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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Grandstand Handicapper on March 31, 2025, 10:51:37 PM
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Pat Crowe of Cam Fella fame died the other day. He was 87. When you have a horse like Cam Fella, HOTY in both 1982 and 1983, most people forget anything and everything else you do and did, LOL. One tidbit of information I do remember was that in those two years, winning HOTY in both-----Cam Fella had 69 or 70 starts.
Pat had a good size stable that year, and while Cam Fella certainly helped the stats and accomplishments, Pat had a record breaking UDRS in 82-----some crazy number like 450 or something. He won over 30% of this races that year, driving his own stock. After Cam Fella retired, Pat won 8 races on a 10 or 11 race card one night. I think it was at Kingston.
He trained, and I think he might have driven his last horse he trained, up until about 10 years ago, before retiring. He used to get a kick out of all the sons of Cam Fella (and now grandsons) who became stallions.
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R.I.P.
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Pat Crowe of Cam Fella fame died the other day. He was 87. When you have a horse like Cam Fella, HOTY in both 1982 and 1983, most people forget anything and everything else you do and did, LOL. One tidbit of information I do remember was that in those two years, winning HOTY in both-----Cam Fella had 69 or 70 starts.
Pat had a good size stable that year, and while Cam Fella certainly helped the stats and accomplishments, Pat had a record breaking UDRS in 82-----some crazy number like 450 or something. He won over 30% of this races that year, driving his own stock. After Cam Fella retired, Pat won 8 races on a 10 or 11 race card one night. I think it was at Kingston.
He trained, and I think he might have driven his last horse he trained, up until about 10 years ago, before retiring. He used to get a kick out of all the sons of Cam Fella (and now grandsons) who became stallions.
thanks for that update....some very interesting tidbits...what a great horse
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RIP
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They don't make them like this anymore. Back when Pat was racing Cam Fella he took on all commers anywhere and everywhere. No ducking anyone or protecting him, raced at every track from east to west and North and South. Those were the days.
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They don't make them like this anymore. Back when Pat was racing Cam Fella he took on all commers anywhere and everywhere. No ducking anyone or protecting him, raced at every track from east to west and North and South. Those were the days.
agree
I can recall during his famous winning streak there was a race at M1 where he looked beaten but somehow battled back and gutted out a dead for win
incredible race horse
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I can recall during his famous winning streak there was a race at M1 where he looked beaten but somehow battled back and gutted out a dead for win
incredible race horse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0MOi1DQvtg
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They don't make them like this anymore. Back when Pat was racing Cam Fella he took on all commers anywhere and everywhere. No ducking anyone or protecting him, raced at every track from east to west and North and South. Those were the days.
tmbz1 tmbz1
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amazing race
not like he just edged by its fritz and won by a nose, he drew off by a good length
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Great race. I know Carl was pissed at himself for moving too early. It may have been a different outcome if he would have sat until the stretch.
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Great race. I know Carl was pissed at himself for moving too early. It may have been a different outcome if he would have sat until the stretch.
i believe that was Marty not Carl
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i believe that was Marty not Carl
It was Marty. And it wouldn't have mattered. Pat was starting to back into them forcing Marty to move. Horse had no excuse, just got beat by a better horse.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0MOi1DQvtg
thank you
that wasn't the race I was referring to but a great race nonetheless
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I often wondered what the outcome would have been if Cam Fella raced against Niatross as he was never seriously tested except the horror trips at Saratoga and Meadowlands Pace elimination. Gun to my head, Niatross would beat Cam Fella, but I'm not so sure. Cam Fella is an immortal.
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My condolences to Pat's family and friends.
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A lot of people don't remember, or don't know, that Pat Crowe didn't select, break, and develop Cam Fella. None other than, Doug Arthur did, and he was a great, underrated horsemen. Cam Fella was for sale throughout his 2yo year, which was pretty ordinary, so he didn't get a lot of attention.....unt il he won his last start of the year in the Valedictory final at Greenwood. After that race is when "the two Norm's" bought him.
