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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: The Unstable on February 05, 2025, 11:53:31 AM
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Seems like Bo showed up yesterday there and they were told not to come back.
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Is that a fact?
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No entries in to go.
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did they run over betwiths money?
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She did too well the opening weekend and the locals are mad?
Is this a world’s record for getting kicked off the grounds on the first weekend the track is open??
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Anyone know the reason?
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won with everything
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won with everything
imo not a reason to toss someone. Has to be more to it. At the end of the day the job of these trainers and drivers is to win races
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imo not a reason to toss someone. Has to be more to it. At the end of the day the job of these trainers and drivers is to win races
The locals don't want the outsiders to "take" their purse money out of their "pockets" and back home with them!
Can someone verify who was driving these horses?
Rawlings? an 'outsider' not in the 'club'?
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In the time you take to sift thru that liberal conspiracy shit, you could look yourself.
They've only raced three days dumbass. 11.wp
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In the time you take to sift thru that liberal conspiracy shit, you could look yourself.
They've only raced three days dumbass. 11.wp
liberal conspiracy?
this is harness racing, not the political roundtable!
Just pointing out it was opening weekend, and this "happened"!
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What are you trying to say?
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Anyone know the reason?
Rumor is Bo was in the paddock and i think not allowed.
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5 winners were owned by Clifford Grundy, who needs no introduction to the Howard Taylor type owner category.
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In the time you take to sift thru that liberal conspiracy shit, you could look yourself.
They've only raced three days dumbass. 11.wp
LDS. Liberal derangement syndrome.
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Rumor is Bo was in the paddock and i think not allowed.
Paddock? The fat ass was in the winners circle one day.... he fucked a buddy of mine over pretty good.
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Point is that it takes like four minutes to look at the three day's results.
Too lazy or too 'busy' to do it?
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Point is that it takes like four minutes to look at the three day's results.
Too lazy or too 'busy' to do it?
Or are they just looking to get a rise out of people? Lol
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Point is that it takes like four minutes to look at the three day's results.
Too lazy or too 'busy' to do it?
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Point is they are kicked out after 3 days.
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Point is they are kicked out after 3 days.
do you think betwith helped kicking them out,
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do you think betwith helped kicking them out,
No idea.
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Hey Pigland probably wouldn't share or tell him what they are using.
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Hey Pigland probably wouldn't share or tell him what they are using.
ngc3 it
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Bo screwed over so many people that he got run out of the business. I’m glad they are taking the trash out.
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did they run over betwiths money?
Is this the “punishment” for doing that??
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Bo is a Maritmer, who has been around a long time. I am sure many know him from his days at Monticello.
He spent quite a while racing in the Maritimes and Maine until about 15 years ago or so, and I think he landed in Monticello maybe eight years ago or so. I think he won the trainer's title when the pandemic first started, with his son driving the horses.
So, did he get banned or something? I never paid attention to whatever happened, if anything. LOL.
Is Tammy training for Cliff Grundy?
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Bo is a Maritmer, who has been around a long time. I am sure many know him from his days at Monticello.
He spent quite a while racing in the Maritimes and Maine until about 15 years ago or so, and I think he landed in Monticello maybe eight years ago or so. I think he won the trainer's title when the pandemic first started, with his son driving the horses.
So, did he get banned or something? I never paid attention to whatever happened, if anything. LOL.
Is Tammy training for Cliff Grundy?
I posted earlier she won with 5 of Grundy’s.
By the way, Bo drives a truck for Joe Morris horse transport.
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did they run over betwiths money?
I think you nailed it
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I think you nailed it
seems possible
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rainman2 this is not a world record darren tanahill got kicked out of pompano after 1day never got to start a horse lol
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I don’t understand doesn’t anyone that does any good racing horses have these things loaded up with drugs??
Didn’t Beckwith set record last year for most wins in one meet at Saratoga??
Didn’t him and his wife get positive tests last year??
What’s the difference?
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I don’t understand doesn’t anyone that does any good racing horses have these things loaded up with drugs??
Didn’t Beckwith set record last year for most wins in one meet at Saratoga??
Didn’t him and his wife get positive tests last year??
What’s the difference?
or the fact jayme’s mccasey is batting 600 and his wife is assistant race secretary AT SARATOGA. imagine that
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or the fact jayme’s mccasey is batting 600 and his wife is assistant race secretary AT SARATOGA. imagine that
Conflict of interest much?
