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« Last post by seriously on November 17, 2025, 07:33:47 PM »
Actually, a very good thread. The reality is no one outside the sport knows of its existence. As a result, we get the kids of kids of kids of former horsemen. The depth of the human talent pool is rather shallow, and there is no one standing in line to take the place of someone that isn't cutting it. Instead, they stay in the game and add no value.
And the irony is, many of the people listed are sub-par good drivers. There are hundreds of others that simply aren't at all good, and could be replaced by millions of other individuals.
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i can think of one..Blair Burgess..i dont think he has ever gotten a positive
Absolutely excellent thought. I have the utmost respect and admiration for Blair. I've sent him a horse before. More than once. I don't know if he has had a positive test. I never asked him. I will say one thing, even if he has, it wouldn't matter to me. I'd send him a horse any day, any time. Blair is the consummate professional. A true HOF'er and a class act.
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For all the more she drives i always thought she did well considering shes at a premier track driving against better stock and high end trainers and drivers. A lot safer than most drivers out there. Don’t know if she still has record for fastest win ever by female driver.
Off the top of my head, I would guess it would be Lauren Tritton. She won at the Meadowlands in 49 and a piece. Maybe 49 and 2 or 3.
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« Last post by Papillon on November 17, 2025, 07:12:05 PM »
He is using the excuse of losing $1 mil/month for overhead to cry for a casino when indeed that operating loss of $11.5 mil is paid for by his share of the sportsbook profits..so he isn't losing anything by racing
his whole agenda since he took over was to get a casino and he is just using racing as a perfect cover, pretending and telling everyone that he is a "saviour" of the industry
a true saviour wouldn't threaten to close the doors if he doesn't get his way
a true saviour wouldn't tell The Hambletonian Society to look for another place to race
what he and has been for about a dozen years is a snake oil salesman
he has sold a lot of oil the last decade
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« Last post by darnoldrocks on November 17, 2025, 07:05:39 PM »
Foalin at 4 .... I don't think the Bills have a defense anywhere near good enough to get them to a Super Bowl !!
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« Last post by Yonkers1A on November 17, 2025, 07:03:21 PM »
Any cheaters are gradually weeded out of this and every sport.
Yes, then more take their place as the honest ones are forced out
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Fanduel profits about 300 million a year at the Meadowlands. Best estimates are Gural gets 15% about 45 million a year. He’s making money even with the expense of the racing. Fanduel can exist without racing at the Meadowlands but racing is just a write off on Gural’s tax bill. His threat of closing the track without a casino is just a threat.
Are you absolutely sure that you are not confusing revenue with profit?
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« Last post by pylon on November 17, 2025, 06:37:57 PM »
Pick a successful trainer's name, any trainer. There is probably somebody who is going to think that trainer is cheating. Cheating is a relative term. If you are racing on hay, oats, and water, then you are at a competitive disadvantage. Sad state of affairs, but the reality. Detention barn and out of competition testing should be the norm, and should be frequent/regular.
I can't think of a top trainer, a successful trainer, who has never had a positive test. Can you? Go way back in Meadowlands history. Larry/Ray Remmen, Jim Doherty, Lofty Bruce, Greg Wright, Howard Camden, Jack Friedhoff, Kelvin Harrison? Move on, Rovine/Holloway, Dave Elliott, Ben Webster, Ron Waples? Then Robinson, Artandi, Stutzman, George Anthony, Pelling, Croghan, Holloway? Today, Ake, Burke, Alagna, Moore, Linda Toscano? Keep going. For me, there's a big difference between a clenbuterol positive (slightly over the limit) and some designer, exotic drug that has zero place on the backstretch or farm. Who do you give a horse to today, before you get accused of using a "drug" trainer? Yes, I do think there should be owner accountability, but that leads to a very slippery slope.
i can think of one..Blair Burgess..i dont think he has ever gotten a positive
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« Last post by wisha roder on November 17, 2025, 06:14:26 PM »
Stacy Chiodo , specializes in making horses go slow
For all the more she drives i always thought she did well considering shes at a premier track driving against better stock and high end trainers and drivers. A lot safer than most drivers out there. Don’t know if she still has record for fastest win ever by female driver.
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« Last post by The Answer on November 17, 2025, 06:12:12 PM »
FanDuel's operations at the Meadowlands consistently generate the majority of New Jersey's sports betting revenue. However, specific "profits" for the Meadowlands Racetrack are complex, as a percentage of the revenue is used to cover the racetrack's operational losses and contribute to horse racing purses, rather than being pure profit for the track itself.
Meadowlands/FanDuel Revenue Snapshot (NJ)
Overall Market Dominance: FanDuel, which operates online and a physical sportsbook through the Meadowlands' New Jersey license, is the leading operator in the state's highly competitive market.
Monthly Performance: In January 2024, the Meadowlands (with its three online partners including FanDuel) set a record by surpassing $100 million in monthly revenue.
Annual Revenue (2023): Profits (revenue) for the entire Meadowlands operation from sports betting surpassed $458 million for the year 2023.
Retail vs. Online: The vast majority of revenue comes from online sports betting. For example, in December 2023, online revenue for the Meadowlands was $49.3 million, while the physical (retail) location contributed around $1.8 million.
Racetrack Allocation of Revenue
The financial arrangement is critical to understanding "profits at the Meadowlands":
In 2024, $2.5 million from sports betting revenue was added directly to the horse racing purse account.
An additional $11.5 million was used to cover the operating losses of the racetrack for the year.
Therefore, while the FanDuel-powered operation is a massive revenue generator in New Jersey, the Meadowlands Racetrack itself uses a significant portion of this income to subsidize its horseracing operations, not generating a direct "profit" for the track as a standalone business in the traditional sense.
So he writes off 14 million off the tax he would have to pay on the Fanduel profit.
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