Yes, Marty Allen drove Its Fritz in that race. Cam Fella had a few (I think three) good races with Its Fritz. Its Fritz was kind of a green 4yo, but he was super fast. After the big one at the Big M, it wasn't much of a battle. The media tried to make it an Ali-Frazier kind of thing (and they kind of did the same with Merger), but the reality is the two horses were not even in the same league. Carl did in fact drive Its Fritz when he raced against Cam Fella again in the Blue Bonnets Challenge Cup. After Pat pulled and went by Its Fritz, it was over. Its Fritz was off the board. Its Fritz was super fast, but didn't have the heart, the guts, the toughness, etc. Of course Cam Fella got syndicated, and not only did that not go so well at the beginning, but neither did his 4yo year, LOL. I think he lost 4 out of his first 5, then got DQ'ed. I think he got beat in one more start.....and then.....well, we all know what happened after that. LOL.
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A lot of people don't remember, or don't know, that Pat Crowe didn't select, break, and develop Cam Fella. None other than, Doug Arthur did, and he was a great, underrated horsemen. Cam Fella was for sale throughout his 2yo year, which was pretty ordinary, so he didn't get a lot of attention.....unt il he won his last start of the year in the Valedictory final at Greenwood. After that race is when "the two Norm's" bought him.
Yes, Marty Allen drove Its Fritz in that race. Cam Fella had a few (I think three) good races with Its Fritz. Its Fritz was kind of a green 4yo, but he was super fast. After the big one at the Big M, it wasn't much of a battle. The media tried to make it an Ali-Frazier kind of thing (and they kind of did the same with Merger), but the reality is the two horses were not even in the same league. Carl did in fact drive Its Fritz when he raced against Cam Fella again in the Blue Bonnets Challenge Cup. After Pat pulled and went by Its Fritz, it was over. Its Fritz was off the board. Its Fritz was super fast, but didn't have the heart, the guts, the toughness, etc. Of course Cam Fella got syndicated, and not only did that not go so well at the beginning, but neither did his 4yo year, LOL. I think he lost 4 out of his first 5, then got DQ'ed. I think he got beat in one more start.....and then.....well, we all know what happened after that. LOL.
I was going to mention that Doug Arthur developed Cam Fella. He also was responsible for Bo Knows Jate, Cinnamon Reel and a few other good ones that escape my memory. Nevertheless condolences to the Crowe family.
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I was going to mention that Doug Arthur developed Cam Fella. He also was responsible for Bo Knows Jate, Cinnamon Reel and a few other good ones that escape my memory. Nevertheless condolences to the Crowe family.
Justin Passing was another good one.
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I was going to mention that Doug Arthur developed Cam Fella. He also was responsible for Bo Knows Jate, Cinnamon Reel and a few other good ones that escape my memory. Nevertheless condolences to the Crowe family.
Justin Passing was another good one.
Yes, Justin Passing, and add Diamond River and Mystery Skipper to that list. Like I said, Doug was a very underrated horseman, but an exceptional horseman. He was a great judge of horseflesh and he knew when he had a good one. You could always tell by how he priced them, LOL.
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Buddy was the real trainer of Cam Fella as a 4 year old. Crowe would just fly in and drive.
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I often wondered what the outcome would have been if Cam Fella raced against Niatross as he was never seriously tested except the horror trips at Saratoga and Meadowlands Pace elimination. Gun to my head, Niatross would beat Cam Fella, but I'm not so sure. Cam Fella is an immortal.
Niatross was a MUCH better racehorse and is on most lists as an all time great. Cam Fella lost 19 races. I'm sorry, you don't get to be called great if you lose 19 races. Cam Fella was a superior sire though and that should count for something.
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Niatross was a MUCH better racehorse and is on most lists as an all time great. Cam Fella lost 19 races. I'm sorry, you don't get to be called great if you lose 19 races. Cam Fella was a superior sire though and that should count for something.
I'd say winning 28 consecutive qualifies and the way he did it, qualifies
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Niatross was a MUCH better racehorse and is on most lists as an all time great. Cam Fella lost 19 races. I'm sorry, you don't get to be called great if you lose 19 races. Cam Fella was a superior sire though and that should count for something.
OK Karl
you are the grand master of knowledge 73cv.2
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well cam fella raced 80 times, won 61
was top 3 in 75 of 80
he ducked NOBODY!!!
