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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Brown jug on April 08, 2025, 03:48:29 PM
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oh no, not this again
laughable that they are reducing the drag by one minute per race per racing card
wtf, that's like what they do for drug addicts, lessen the hit as little each day
its like the bettors are too stupid to go cold turkey and just eliminate it all at once
big m will do it gradually
more likely to allow the computer conglomerates to get accustomed to less time and how long they have after the race starts to hit the bet button !!
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Wagering should be closed at post time and the starting gate should not move until wagering is closed.
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Correct, Kenny. Do it and force the bettors to respect the clock. Admittedly, there may be short term reduction in handle, but I have seen plenty of tbred tracks hit post time, and even the smaller ones outhandle most of the harness tracks.
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If the bettors know you're serious, they'll adjust. Back in Meadowlands heyday, they always started on time and the majority of it was live on-track handle.
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totally agree
which of us has not been shut out in the past because the person or teller at your line was a moron
is there really any excuse to get shut out these days when all you do is enter a bet and push a button
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I would love to hear how this is going to bring more people to the track, keep them there longer and increase handle.
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If the racing commissions did their jobs, post time drag would not exist anywhere at any time. If a race doesn't go off at post, track must document the reason for a delay. Information known to be inaccurate is being communicated on odds boards. This influences bettors actions. Allowing the post drag nonsense opens the door to other bad acts by racetrack operators. Pools and odds on horses could be manipulated to try and get more money bet. Also, Stronach run tracks front run NYRA all the time. NYRA tracks always go off at post time. Stronach delays their posts where possible to go off seconds before NYRA to try and steal TVG feed and impulse cash from last second bettors.
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They will run the races quicker and get everybody out by 9:00
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Let’s hope it takes, the slot tracks should do this and the slot tracks should lower takeout
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HOOSIER PARK POST TIME IS 615 PM AND THE 1 ST RACE GOES OFF AT 630 PM THEY DONT AVERAGE 3 RACES AN HOUR THERE AND THERE 15 MINUTES BEHIND AFTER THE 1 ST RACE EVERYNIGHT THEY RACE AND IT GETS SLOWER AS THEY GO. tmbz1
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I go to the track about once a week. When the card drags , around 5 th or 6 race and I see post time is 15 minutes and know it will be 20 to 25 minutes I say to myself “ i can be home in 25 minutes” and leave. I they are convinced the “buggy races” are fixed (might be right), and they start right out telling a lie about post time in 10 minutes when it starts long after that.
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HOOSIER PARK POST TIME IS 615 PM AND THE 1 ST RACE GOES OFF AT 630 PM THEY DONT AVERAGE 3 RACES AN HOUR THERE AND THERE 15 MINUTES BEHIND AFTER THE 1 ST RACE EVERYNIGHT THEY RACE AND IT GETS SLOWER AS THEY GO. tmbz1
Gabe is the President of the Drag Club.
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Who does his make-up? ngc3
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Do you think we will see him on RuPaul? 73cv.2
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If they do this one minute per card, per week, or whatever, it's obvious they want to track impact. Thus, I am not expecting it will get eliminated completely. I hope, but don't expect. More importantly, I hope Gural implements what he said he was going to look at, and that is cutting off the CAW's X minute(s) to post. Not having a legitimate, true to schedule post time is bull$hit.
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If they do this one minute per card, per week, or whatever, it's obvious they want to track impact. Thus, I am not expecting it will get eliminated completely. I hope, but don't expect. More importantly, I hope Gural implements what he said he was going to look at, and that is cutting off the CAW's X minute(s) to post. Not having a legitimate, true to schedule post time is bull$hit.
Gural is full of shit too.
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Getting more people to the "racetrack" and the "races" is not a "post time drag" conversation. It's like having cancer and talking about a splinter.
However, one question I think about is-----if you could get more people to the facility, should you be keeping them longer or shorter?
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The real issue is the amount of time BETWEEN races, regardless of when post time is.
I can't get anybody in my family to go to the races because all the dead time is a waste of time in their mind. Times are changing. People have short attention spans, and aren't interested in 8 minutes of action "squeezed" into an hour.
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True.....the NHL made changes in order to "speed up" the game and get people out/home sooner. The amount of time between races has long been a complaint. Unfortunately, shortening the time between races is counterintuitive to track management. However, with more people having more access to betting, getting your bet in easier, both on track and off track, they should be able to make up for it somehow.
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The real issue is the amount of time BETWEEN races, regardless of when post time is.
I can't get anybody in my family to go to the races because all the dead time is a waste of time in their mind. Times are changing. People have short attention spans, and aren't interested in 8 minutes of action "squeezed" into an hour.
Going strictly by the post times provided on ustrotting, there will be 25 mins between each race on Friday with the last race going on at 1145 pm. If true, gural is running the races at the same times as before but with 1 minute less of the clock of zero
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Gural and Settlemoir claim they hate the drag but when they tried reducing it last year, they gave up after only a few nights because they claim it hurt their handle alot. However, if the bettors know you're serious about it, they will adjust accordingly, because in this day and age if you ever get shut out, it's your own fault because most people are betting from home and the last time I checked, there's no one in front of you tying up the window.
