why is Per, Jared, DeVita and a few others 6-8K a month and the others, whom by the way have a UTDR of .250-.280  3-4K? IF you are that naive then I think it best to flip over to another thread. Nothing new here to report in 2025, back in the day it was cliffy Sielgel paying for the hydro with the exact same profile as Prevost and company. Good honest horsemen are always put in an tough spot always hoping the commissions will catch the thieves. I have no time for people that have been around for more than a minute to not call it for what it is. Doesn't even matter come to think of it, the business is done with serious contraction taking place for the better part of a decade. Nobody can unite and get anything done and racing will continue to trip over itself. Wish I had a better take but I've been around a long time, from grooming to training to owning---there is no hope.

Walk out right now all over NA, call your friends, spread the word - send your notice.

Then compare your lists who has to go, submit them and they will GO, forever!  Demanding actual regulatory and stop gaps too, and permanent solutions!  Disband anything that stands in your way as a group.  Your rights have been violated by criminals!

Then enjoy all that purse money divided amongst yourselves based on talent and fate.

Beards, new trainers, some of the honest jump ship, if it starts impacting walk out again.

I know that. Commonplace. I just don't know what occurred here. I know with the one or two big names, they paid a bill. They never received product.

why is Per, Jared, DeVita and a few others 6-8K a month and the others, whom by the way have a UTDR of .250-.280  3-4K? IF you are that naive then I think it best to flip over to another thread. Nothing new here to report in 2025, back in the day it was cliffy Sielgel paying for the hydro with the exact same profile as Prevost and company. Good honest horsemen are always put in an tough spot always hoping the commissions will catch the thieves. I have no time for people that have been around for more than a minute to not call it for what it is. Doesn't even matter come to think of it, the business is done with serious contraction taking place for the better part of a decade. Nobody can unite and get anything done and racing will continue to trip over itself. Wish I had a better take but I've been around a long time, from grooming to training to owning---there is no hope.

not only is it all chalk due to race dept. doing whatever to fill a race. been going on at all maine tracks and fairs. some races have so many conditions attached race should just read open to horses with 4 legs. i love it when its a tm 58 or 60 nw500 last 4. horse with no earnings can be a plainridge open horse with at tm of 85.
   other thing i really dont like is race after race a horse that should go off around 6/5 or so goes to the gate at 2-1 and 10 seconds into race its 1-9.  never seen so many 1=9 shots. most should not be that low.
   this year completes 5th year of first tracks cumberland after being told 1 year then there will be racing at a new track. not even a ceremonial shovel of dirt so far.

Is it possible that a horse like Dunkin and Janelle granny could have jumped started a good couple years run and allowed them to buy a bunch of horses?? I'd say yes. But small minded people probably think no.   Did he have horses for D racing? Yes. So have other guys and are they all getting licenses revoked etc?

I don’t recall them having horses with D Racing.  Was there hidden ownership

Another family in harness racing that breaks all the rules. SMH