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Harness Racing / Re: Race Tracks vs Casino's
« Last post by Justwatchingtheraces on Today at 01:11:13 PM »
Giving the money to almost anything would boast the economy. Using it for infrastructure has a similar but larger direct impact AND a secondary impact of making business easier. On top of that, people want infrastructure much more than they care about racing. I would propose using the money to reduce taxes.  If racing cannot stand on its own, why should it exist? Why should a private business )casino) be required to keep a business (racing) they lose money on? All that land used by racetracks could be put to more valuable uses. The racing industry better figure out a way to support itself or at somepoint it will become much smaller or disappear.  Wake up!

100% agree but many people lean on this economic impact it has on agriculture and everything else. I like the idea of using that money to lower taxes. Maybe Pacer can give us his unbiased expert opinion on this.
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Harness Racing / What's Up With Saratoga T-Breds Today?
« Last post by Bitter Truth on Today at 01:05:21 PM »
Supposed to race at 1:10 . Won't accept bets or no changes showing on Twinspires.
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He's too dumb to realize the casinos would make alot more money if they weren't giving some of it away to the racetracks.

If each state allowed decoupling, how many casinos would keep racing?  The racing business is a loser for the casinos. They only keep it because they are forced to. That could easily change.
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Harness Racing / Re: how many horses do you own
« Last post by Kenny on Today at 12:55:33 PM »
i think some of the threads dealing with the overall state of the industry would be more beneficial if we knew if some people commenting had money invested in the sport
i am not suggesting that those that don't cannot understand the state of the industry but it seems based on some comments many posters have an axe to grind with harness racing
to be clear harness racing is far from perfect and has done nothing in the last 20 years or more to really help itself especially from a gambling/attendance perspective, but that doesn't mean it should be banished
for all those saying how the money funneled into harness racing needs to be pulled back to allow governments to use it in other areas, just think for a minute , based on past experiences do you really want these politicians deciding where these funds go , most of them could not run a hot dog cart in a park

as for the ownership of horses i will start
i own 2 race horses
i own between 25% -50% of 4 broodmares and their foals etc
I'm no diamond creek but its enough

That is irrelevant. How many fans/customer of the NFL MLB NBA or NHL have any overship in any of the teams?
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Harness Racing / Re: Race Tracks vs Casino's
« Last post by Kenny on Today at 12:51:21 PM »
I totally agree that people who own horses have an economic impact on the state's economy. If that is the justification for receiving a handout, then the broader picture should be considered.

Does Ohio have more racehorses or non-race horses? How much of this handout, which is intended to promote economic growth, actually leaves the state?

According to the USTA, only 5,534 separate horses started races in Ohio in 2025. I do not know how many of those horses were owned by people from out of state. Clearly, the non-race horse population in Ohio is much larger. I can say that because of the AQHA annual report.

People who own non-race horses also contribute a tremendous amount of money to the economy. All horse owners buy hay and grain, pay veterinarians and farriers, and many own trucks and trailers as well.

This is like claiming that food stamps are great for the economy simply because people spend them on food. That line of thinking does not justify handouts when one group of horse owners requires no subsidies while representing a much larger portion of the horse industry.

Giving the money to almost anything would boast the economy. Using it for infrastructure has a similar but larger direct impact AND a secondary impact of making business easier. On top of that, people want infrastructure much more than they care about racing. I would propose using the money to reduce taxes.  If racing cannot stand on its own, why should it exist? Why should a private business )casino) be required to keep a business (racing) they lose money on? All that land used by racetracks could be put to more valuable uses. The racing industry better figure out a way to support itself or at somepoint it will become much smaller or disappear.  Wake up!
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Harness Racing / Re: Race Tracks vs Casino's
« Last post by Justwatchingtheraces on Today at 12:41:09 PM »
Spot on Brown Jug.
I totally agree that people who own horses have an economic impact on the state's economy. If that is the justification for receiving a handout, then the broader picture should be considered.

Does Ohio have more racehorses or non-race horses? How much of this handout, which is intended to promote economic growth, actually leaves the state?

According to the USTA, only 5,534 separate horses started races in Ohio in 2025. I do not know how many of those horses were owned by people from out of state. Clearly, the non-race horse population in Ohio is much larger. I can say that because of the AQHA annual report.

People who own non-race horses also contribute a tremendous amount of money to the economy. All horse owners buy hay and grain, pay veterinarians and farriers, and many own trucks and trailers as well.

This is like claiming that food stamps are great for the economy simply because people spend them on food. That line of thinking does not justify handouts when one group of horse owners requires no subsidies while representing a much larger portion of the horse industry.
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Harness Racing / Re: how many horses do you own
« Last post by BrokenHeadPole on Today at 12:40:56 PM »
6 race horses
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Harness Racing / Re: how many horses do you own
« Last post by LUCPARK on Today at 12:35:10 PM »
presently 5 race horses

7 broodmares 
6 in foal..i aborted last month,,

my first breed filly i sold at hoosier sale has won 6 outta 7 races at the fair circuit in indy,,,her name BELLA NOTTE

2 weanling colts on the ground

2 yearling fillies on the ground..

bad yr for myself racing ,,many issues

THATS MY BAND tmbz1
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He's too dumb to realize the casinos would make alot more money if they weren't giving some of it away to the racetracks.
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