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https://paquetvideo.tripod.com/Pat_Crowe.pdf
Just a bit of an interesting interview with Pat Crowe (from 1997).
I am looking for another one he did-----two parts-----one right after Cam Fella's not so good start of his 4yo season, and then right before Cam Fella retired. It was very interesting about how he handled his first 5 or 6 starts when he got beat, DQ'ed, wasn't right, etc., and then what he did with him. Well, whatever it was, training, equipment, etc., the big horse went on to win 28 in a row!
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I often wondered what the outcome would have been if Cam Fella raced against Niatross as he was never seriously tested except the horror trips at Saratoga and Meadowlands Pace elimination. Gun to my head, Niatross would beat Cam Fella, but I'm not so sure. Cam Fella is an immortal.
Cam Fella and Niatross raced within 2-3 years of each other. I point that out because it's a fallacious argument to ask "what if" with horses from different eras. Even as short as 10 years, for sure 15.
That said, there was much more a discussion with Nihilator and On The Road Again as they both raced in the same year (1985), when Nihilator was 3 and OTRA was 4. There was foolish talk of a match race, but that was never going to happen, but what was thrown around as a possibility was possibly putting together a race where Nihilator would race against aged horses (and OTRA). Joe DeFrank bantered around the idea with both connections, but it never got out of the starting gate really. I think the talk was after Nihilator failed to break the WR in the time trial, and ultimately ended his 3yo year and career with winning the Breeders Crown (at Garden State Park), could they get some aged race at GSP and attract both horses. Obviously, it never happened.
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OK Karl
you are the grand master of knowledge 73cv.2
You mean the only trotter in harness racing history to earn over 1 million at 2yo and at 3yo. PS...He earned more than Cam Fella on the racetrack and he may earn more. hahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahaha hahaha douchebag
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Good guy......he really was a legend !! Rest easy and see you at the big track in the sky .
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Yes, Justin Passing, and add Diamond River and Mystery Skipper to that list. Like I said, Doug was a very underrated horseman, but an exceptional horseman. He was a great judge of horseflesh and he knew when he had a good one. You could always tell by how he priced them, LOL.
Kingsbridge BC winner at 3 for Roger Mayotte
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That was at Nfld a week or two after Jug, Had him off the rail in Jug, didn't do shit
then wins at 35-1 in BC ggrrrrrrrr Not my best memory. ;D
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Kingsbridge BC winner at 3 for Roger Mayotte
At Northfield! Textbook, picture perfect drive by Roger beating Western Hanover! Kingsbridge was about 35-1! Paid $73 and change to win! Doug Arthur had Bo Knows Jate in there.
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You mean the only trotter in harness racing history to earn over 1 million at 2yo and at 3yo. PS...He earned more than Cam Fella on the racetrack and he may earn more. hahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahaha hahaha douchebag
Speaking of "douchebags"---I guess someone doesn't understand harness racing here!
We're all very 'curious' about what Karl will 'sire' if/when his opportunity happens. I doubt very much he will match Cam Fella in the breeding shed!
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You can't compare earnings on horses who raced decades ago when purses were much lower.
I didn't mention the earnings part of this equation, MIKE did!!
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Speaking of "douchebags"---I guess someone doesn't understand harness racing here!
We're all very 'curious' about what Karl will 'sire' if/when his opportunity happens. I doubt very much he will match Cam Fella in the breeding shed!
I posted that Cam Fella was a superior sire. I can't help it if you didn't pass 5th grade reading.
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Anyone who compares what a horse earned today vs. what a horse earned forty years ago is simply delusional and hallucinatory. Whether intentional or by accident, doesn't matter.
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That was at Nfld a week or two after Jug, Had him off the rail in Jug, didn't do shit
then wins at 35-1 in BC ggrrrrrrrr Not my best memory. ;D
Sorry for triggering the bad memory. LOL. Tough beat. I won't tell you what I had, LOL.
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You can't compare earnings on horses who raced decades ago when purses were much lower.
Over 4 decades ago!
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Over 4 decades ago!
What does 4 decades ago have to do with it?
