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It's only one day, but people never say that when it's down big. LOL.
DJIA up 2600 -- about 7%
S&P 500 up 400 -- about 8%
NASDAQ up over 1500 -- just north of 10%
Russell 2000 up 130 -- about 7.5%
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I commented on the other threads which should be in the political forum, but markets are fluid no matter who is President. In 2008 and 2009 I lost half of my savings. Since then it has quadrupled in value. We truly won't know for at least a year on how the President's policies will work, which some I agree with and some I don't. All I know is people should be hoping Trump is successful because if he is, then so are we. The tariffs got paused thus the upswing. Liberals will say that they should not be here to begin with. Conservatives will say that other countries are ready to negotiate. Nobody will be able to convince the other of their point of view. As I said in the other thread 99 percent are in the market for the long haul, so daily or weekly fluctuations don't mean much unless you are on the cusp of retirement
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We are not worried. Countries are waiting in line to talk to President Trump for even trade agreements. Never underestimate a billionaire.
Thank you, President Trump
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I commented on the other threads which should be in the political forum, but markets are fluid no matter who is President. In 2008 and 2009 I lost half of my savings. Since then it has quadrupled in value. We truly won't know for at least a year on how the President's policies will work, which some I agree with and some I don't. All I know is people should be hoping Trump is successful because if he is, then so are we. The tariffs got paused thus the upswing. Liberals will say that they should not be here to begin with. Conservatives will say that other countries are ready to negotiate. Nobody will be able to convince the other of their point of view. As I said in the other thread 99 percent are in the market for the long haul, so daily or weekly fluctuations don't mean much unless you are on the cusp of retirement
Excellent points.
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President Trump is playing this "close to the vest". Countries will be able to negociate a specfic trade agreement over the next 90 days. I know the Trump "haters" will always hate. I've actually cut most of those haters out of my life. Not worth the drama. Life's to short to deal with folks who think Biden was all great and Trump is all bad. Nonsense from people who are not serious thinkers. But if imposing tariffs is bad, why do 178 countries have tariffs on us. My suggestion is no tariffs at all. All free trade.
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It's only one day, but people never say that when it's down big. LOL.
DJIA up 2600 -- about 7%
S&P 500 up 400 -- about 8%
NASDAQ up over 1500 -- just north of 10%
Russell 2000 up 130 -- about 7.5%
Only because our wishy-washy Orangehead is backing off this tariff shit for at least 90 days. Backing down on his "I'm a tough guy" approach. Maybe he'll be committed to some institution in the next three months and we can get back to a consistent rising market.
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Guess you would then have to raise taxes -
Remember "tariffs replace taxes"
you're all effed and being cuckoo-ed
its all a lie to make more and more wage slaves
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YOU don't get it.
IT much cheaper to import even with tarriffs than to make in USA. Simple,ECONOMICS.
BUT DRAFT DODGIN COWARD has proclaimed we in WORLD WAR III. HE wants to disrupt WORLD TRADE. One DRAFT DODGIN COWARD,wants to ack like he the "KING of the WORLD".
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President Trump is playing this "close to the vest". Countries will be able to negociate a specfic trade agreement over the next 90 days. I know the Trump "haters" will always hate. I've actually cut most of those haters out of my life. Not worth the drama. Life's to short to deal with folks who think Biden was all great and Trump is all bad. Nonsense from people who are not serious thinkers. But if imposing tariffs is bad, why do 178 countries have tariffs on us. My suggestion is no tariffs at all. All free trade.
I agree
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At the end of the day, I think the substantial tariffs that stick will be the ones that are designed to preventing illegal dumping (like steel) and those to protect victimized US commerce and industry.
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We are not worried. Countries are waiting in line to talk to President Trump for even trade agreements. Never underestimate a billionaire.
Thank you, President Trump
Worried enough to shit your pants and drop the tariffs 12 hours after he said how he wasn’t going to.
Remember 3 days ago how Trump retweeted he was going to make the Treasury interest rates go down and refinance the debt. Turns out things were so bad people were selling off their T bill bonds and interest rates went up as there were no buyers. Yes the interest on the debt got higher and he shit the bed. Europe and China waited so much in line they increased their tariffs. Please Trump is a financial grifter moron and so are his advisors. He hired so many incompetent's.
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For long-term investors-----which most people who are in the market should be, and ironically most people are not-----the bigger risk to being in the market is not being in the market; unforntualtely, because most people who get in and out are doing nothing more than playing the market timing game.