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I don’t understand doesn’t anyone that does any good racing horses have these things loaded up with drugs??
Didn’t Beckwith set record last year for most wins in one meet at Saratoga??
Didn’t him and his wife get positive tests last year??
What’s the difference?
they should be thrown out too. As for Jame MCcassey it is one week and he will probably regress some.
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Shame on them it’s a free for all every once in a while they change names
As far as Mcassey goes maybe your right I never even heard of him getting a positive test
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You let someone in, and they come out of the gate like that----if you want to throw them out, go ahead! If they have a bad track record, then you should not have let them in in the first place. That's just another example of short-sightedness, deaf ear, blind eye, and not knowing the racing and racetrack business.
But if you don't throw them out----first, immediate 24/7 surveillance. Two, race out of a X hours detention barn. Third, enhanced testing, outside labs, out of competition testing, etc.
This has been done before. Perhaps not at Stga. Maybe not formalized, but certainly not new.
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Im sure they will back up here in maine in two months. Up here they are allowed to have 2 or 3 horses in a race.
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Cliff Grundy has been around a long time. I met him, and his dad Seymour, what seems like a thousand years ago. When I first met him they had Spotlite Lobell in the Hambo, with Jan Nordin, and finished third. They had horses with Nordin, and also with Bob McIntosh (they were partners on Camluck). He's owned some very good horses.
Over the years he's had plenty of trainers----Gordon Norris was a long-time main man for Grundy, Jake Huff, Mike Watson, and I guess now Sowers. I think he had horses with Nick Surick and then bailed on him.
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More than likely will end up back in Maine. Maine racing should be alot easier this year... maybe some of the lower end guys won't totally starve.
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i agree grandstand, for folks like this there should be "extra" attention paid based on prior suspensions or suspicions
if they agree than they are welcome to race , if they don't than you know there was issues and you did the right thing
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The obstacle is that you have people who are stabled on-track, and others who are off-track. At the Meadowlands, everyone is off-track. Whether it's track ownership, racing commissions, everybody and anybody----you need arms and legs for out-of-competition testing. I also think if you are going to have someone race out of a detention barn for X hours before everyone else, make that person pay for it! Same for security.
I was with a trainer once who they did out of competition testing on. He was shooting massive #'s. They showed up unannounced, searched the barn thoroughly, and tested all 40 horses in the barn. They did not charge the trainer for that. Everything, every horse, passed. I don't know what they tested for. After that, they wanted the trainer to race out of an extended detention barn. They said he would pay for that. He did. He did not pass that cost onto the owners. I don't remember how long that went on for, but it wasn't long, and when it ended, he didn't even make a big deal of it. Bottom line----they should do whatever they can to have integrity in the sport and business, integrity in the process, and a fair and level playing field. Period. Couple that with universal medication rules and punishment, three strikes your out, whatever it is. Checks and balances. Will there be contamination? Sure. Could there be sabotage? Yes, but protect against that. It's never perfect, but it's about progress and striving for the ideal.
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Paddock? The fat ass was in the winners circle one day.... he fucked a buddy of mine over pretty good.
Same think happened at Fryeburg fair.
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So let me understand this...Beckwith and the wife have had 3-4 positives in the last 18 months...for testosterone and sheep wormer etc...and it's business as usual for them?...He takes horses off the grounds the day of the race..to a farm down the road..runs a tube into them and brings them back to race same day...thats OK with management?? and the State??....how about the enterprise he's got going with horses he trains???...gives them to the Mongeon brothers, Cappello and 2 or 3 others to train for $40 a day...never looks at them and charges the owners $60-$70 a day...Makes ngc3 8000-10,000 a month, and the best part is he keeps the 5%.....What the fuck...... ngc3
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So let me understand this...Beckwith and the wife have had 3-4 positives in the last 18 months...for testosterone and sheep wormer etc...and it's business as usual for them?...He takes horses off the grounds the day of the race..to a farm down the road..runs a tube into them and brings them back to race same day...thats OK with management?? and the State??....how about the enterprise he's got going with horses he trains???...gives them to the Mongeon brothers, Cappello and 2 or 3 others to train for $40 a day...never looks at them and charges the owners $60-$70 a day...Makes ngc3 8000-10,000 a month, and the best part is he keeps the 5%.....What the fuck...... ngc3
Smart guy!