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Anyone who compares what a horse earned today vs. what a horse earned forty years ago is simply delusional and hallucinatory. Whether intentional or by accident, doesn't matter.
100% AGREE!
Look what plopster made the 'earnings statement'!
ENOUGH SAID!
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What does 4 decades ago have to do with it?
Everything to do with it!
Would you rather have $1 million 40 years ago, or $1 million today?
Again, ENOIUGH SAID!
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Everything to do with it!
Would you rather have $1 million 40 years ago, or $1 million today?
Again, ENOIUGH SAID!
BTW, just as a side note-----not that your position needs to be proven, but-----Cam Fella earned $2m in his career and that was over 40 years ago! In addition, he was syndicated for a legitimate $6m. There was additional monies paid to "the two Norm's" but that aside, every share in the syndicate sold for the legit price. Fact. Also, he was a ridgling! Imagine that!
And, Cam Fella had a street named after him in Toronto! On the other hand, I have to say, there is a street in my town...and it's called Karl Court...so I guess that kind of notoriety means squat. LOL.
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This is for the know-it-alls who posted that purses were lower when Cam Fella raced.
1982 Cane Pace $513,300
2024 Cane Pace $248,00
1982 Messenger $259.578
2024 Messenger $225,000
1982 Meadowlands Pace $1,000,000
2024 Meadowlands Pace $650,000
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This is for the know-it-alls who posted that purses were lower when Cam Fella raced.
1982 Cane Pace $513,300
2024 Cane Pace $248,00
1982 Messenger $259.578
2024 Messenger $225,000
1982 Meadowlands Pace $1,000,000
2024 Meadowlands Pace $650,000
Those mid 1980's purses were an exception rather than the rule!
Most of us here know more than you do!
Please learn the game!
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Those mid 1980's purses were an exception rather than the rule!
Most of us here know more than you do!
Please learn the game!
Those are the races Cam Fella raced in, you nitwit
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You clowns that post here like Rainman and Goofball Handicapper are nothing but cake eaters. Neither of you clowns has ever trained a horse in your LIFE. If it wasn't printed in a book, you would know nothing about Harness Racing. I thank God you two morons disagree with what I post because the day you agree with me is the day I hang myself.
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Those are the races Cam Fella raced in, you nitwit
Whatever you sat 'NITWIT'.
Please learn the game!
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You clowns that post here like Rainman and Goofball Handicapper are nothing but cake eaters. Neither of you clowns has ever trained a horse in your LIFE. If it wasn't printed in a book, you would know nothing about Harness Racing. I thank God you two morons disagree with what I post because the day you agree with me is the day I hang myself.
Speaking of 'clowns' MIKE, when you breed them. own them and race them you learn about how horses are trained. You don't need a trainer's license to do this! FYI, I ask my trainer questions concerning his methods, etc.
Please learn the game!
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Speaking of 'clowns' MIKE, when you breed them. own them and race them you learn about how horses are trained. You don't need a trainer's license to do this! FYI, I ask my trainer questions concerning his methods, etc.
Please learn the game!
Your trainer deserves the Purple Heart for having to deal with an imbecile like you.
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Your trainer deserves the Purple Heart for having to deal with an imbecile like you.
Believe it or not, he actually enjoys dealing with me. I ask questions, and I get answers. Unlike other trainers in the business.
Any other questions/comments so you can look more foolish here on horseplop?
Learn the game!
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Believe it or not, he actually enjoys dealing with me. I ask questions, and I get answers. Unlike other trainers in the business.
Any other questions/comments so you can look more foolish here on horseplop?
Learn the game!
Trust me, there isn't a life form in this galaxy that would enjoy dealing with you.
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Trust me, there isn't a life form in this galaxy that would enjoy dealing with you.
Thanks for posting on things that you don’t know anything about.
My life and your knowledge of harness racing.
Learn the game!
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Thanks for posting on things that you don’t know anything about.
My life and your knowledge of harness racing.
Learn the game!
There isn't a real horseman on planet Earth that would describe harness racing as a game. You prove how insignificant and irrelevant you are with every sentence you post.
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There isn't a real horseman on planet Earth that would describe harness racing as a game. You prove how insignificant and irrelevant you are with every sentence you post.