This decline is not a crash, it's not a correction, or anything market related. Yes, some people think it's economic related, vis a vis recessionary fears, but that has been debated for countless years. I don't know why, but people tend to forget the pricing model theory of looking at current stock yields relative/compared to long-term US Treasury yields. Right now that delta is about half of 1%. So, if current stock yields are projected to grow by more than a half percent, then stocks will outperform fixed income in the long term. And what does that have to do with the sell-off we've seen. Nothing. LOL.
This is why, over the long term, the broad based capital/equity markets-----not the Dow Jones-----goes up! Look at the rolling ten year, 15 year, and 20 year periods. Sure, it's easy to get scared at this type of volatility-----specifically declines and sell-offs-----but, long-term, if you don't know that those broad based markets do, then you shouldn't be in the market at all.
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I am retired. Have been in the market for a long time but don’t listen to the hot shots. Have never owned more than 4 stocks. Diversity guarantees a loser.
I have plenty to last till I pass on so play the mkt a little in those 4 stocks. I have buys in place and sells in place. My children’s inheritance has done very , very well in the past few weeks.
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President Trump is playing this "close to the vest". Countries will be able to negociate a specfic trade agreement over the next 90 days. I know the Trump "haters" will always hate. I've actually cut most of those haters out of my life. Not worth the drama. Life's to short to deal with folks who think Biden was all great and Trump is all bad. Nonsense from people who are not serious thinkers. But if imposing tariffs is bad, why do 178 countries have tariffs on us. My suggestion is no tariffs at all. All free trade.
PLEASE stop using the word “HATERS! We have enough division and issues in the world today!
Pretty sad when you cut people out of your life over political differences that you don’t have to discuss!! Many other things happening in the world today. Life is short!!
On the tariffs—you can’t keep changing your mind like people change underwear! Take a logical approach and you don’t have turmoil in the financial world and the entire world.
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YOU don't get it.
IT much cheaper to import even with tarriffs than to make in USA. Simple,ECONOMICS.
BUT DRAFT DODGIN COWARD has proclaimed we in WORLD WAR III. HE wants to disrupt WORLD TRADE. One DRAFT DODGIN COWARD,wants to ack like he the "KING of the WORLD".
You don't get it. You just set the tariff high enough to make the produced here cheaper. That is basic arithmetic.
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PLEASE stop using the word “HATERS! We have enough division and issues in the world today!
Pretty sad when you cut people out of your life over political differences that you don’t have to discuss!! Many other things happening in the world today. Life is short!!
On the tariffs—you can’t keep changing your mind like people change underwear! Take a logical approach and you don’t have turmoil in the financial world and the entire world.
Trump is a self-made billionaire and has been elected president twice. What are your accomplishments?
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Why not use the word "hater" when appropriate? It is far to prevalent in our country today. Too much hate, hatred, haters, divisiveness, and more of the like.
I say point to it, point it out, call it what it is, so that everyone gets to see it for what it is. You don't give it validity by pointing it out. You defeat it by pointing it out, because then everyone knows what it is, knows not to feed into it, and knows it's worth nothing. Then everyone can ignore it.
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Trump is a self-made billionaire and has been elected president twice. What are your accomplishments?
Self made billionaire?? Not quite true—-daddy’s money!! SAD BUT TRUE!!
Please get your facts correct!
Imagine what a real person could have accomplished given his family money he had behind him!
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correct kenny
and by doing that you create massive inflation
also do you think most Americans can afford to pay 25% more for basic essentials , gas, food, cars, furniture etc
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bigger question is who has trump been giving tips to
he and his buddies are making billions in the market with these wild swings, not hard to be on the right side of the trade if you know what's coming
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Why not use the word "hater" when appropriate? It is far to prevalent in our country today. Too much hate, hatred, haters, divisiveness, and more of the like.
I say point to it, point it out, call it what it is, so that everyone gets to see it for what it is. You don't give it validity by pointing it out. You defeat it by pointing it out, because then everyone knows what it is, knows not to feed into it, and knows it's worth nothing. Then everyone can ignore it.
Unfortunately, individuals like DJT cause their own problems in life! It’s pretty SAD when certain individuals have to blame others because they don’t see the deficiencies of the individuals they believe in!!
