you best be a owner /trainer
but i will admit they look like fun and those communities actually support them so that's great
Or you are buying young horses out of the big barns that only want stake horses. Then selling at end of 3yr old year with 25-30k made. If I can get average 5k a month in purses I do just fine. Only way to make money in any horse business is sell at right time
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Rumor has it that if you own with a “big name” Canadian trainer you could very well have a horse make 90k just to ‘break even’.
The same is true if using a big name US trainer. That is what it cost to be in the top barns. If you don’t like the price to try to play. Go buy a boat of a country club membership