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Yeah, unless you're paying HIM to train!
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any chance they throw betwith out?
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the customer (gamblers) have no protection,and they wonder why its a dead game laddie
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the customer (gamblers) have no protection,and they wonder why its a dead game laddie
hard to believe Dan Nance saw this over a decade ago
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I don’t understand doesn’t anyone that does any good racing horses have these things loaded up with drugs??
Didn’t Beckwith set record last year for most wins in one meet at Saratoga??
Didn’t him and his wife get positive tests last year??
What’s the difference?
The difference, Mr Toothpick is NOBODY gives a fuck...not the track ownership/management..not the judges..not the NYST racing commish..just keep grabbing their check every 2 weeks..and how about that asshole of a Race Secretary??
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You can win(Technically) 15-16 parimutuel races before you have to come out of NW2LT...they are a close knit group that dont claim from each other, so the phony optional claimer he has attached to the NW2LT means NOTHING
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I don't know if Bo moved from the Monticello area, but I think him and his family had been there for quite some time. I know they shipped different places to race and all, but I thought they kind of had "roots" so to speak in the Monticello area. So, if they relocated to Saratoga, it sounds like it will be a short-lived stay, LOL. If not, I would think they might simply head back home.
Regardless, I am alway glad to hear about efforts made to clean up the game---as long as they are legitimate. In this case, other than alleged spectacular win percentages right out of the box, which I didn't follow, I don't know the grounds for throwing them out. On the other hand, private property rights are always an option.
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Lets start a new poll... whats Bo sowers have more of
Positives
Black boxes
Tracks he's barred from
Fat chicken he's fucking
(Use the term chick or lady loosely)
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maybe because Rawlings got 15 days?
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hard to believe Dan Nance saw this over a decade ago
Dan Nants KNows racing
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Dan Nants KNows racing
does he still charge $5 for giving out his numpers?
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The worst part of the game find places to race.
Saratoga like Dover doesn't allow outsiders to take all their money.
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I don't know Dan Nance, but I met him (and his brother Scott) a few times when I went to Chicago. I know he, or his brother or both, took a major hit for a positive test. I don't remember what it was for as I didn't really follow Chicago overnight racing that much----but, was it etorphine or something exotic like that? The first time I met him, I was in Chicago looking at a horse that Butch Paisley told me about. Dan and Scott came up, introduced themselves and said if I ever came to Chicago they could help me out, my trainer could ship in to their barn, etc. Scott seemed a little socially awkward almost, LOL, and Dan just came across as always having an agenda or an angle. While they seemed passionate, the more times you talk to them the more you just feel they were a bit shady, LOL. I think they were just two mediocre guys always trying to get ahead, be part of the "in" crowd and being jealous, envious, etc., of others who became successful. For the most part, they had little to nothing nice to say about almost everybody, LOL. Example----I had a good relationship with Doug Ackerman (the old man). I admired him, respected him, etc. He flew in one night to race a colt in a stake race. Dan saw me talking to him after the race, and the next night Dan badmouthed Doug big time to me. That told me all I needed to know. They were both just angry, bitter guys.
I know he allegedly developed some speed rating system or something and became a tout, selling his picks for like $5 or $10, picking 4 horses, telling you to box them, and then being able to claim he won 7 out of 11 races on the card, LOL. Just another tout I guess.
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I don't know Dan Nance, but I met him (and his brother Scott) a few times when I went to Chicago. I know he, or his brother or both, took a major hit for a positive test. I don't remember what it was for as I didn't really follow Chicago overnight racing that much----but, was it etorphine or something exotic like that? The first time I met him, I was in Chicago looking at a horse that Butch Paisley told me about. Dan and Scott came up, introduced themselves and said if I ever came to Chicago they could help me out, my trainer could ship in to their barn, etc. Scott seemed a little socially awkward almost, LOL, and Dan just came across as always having an agenda or an angle. While they seemed passionate, the more times you talk to them the more you just feel they were a bit shady, LOL. I think they were just two mediocre guys always trying to get ahead, be part of the "in" crowd and being jealous, envious, etc., of others who became successful. For the most part, they had little to nothing nice to say about almost everybody, LOL. Example----I had a good relationship with Doug Ackerman (the old man). I admired him, respected him, etc. He flew in one night to race a colt in a stake race. Dan saw me talking to him after the race, and the next night Dan badmouthed Doug big time to me. That told me all I needed to know. They were both just angry, bitter guys.