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"he and his buddies are making billions in the market with these wild swings, not hard to be on the right side of the trade if you know what's coming"
Hypocrite .... Not a word from you when that fucking hag Pelosi and her husband were raking in millions on insider trading !!!
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Maybe you IDIOT SHITS should look at MARGIE'S the bleach blonds trades prior 2 days before the IGNORANT TRAFT DODGIN POS announced.
YA she went. I'M takin everythin and goin TREASURY BONDS. What she doin today. Have no idea. But her BULLSHIT is: I'M takin everythin out and buyin. Don't even know if that possible without a big time loss.
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"Maybe you IDIOT SHITS should look at MARGIE'S the bleach blonds trades prior 2 days before the IGNORANT TRAFT DODGIN POS announced."
Why don't you just tell us what they were John.
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Definition of glutton for punishment is asking JFA for more of his indecipherable scribblings. tmbz1
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"he and his buddies are making billions in the market with these wild swings, not hard to be on the right side of the trade if you know what's coming"
Hypocrite .... Not a word from you when that fucking hag Pelosi and her husband were raking in millions on insider trading !!!
At 9.30 this morning President Trump posted on Truth Social ''buy in to the stock market today". Pay attention and make money, it's not that hard!
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Unfortunately, individuals like DJT cause their own problems in life! It’s pretty SAD when certain individuals have to blame others because they don’t see the deficiencies of the individuals they believe in!!
I wasn't speaking to President Trump. I was speaking to "haters" regardless of the object of their "hate."
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"he and his buddies are making billions in the market with these wild swings, not hard to be on the right side of the trade if you know what's coming"
Hypocrite .... Not a word from you when that fucking hag Pelosi and her husband were raking in millions on insider trading !!!
BULL!!! Nancy didnt manipulate the market and cost ALL OF US money!
BTW-do you think she was the ONLY person in Congress to ever used info that they were privey to--government contracts, etc
Wake up!!! DJT doesnt give a flying F about you and me!
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DUH!. JOHN FRANK ARMY explained the BLEACH BLONDS TRANSACTIONS 2 days prior to the IDIOT DRAFT DODGIN FUCKS plan to implement tarriffs.
Thanks for not lookin at the BITCHES,PORFOLLIOO. Ya I'M wrong. SURE.
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At 9.30 this morning President Trump posted on Truth Social ''buy in to the stock market today". Pay attention and make money, it's not that hard!
Well that's a pretty reliable stock market tip.....better than the racetrack.....LOL .
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Trump has already destroyed the economy and all 401K's....
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I caught a few minutes of a town hall meeting on CNN with Bernie Sanders, and 1 of the items that he said needs to be looked into is who was buying before Trump announced the 90 day tariff delay.
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Ya know: It not matter who buyin know. One can jump in.
You might be right though. DRAFT DODGIN BOY changes his tune. The lyin FUC proclaims every nation wants to negotiate with him. NONE have any interest in any of tat. LIES by,he how creates all of them.
So we start again:
(1) The war between UKRAIN and RUSSIA will be over the day I take office.
(2) All hostages in GAZA will be released te day I take office.
(3) I want NO deaths anywhere and want PEACE. That works as there have been more deaths in 2 months than in past 5 years.
(4) If ESGOMO'S,and their only 68,000 of them ,and they not listen to me,I WILL KILL ALL OF THEM. Do that also include all polar bears.
(5) IDIOT BRAIN. Wait a minute. I see PETER DOOCY gonna do a breakfest show tomoororow on FOX mornin. FOR GOT that TATOO down at PANAMA sayin that USA goin take over. Or is former BREAKFEST boy down there to get some more CHEAP TATOO'S.
HOW'S his WIFE SLUT doin with him listinin in on all conversations.
(6} THEE DRAFT DODGER do it again to appease CONGRESS. I have decided to pause for 90 days. Ya right. Your a fuckin IDIOT. You belong in a CHINNESE ballon floatin over USA. Make sure you got that LIV and PGA tour finalized,you fuckin MORON. No suchDEAL. Tanks you who thinks you can negotiate everythin. Your a FUCKIN IDIOT. Is it possible you can deport yourself and BABBOON back to SOUTH AFRICA.
(7) VETERANS and I meen MILITARY are so happy that you DRAFT DODGIN COWARD have betrayyed us. Not surprissin as you have previousilly proclaimed we all useless POS'S.