FYI, it’s a game!
Some take it more seriously than others!
Thanks for showing horseplop how insignificant and irrelevant you are!
Some of us don’t post rude, crude, nasty comments like you do.
We all see it here.
Please learn how to give constructive criticism without being nasty!
Please respond with some more “whining” that you do so well at this on horseplop!
FYI, my trainer “LAUGHED” at your Purple Heart comment. I chatted with him a few minutes ago!!!
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Believe it or not, he actually enjoys dealing with me. I ask questions, and I get answers. Unlike other trainers in the business.
Any other questions/comments so you can look more foolish here on horseplop?
Learn the game!
that would be impossible after what he posted last summer 73cv.2 73cv.2 ngc3
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FYI, it’s a game!
Some take it more seriously than others!
Thanks for showing horseplop how insignificant and irrelevant you are!
Some of us don’t post rude, crude, nasty comments like you do.
We all see it here.
Please learn how to give constructive criticism without being nasty!
Please respond with some more “whining” that you do so well at this on horseplop!
FYI, my trainer “LAUGHED” at your Purple Heart comment. I chatted with him a few minutes ago!!!
Read the thread. I was attacked first by Papillon and then by you without ever posting anything rude so you can go fuck yourself.
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I often wondered what the outcome would have been if Cam Fella raced against Niatross as he was never seriously tested except the horror trips at Saratoga and Meadowlands Pace elimination. Gun to my head, Niatross would beat Cam Fella, but I'm not so sure. Cam Fella is an immortal.
While it's a thought provoking question, and I won't do the Niatross/Cam Fella thing, like I said, Nihilator and On The Road Again raced in the same year. With all that talk about the two racing against each other, I can see a valid discussion. I was more intrigued by the Nihilator/OTRA again, and if it happened, which I knew it wouldn't, and it wasn't a match race.....I was betting!
We all know that Nihilator as a 2yo won Wilson in 52 and 4 (which was a WR at the time). As a 3yo he won the Meadowlands Pace in an all age WR in 50 and 3. He also won again at the Meadowlands in a 49 and 3, which was the fastest race ever at the time----but, it was during an afternoon card! He time trialed in 50 and 4 while attempting to break his daddy's WR of 49 and 1. He came back and won the BC at GSP in 53.
OTRA at 3 won the Provincial at WR in 53 and 4 (which I think was a WR at the time), but, more importantly and impressively, he won the Meadowlands Pace-----from the second tier 12 hole, gapped at the start, parked the entire mile, 4th over, tipped 3 wide down the backside with a huge move, moved into first over, never cleared, got the lead, and won in 53 and 3! It was impressive to say the least! As a 4yo, OTRA swept the the World Cup Series-----winning one leg at a mile and a half-----at the Meadowlands in 2:54.1 (I think).
Now, here's some connecting the dots for those (not Newt Lobell) who are uneducated and who simply look at teletimer and spout off times, because they know little to nothing about horses.....on the same afternoon card that Nihilator won in 49 and 3.....OTRA also won in 51 and 4!
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Read the thread. I was attacked first by Papillon and then by you without ever posting anything rude so you can go fuck yourself.
not attacking--just a friendly reminder of what you posted last summer
I am not one of your buddies pretending that you didn't post such laughable material-then return after a hiatus and immediately starting insulting people as per your usual
you are very entertaining Karl and I am glad you are back 73cv.2 ngc3
now go back to staring at the clock
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While it's a thought provoking question, and I won't do the Niatross/Cam Fella thing, like I said, Nihilator and On The Road Again raced in the same year. With all that talk about the two racing against each other, I can see a valid discussion. I was more intrigued by the Nihilator/OTRA again, and if it happened, which I knew it wouldn't, and it wasn't a match race.....I was betting!
We all know that Nihilator as a 2yo won Wilson in 52 and 4 (which was a WR at the time). As a 3yo he won the Meadowlands Pace in an all age WR in 50 and 3. He also won again at the Meadowlands in a 49 and 3, which was the fastest race ever at the time----but, it was during an afternoon card! He time trialed in 50 and 4 while attempting to break his daddy's WR of 49 and 1. He came back and won the BC at GSP in 53.