I know he allegedly developed some speed rating system or something and became a tout, selling his picks for like $5 or $10, picking 4 horses, telling you to box them, and then being able to claim he won 7 out of 11 races on the card, LOL. Just another tout I guess.
An honest post on what you experienced.
The “real experts” on Nance should be posting in the very near future on this here on horseplop.
Stay tuned for future developments!
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An honest post on what you experienced.
The “real experts” on Nance should be posting in the very near future on this here on horseplop.
Stay tuned for future developments!
I don't know the guy, or his brother. Only saw him, spoke with him, in Chicago, and that was maybe 5 times. I mean, I never saw the guy on the grand circuit or in Lexington at the sales. I knew a guy in the PR or marketing department who was a seasoned veteran in Chicago racing. We got to know each other very well, to the point where I'd call him a friend. He told me to stay away from Dan, and while that would have been good enough for me, I had already formulated my own opinion, thoughts, etc.
I did hear one good story though. Now, I wasn't there, BUT, more than one person told me. I heard that Dan was bad-mouthing Tom Harmer to a group of people at the track. I do personally know, first-hand, that Nance didn't like him, think much of him as a trainer, etc. To me that was more of the jealousy, bitter thing Nance had. Anyway, I heard Harmer got wind of it, and next time he was at the track, he confronted Nance. Nance gave him some song and dance, deflected, denied, and so forth, and I heard Harmer bitch-slapped him! More than once! And, Nance cowardly walked away. Again, I wasn't there, but several people told me. From what I know, it doesn't surprise me, LOL.
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I don't know Dan Nance, but I met him (and his brother Scott) a few times when I went to Chicago. I know he, or his brother or both, took a major hit for a positive test. I don't remember what it was for as I didn't really follow Chicago overnight racing that much----but, was it etorphine or something exotic like that? The first time I met him, I was in Chicago looking at a horse that Butch Paisley told me about. Dan and Scott came up, introduced themselves and said if I ever came to Chicago they could help me out, my trainer could ship in to their barn, etc. Scott seemed a little socially awkward almost, LOL, and Dan just came across as always having an agenda or an angle. While they seemed passionate, the more times you talk to them the more you just feel they were a bit shady, LOL. I think they were just two mediocre guys always trying to get ahead, be part of the "in" crowd and being jealous, envious, etc., of others who became successful. For the most part, they had little to nothing nice to say about almost everybody, LOL. Example----I had a good relationship with Doug Ackerman (the old man). I admired him, respected him, etc. He flew in one night to race a colt in a stake race. Dan saw me talking to him after the race, and the next night Dan badmouthed Doug big time to me. That told me all I needed to know. They were both just angry, bitter guys.
I know he allegedly developed some speed rating system or something and became a tout, selling his picks for like $5 or $10, picking 4 horses, telling you to box them, and then being able to claim he won 7 out of 11 races on the card, LOL. Just another tout I guess.
this is 100% accurate tmbz1
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Yeah, unless you're paying HIM to train!
They are not paying Beckwith to jog and train horses, they are paying him for pre race.
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this is 100% accurate tmbz1
Kind of good point…..Mark does have a real colorful past as far as drugs
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Kind of good point…..Mark does have a real colorful past as far as drugs
my post was about Dan Nance
I have no knowledge of drug use by anyone at Saratoga-i live about 300 miles south of there
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Sorry — same point tho
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I don't know if Bo moved from the Monticello area, but I think him and his family had been there for quite some time. I know they shipped different places to race and all, but I thought they kind of had "roots" so to speak in the Monticello area. So, if they relocated to Saratoga, it sounds like it will be a short-lived stay, LOL. If not, I would think they might simply head back home.
Regardless, I am alway glad to hear about efforts made to clean up the game---as long as they are legitimate. In this case, other than alleged spectacular win percentages right out of the box, which I didn't follow, I don't know the grounds for throwing them out. On the other hand, private property rights are always an option.
Still in Bullville, near Monti.