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Going strictly by the post times provided on ustrotting, there will be 25 mins between each race on Friday with the last race going on at 1145 pm. If true, gural is running the races at the same times as before but with 1 minute less of the clock of zero
ngc3 ngc3
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If Gural et al actually do it, and I will stress the word if, if they do it, don't worry.....the haters here will still find plenty of reasons to hate him.
Personally, I think they are serious about it this time. I think they watched what NYRA did and now that they've had a working relationship with NYRA they can hopefully benefit from that. I still can't help but wonder, if the reduction of the drag impacts handle.....do you bite the bullet and forge ahead, or do you retreat. Listen, like him or not, Gural is a very smart man. If you don't think so, it simply shows how ignorant you are. I hope the drag experiment works. Obviously.
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Let's examine the "very smart" aspects of the wagering business
Created a pick 6 that handles nothing. Designed to generate Carryovers but hands it a $.20 base. Starts it 2 races before the late pick 4 (best wager they offer) <sigh>
Implements a survivor pick 7 that's unbelievably way worse than the wager above. Handles nothing. Nobody has interest as it doesn't meet any gambler segment. And it's still around every night for all of us to ignore.
Add as many amatuer driver races as possible
First to usher in caws to harness racing pools. Now has as bad or worse late odds movement than any parimutuel racetrack track in the world
Banked turns - failed
No holes/tuckes- total failure
The wagering advice given out on the telecast every night instantly kills anyone following. Couldn't possibly be worse or more wrong.
Now he's modeling drag after saratoga thoroughbred. Sure his intelligence simply can't be questioned when it comes to gambling
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Big M management is trying
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Back in the hey day at Scioto, they delayed fairly often on Fri + Sat , not for drag but
because they were still lined clear down the road waiting to get in. People were paying
for parking and admission. I remember going for a number of years where I went under
the turnstile since I was that young and didn't have to pay. [Under 12 I believe] There
were like six lines [based on the Initial for last name] for reserved box seats and grandstand
seats. I remember waiting for 1/2 hr+ when my Dad and I didn't have reserved seats
[he preferred low and on the aisle] to wait for time to run out for people to pick up
their reservations.Thos e were the days! tmbz1
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race 1 off at 6:34
listed as 6:20 as per usual
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They need the drag so Little and Otten can elaborate on their surefire losers.
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Does he want more people to bet?? The average bettor is betting less or not at all, for they see crazy late odds changes due to CAW. Last week, the odds changed past the 1/2.. Why doesn't the Meadowlands want to deal with the CAW ISSUE? Why?? It's a massive % of his handle. Curious what the true amount is.I don't think the CAW would care when they are allowed to bet. They hammer the W/P/S pools. They're getting their % break, and they'll get their 1/5 or 1/9. Interesting why Meadowlands doesn't want to deal with these CAWs,
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of course they(CAW) dont care when they bet and a drag or no drag ...doesnt affect them--their money goes in after all other money
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Then why aren't they shut off a couple of minutes before post? Everyone is complaining about the late odds changes and so many 1/5 and 1/9.s There has to be more to the story
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they (CAW) accounts for 50% or more of the handle and they bet after the bell
race 3--0 minutes till post started at 7:14
race went off at 7:21
Savior is very serious about doing it ngc3
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It was stated on the broadcast last night the reason for doing this is they want everyone out of the building and going home or somewhere else by 11pm.
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It was stated on the broadcast last night the reason for doing this is they want everyone out of the building and going home or somewhere else by 11pm.
race 14 went off at 11:29pm
i guess that is considered trying
all night it was 0 minutes till post for 7 minutes--i think that is an improvement
why have a press release when it is all lies?
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race 14 went off at 11:29pm
i guess that is considered trying
all night it was 0 minutes till post for 7 minutes--i think that is an improvement
why have a press release when it is all lies?
They said 11pm evacuation is the goal after the gradual reduction in drag over the next few weeks. Not last night. Something about
letting younger people get out of there earlier to allow them to go somewhere else at 11pm.
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They said 11pm evacuation is the goal after the gradual reduction in drag over the next few weeks. Not last night. Something about
letting younger people get out of there earlier to allow them to go somewhere else at 11pm.
ok thanks for the update tmbz1
they are setting lofty goals since they have been obsessed with dragging and handle for a long time
according to their own business model-eliminating the drag will adversely affect handle
since half the money doesnt care-maybe they are deciding to try
i doubt we see any race 14's going off before 11pm-but we shall see
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Why do they need a gradual drag. Just post parade 7 minutes to post and race at zero. That’s the goal in 3 weeks. Do it now what is the purpose of doing it 2 minutes next week 3 minutes next just do it
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Why do they need a gradual drag. Just post parade 7 minutes to post and race at zero. That’s the goal in 3 weeks. Do it now what is the purpose of doing it 2 minutes next week 3 minutes next just do it
they dont need a gradual drag-shows how out of touch they are with the bettors
Jason and Savior are conflicted as usual
similar to when they announced matinee cards then changed their minds