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The futures are down this morning in pre-market trading.....more reasons to hate and blame Trump, right? Like I said, if day to day bothers you, then you shouldn't be in the market. Take your marbles, go home, and go into guaranteed or buffered investments. Also, try bingo. It might be more your speed. LOL.
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"Wake up!!! DJT doesnt give a flying F about you and me!"
Yes, I really felt the warmth from Harris and Biden.
I don't want my government caring about ME!!
I want it caring about my country, giving ME a chance to make a great life for myself.
I feel I have a better chance for that with Trump Administration than I did with Biden's.
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Trump's now being charged with stock manipulation and insider trading. What a friggin mess!
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Let me explain this to you.
Trump caved because T Bill rates were going up meaning no one wanted US Tresury bonds. They were dumping them. I was told here that Trump was playing 4D chess and interest rates were going down and refinance the debt, the opposite happened.
When Nike buys sneakers from Vietnam they paid in dollars. Those dollars Vietnam had then went to the safest place in the world to put it. They purchased US Treasuries. When that is not happenning it will be not very good for the US. We are goint to lose our status as the world economic leader slowly. It is hard to regain the trust that Trump has undone.
Lastly if you make more money in wages it is a pay increase and you have more money. But when the price of Chinese goods goes up you lose money. We are not making the plastic cases for I Phones, plastic picture frames etc. You are going to pay more or essentially a wage decrease.
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to darnoldrocks
to be clear i despise that hag Pelosi and her husband, the made tens of millions on insider trading and should be in jail
why would i comment on them on a harness racing forum
of course now the site has been hijacked about maga so here we go
however the stock market is not a slot machine, the swings trump is creating are very harmful to people and unnecessary
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to darnoldrocks
to be clear i despise that hag Pelosi and her husband, the made tens of millions on insider trading and should be in jail
why would i comment on them on a harness racing forum
of course now the site has been hijacked about maga so here we go
however the stock market is not a slot machine, the swings trump is creating are very harmful to people and unnecessary
Trump dont care
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"the stock market is not a slot machine, the swings trump is creating are very harmful to people and unnecessary"
The swings are only harmful if you panic and sell your position.
He never said it would be a cake walk.
"Mr. Trump urged Americans to "hang tough" and acknowledged things "won't be easy."
Like it or not, I think his Administration are using tariffs to bring countries to the table to negotiate more equitable trade agreements. Your guess is as good as mine as to the short and long term outcomes.
Personally, I wish he had of chosen a strategy where they embarked on these negotiations, 3 or 4 countries at a time.
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when trup said gone by easter i didn't think he ment my life savings can someone explain to me how MTG is worth 41 m without a little help from its friends
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"the stock market is not a slot machine, the swings trump is creating are very harmful to people and unnecessary"
The swings are only harmful if you panic and sell your position.
He never said it would be a cake walk.
"Mr. Trump urged Americans to "hang tough" and acknowledged things "won't be easy."
Like it or not, I think his Administration are using tariffs to bring countries to the table to negotiate more equitable trade agreements. Your guess is as good as mine as to the short and long term outcomes.
Personally, I wish he had of chosen a strategy where they embarked on these negotiations, 3 or 4 countries at a time.
This is not working. We had or still have best economy in the world. Very far from perfect but wrecking the economy is not the same as DOGE firing and rehiring because they are idiots. Interest rates are up now, nothing is going to plan , that is if they even had a plan. The consequences could be very long term.
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when trup said gone by easter i didn't think he ment my life savings can someone explain to me how MTG is worth 41 m without a little help from its friends
The same way predecessors from both parties did it in the past.
Unfortunately, the hypocrites only mention the person(s) from the other political party when this occurs.
Remember this: the DUMBEST ones get caught while the SMARTEST ones don’t!!
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Nobody, not one single person, loses a penny.....if you don't sell!
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while I am on my soapbox, let's talk about student forgiveness loans a program started by bush 2.Not quite the same but with same goal. I have a friend that used this to vacate his loans. Under bush you had to work qualifying jobs to get this relief, and I agree it should have been the same under Biden.
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correct grandstand, no actual loses if you don't sell
however you must now that it can take a long time to make back a 20% decline
many people need to withdraw from 401k on a regular basis and don't have the luxury of waiting it out
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It can take a long time to recover or not. Nobody knows. In 2020, the S&P500 went down close to 40% at the beginning of the pandemic. By the end of the year, it was up 16%. Look at major bear market years and look at the following years. Still doesn't mean anything. Nobody knows.