OTRA at 3 won the Provincial at WR in 53 and 4 (which I think was a WR at the time), but, more importantly and impressively, he won the Meadowlands Pace-----from the second tier 12 hole, gapped at the start, parked the entire mile, 4 wide, tipped 3 wide down the backside with a huge move, moved into first over, never cleared, and won in 53 and 3! It was impressive to say the least! As a 4yo, OTRA swept the the World Cup Series-----winning one leg at a mile and a half-----at the Meadowlands in 2:54.1 (I think).
Now, here's some connecting the dots for those (not Newt Lobell) who are uneducated and who simply look at teletimer and spout off time, because they know little to nothing about horses.....on the same afternoon card that Nihilator won in 49 and 3.....OTRA also won in 51 and 4!
hats off to Falcon Seelster in that race--Nihilator couldn't draw away and held that 1-2 length lead most of the mile
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not attacking--just a friendly reminder of what you posted last summer
I am not one of your buddies pretending that you didn't post such laughable material-then return after a hiatus and immediately starting insulting people as per your usual
you are very entertaining Karl and I am glad you are back 73cv.2 ngc3
now go back to staring at the clock
My morning bowel movement is smarter than you.
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agree
I can recall during his famous winning streak there was a race at M1 where he looked beaten but somehow battled back and gutted out a dead for win
incredible race horse
Walt Hanover was the horse that dead heated with Cam during that streak
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My morning bowel movement is smarter than you.
OK Karl 73cv.2
well crafted come back tmbz1
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OK Karl 73cv.2
well crafted come back tmbz1
I won again. You're too easy. It is like a FFA in against a 5 claimer.
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I won again. You're too easy. It is like a FFA in against a 5 claimer.
yes Karl ngc3
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hats off to Falcon Seelster in that race--Nihilator couldn't draw away and held that 1-2 length lead most of the mile
Good point. Falcon Seelster was fast. Speedy. But there were times he showed some braveness, game. Nihilator kind of had a funny way of going when he trained, kind of trappy gaited, a lot of that reachy action. But, the faster he went, he kind of got lower, more centered, and straightened himself and his gait out, but he was still a bit hard on himself and his feet.....but in the end, he could go pretty fast! LOL. Falcon Seelster was fast. He had speed. How tough he was is another issue, but like I said, at times he showed some toughness, and that was one of those times.
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Read the thread. I was attacked first by Papillon and then by you without ever posting anything rude so you can go fuck yourself.
EASY KARL EASY!
What's it like to embarrass yourself on horseplop time and time again!
Does it accomplish anything to be so rude to myself and others with the language you use here?
Please learn the game KARL!
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that would be impossible after what he posted last summer 73cv.2 73cv.2 ngc3
Tough to change actual written responses that can be verified as 100% accurate and true!
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not attacking--just a friendly reminder of what you posted last summer
I am not one of your buddies pretending that you didn't post such laughable material-then return after a hiatus and immediately starting insulting people as per your usual
you are very entertaining Karl and I am glad you are back 73cv.2 ngc3
now go back to staring at the clock
100% ACCURATE!
I'm glad KARL is back too!
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Good point. Falcon Seelster was fast. Speedy. But there were times he showed some braveness, game. Nihilator kind of had a funny way of going when he trained, kind of trappy gaited, a lot of that reachy action. But, the faster he went, he kind of got lower, more centered, and straightened himself and his gait out, but he was still a bit hard on himself and his feet.....but in the end, he could go pretty fast! LOL. Falcon Seelster was fast. He had speed. How tough he was is another issue, but like I said, at times he showed some toughness, and that was one of those times.
Falcon Seelster was ultra fast. He held the track record in Delaware for many years..It's a shame he wasn't jug eligible and could not go up against Nihalator on that particular day. I think Nihilator won the LBJ in 152 and Falcon Seelster held the record at 151. Regardless of time,2 great racehorses. Also RIP Pat.
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Falcon Seelster was ultra fast. He held the track record in Delaware for many years..It's a shame he wasn't jug eligible and could not go up against Nihalator on that particular day. I think Nihilator won the LBJ in 152 and Falcon Seelster held the record at 151. Regardless of time,2 great racehorses. Also RIP Pat.