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Back to Monti
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Beckwith's positive at Plainridge was reversed. Split sample from an independent lab found it clean. His success has alot to do with good owners who pay for decent horses, they win a few races and they are moved on. Following his horses, I have not seen a trend for to him have those super form reversals like I have seen with others. Not saying he might be pushing the edge, but he puts them in where they should win, if they dont, they are sold, or the owners are told to take their horse elsewhere. If you follow a specific trainer it is not that hard to figure out their game, but success does not necessarily spell cheat.
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Beckwith's positive at Plainridge was reversed. Split sample from an independent lab found it clean. His success has alot to do with good owners who pay for decent horses, they win a few races and they are moved on. Following his horses, I have not seen a trend for to him have those super form reversals like I have seen with others. Not saying he might be pushing the edge, but he puts them in where they should win, if they dont, they are sold, or the owners are told to take their horse elsewhere. If you follow a specific trainer it is not that hard to figure out their game, but success does not necessarily spell cheat.
Well,you're partly right Hay Daze, he had his last positive reversed a month ago..but not the positives for Sheep Wormer OR the positives for Hormones - had to pay his fines and do the days and as far as success not equaling cheat..youre right but half the backstretch knows he trucks horses to the farm down the road the day their racing, then brings them back to race
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Beckwith's positive at Plainridge was reversed. Split sample from an independent lab found it clean. His success has alot to do with good owners who pay for decent horses, they win a few races and they are moved on. Following his horses, I have not seen a trend for to him have those super form reversals like I have seen with others. Not saying he might be pushing the edge, but he puts them in where they should win, if they dont, they are sold, or the owners are told to take their horse elsewhere. If you follow a specific trainer it is not that hard to figure out their game, but success does not necessarily spell cheat.
Beckwith is a great horsemen and an even harder worker
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Beckwith is a great horsemen and an even harder worker tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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Beckwith is a great horsemen and an even harder worker
I totally agree..btw, where do I purchase that Kool Aid you guys are drinking
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I totally agree..btw, where do I purchase that Kool Aid you guys are drinking
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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I totally agree..btw, where do I purchase that Kool Aid you guys are drinking
I never said he didn't have some good tools in his box
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tmbz1
I never said he didn't have some good tools in his box
tmbz1
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Her PA paper trainer should stick to driving
Guy walks around like he is gods greatest gift but is a nobody
Just a guy who chokes out his girlfriends/wives
Raw Dawgggg
Sad this guy is a fellow Mainah
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Her PA paper trainer should stick to driving
Guy walks around like he is gods greatest gift but is a nobody
Just a guy who chokes out his girlfriends/wives
Raw Dawgggg
Sad this guy is a fellow Mainah
Rawlings is trash
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Rawlings is trash
Has he ever been anything more than trash
Ever see a guy inject horses from eye ball to asshole to try and win a five claimer
If he’s not injecting himself with drugs might as well poke the horses eh
Paper trainer
Wanna be driver
Wanna be vet
Wife beater ngc3
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Has he ever been anything more than trash
Ever see a guy inject horses from eye ball to asshole to try and win a five claimer
If he’s not injecting himself with drugs might as well poke the horses eh
Paper trainer
Wanna be driver
Wanna be vet
Wife beater ngc3
All sounds very accurate from his Meadows days
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Who's next?
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Next paper trainer for Bo Sowers?
Dan Rawlings
Mike Austin
McKenzie Sowers
Run of the mill
Or who is to sleep with the wife beater next?
First Tammy sleeping with Dan
Now daughter McKenzie sleeping with him
Hillbilly rodeo 11.wp
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Is Tanmmy Sowers not allowed to get a PA trainers license?
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All sounds very accurate from his Meadows days
He is one of the of the worst drivers ever to sit behind a horse
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He is one of the of the worst drivers ever to sit behind a horse
Ive never been a fan but he is doing well at Monti and was off to a hot start at saratoga
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Is Tanmmy Sowers not allowed to get a PA trainers license?
Does PA turn down anyone? Pocono looks like a work release program for cheats!
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Does PA turn down anyone? Pocono looks like a work release program for cheats!
Now that’s funny.
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Ive never been a fan but he is doing well at Monti and was off to a hot start at saratoga
Have you seen the great driving colony at Monti?
Guys are all 50+ down there
Ask him about hobbles and where horses burn, what you should do with the hobbles. Not very intelligent