However, if you don't have the time (whatever time you think it is), or you already are drawing/consuming substantially on a capital pool, or you "need" the security and can't mitigate risk with other assets.....you are right, you don't have the luxury.....which means.....then you should not be in the market.
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It can take a long time to recover or not. Nobody knows. In 2020, the S&P500 went down close to 40% at the beginning of the pandemic. By the end of the year, it was up 16%. Look at major bear market years and look at the following years. Still doesn't mean anything. Nobody knows.
However, if you don't have the time (whatever time you think it is), or you already are drawing/consuming substantially on a capital pool, or you "need" the security and can't mitigate risk with other assets.....you are right, you don't have the luxury.....which means.....then you should not be in the market.
There is a big difference when COVID-19 was a disease being spread, while DJT is a walking “human disaster” on 2 feet. Also there is a difference between having a plan to make things better and changing tariffs on the go without a rationale plan and making decisions based on the mood you’re in!!
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There is a big difference when COVID-19 was a disease being spread, while DJT is a walking “human disaster” on 2 feet. Also there is a difference between having a plan to make things better and changing tariffs on the go without a rationale plan and making decisions based on the mood you’re in!!
Apples and bowling balls. Anyone can pick an example and say this is different, that is not the same. My point was about if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. Like the sign at the old Meadowlands track kitchen said.....You can eat your betting money, but don't bet your eating money. Does that have anything to do with Trump? Time to move on.
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It can take a long time to recover or not. Nobody knows. In 2020, the S&P500 went down close to 40% at the beginning of the pandemic. By the end of the year, it was up 16%. Look at major bear market years and look at the following years. Still doesn't mean anything. Nobody knows.
However, if you don't have the time (whatever time you think it is), or you already are drawing/consuming substantially on a capital pool, or you "need" the security and can't mitigate risk with other assets.....you are right, you don't have the luxury.....which means.....then you should not be in the market.
To be put in that position was totally uncalled for and has everything to do with Trump. Its not market volatility due to anything else
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Apples and bowling balls. Anyone can pick an example and say this is different, that is not the same. My point was about if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. Like the sign at the old Meadowlands track kitchen said.....You can eat your betting money, but don't bet your eating money. Does that have anything to do with Trump? Time to move on.
Right now I’m having 2 bowling drilled as we post here!
Unfortunately, the ‘issues’ of today are being made by 1 individual. This 1 individual is affecting the livelihood of the world!
Time to ‘move on’?
When things get back to “normal “ if there is a such a thing, many of us will ‘move on’.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/10/charlie-munger-volatile-market-advice.html
Mediocre returns...heat in the kitchen.
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Trump killed the economy and the stock market
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Sure he did. And if he didn't, someone somewhere still has an ingrown toenail, and they can blame him for that, right.
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Sure he did. And if he didn't, someone somewhere still has an ingrown toenail, and they can blame him for that, right.
I'm recently convinced that Trumpers are among the most naive and dumbest people on the planet.....
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"I'm recently convinced that Trumpers are among the most naive and dumbest people on the planet....."
Pacer 2, every time you post, you prove your own comment to be false !!
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"I'm recently convinced that Trumpers are among the most naive and dumbest people on the planet....."
Pacer 2, every time you post, you prove your own comment to be false !!
His takes on racing are just as bad if not worse.
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The Trump "haters" are out today!!!!! LOL!!!!!
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The Trump "haters" are out today!!!!! LOL!!!!!
Unfortunately it is everyday and will be the next 4 years. Enjoy the Maine racing season!!!
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I'm recently convinced that Trumpers are among the most naive and dumbest people on the planet.....
Hey, I get it, you just don't want to hear your opinion.....you want to hear your opinion coming out of everyone else's mouth.
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anyone have any horse tips
i need some cash !!
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Is the American economy in free fall?
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Consumer sentiment fell to its lowest level in 3 years.......thanx Trump
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Thanks JT!!!!!
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For those of you who think that "the market" is the DJIA.....it's back over 40,000.....at least for now, LOL.
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The Trump "haters" are out today!!!!! LOL!!!!!
FYI, Trump causes his own problems!!
Please look at Trump himself before you “blame others” for his ‘shortcomings’!!
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The 7 largest Dow drops in history (including the Great Depression era) were all under this moron, Donald J Trump. It's almost like like a guy with six bankruptcies and $800 million dollars in fraud.
Elections have consequences.