Agreed, absolutely. He was ultra fast. Nihilator won the LBJ 5 days after winning the Dancer at Freehold. IIRC, it was Nihilator's first start ever on a half (I think).....I'd have to think that through for minute. He won both heats.....53 and 1 and 52 and 1.
Given, Nihilator had the rest of a campaign to handle, and a major syndication in the wings. Falcon Seelster didn't have much left on the calendar and they knew they would be second fiddle to Nihilator's syndication. Obviously his 151 was a statement, LOL.
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Walt Hanover was the horse that dead heated with Cam during that streak
That's correct.....Cam Fella was 1-9.....and Walt Hanover was something like 75-1. It was the last leg of the Driscoll.
Trivia question to the veterans who might have been there that night.....does anyone remember who drove Walk Hanover in that race? I am guessing you could google it, but that's not fun, LOL.
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That's correct.....Cam Fella was 1-9.....and Walt Hanover was something like 75-1. It was the last leg of the Driscoll.
Trivia question to the veterans who might have been there that night.....does anyone remember who drove Walk Hanover in that race? I am guessing you could google it, but that's not fun, LOL.
Billy or Tommy
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Kingsbridge BC winner at 3 for Roger Mayotte
Do you remember how Roger got that colt? Or when? I am racking my brain out on this. I knew. I saw him baby race. I watched the colt and now it's completely erased from me memory, LOL.
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They don't make them like this anymore. Back when Pat was racing Cam Fella he took on all commers anywhere and everywhere. No ducking anyone or protecting him, raced at every track from east to west and North and South. Those were the days.
80 lifetime starts! 80! And he retired after his 4yo year. 80 starts. I'd like to check the stats and see the last time a horse did that. Even On The Road Again didn't have anywhere near 80 starts.
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Agreed, absolutely. He was ultra fast. Nihilator won the LBJ 5 days after winning the Dancer at Freehold. IIRC, it was Nihilator's first start ever on a half (I think).....I'd have to think that through for minute. He won both heats.....53 and 1 and 52 and 1.
Given, Nihilator had the rest of a campaign to handle, and a major syndication in the wings. Falcon Seelster didn't have much left on the calendar and they knew they would be second fiddle to Nihilator's syndication. Obviously his 151 was a statement, LOL.
another side note about Nihilator--he had help
often there were 3 and 4 horse entries as Haughton also had Pershing Square, Chairman of the board and another decent 3yo setting picks and causing traffic problems for the others trying to beat Nihilator
I lived near Garden St Park and went a lot, I was there the night Armbro Dallas driven by Ron Waples upset Nihilator at about 80-1
the following week Nihilator destroyed the field in the final as if he was angry for losing
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It's Chairmanoftheboar d..no spaces.. It's what I always refer to when seeing if horse names
I think of fit...18 spaces max tmbz1
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another side note about Nihilator--he had help
often there were 3 and 4 horse entries as Haughton also had Pershing Square, Chairman of the board and another decent 3yo setting picks and causing traffic problems for the others trying to beat Nihilator
I lived near Garden St Park and went a lot, I was there the night Armbro Dallas driven by Ron Waples upset Nihilator at about 80-1
the following week Nihilator destroyed the field in the final as if he was angry for losing
Very true. More than Haughton, Lou Guida had a very deep bench that year. Just in the Meadowlands Pace, Guida had a five horse entry-----Nihilator, Chairmanoftheboar d, Pershing Square, Primus, and Handsome Sum. Guida/Haughton won two of the three eliminations. Here's a trivia question for the veterans who may have been there.....Do you remember who won the third elimination? Here's a hint, it was not a Haughton OR Guida horse.
And, that same year, Guida also had Flight of Fire with Mickey McNichol and Joe Caraluzzi.
Hey, in the final.....as a bettor.....if you are very confident, you get a 5% ROR on a five horse entry to show!?!?! LOL.
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BJ Scoot held off a four horse Guida entry and Albert Albert to win
the 1988 Jug. Mike LaChance piked him..53.4 to half