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« Last post by seen2much on November 17, 2025, 04:22:32 PM »
Burke is the obvious one. He beat all the ones arrested, learned from no real horseman, didn't grow up in the business, and never has a down year.
Pelling got a 10 year vacation. He came back & picked up where he left off.
Engblom has ridiculous success & his barn grew like all the ones before him.
Bongiorno clan went right into stardom. There was no learning curve. Check the family history and....
Ake has well bred horses & is highly regarded... but most think he cheats.
Takter was given a retirement for cheating.
There are many more. The results they have at the swamp are often less than other tracks.
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Long time discussion and debate. Similar to the talk about Beau Jangles and possibly getting HOTY. It's a cross-border, political, etc., type of discussion. The colt is again # 1 in the polls and while it comes from the USHWA, the Dan Patch Horse of the Year award is very coveted. Will he become the first Dan Patch Horse of the Year winner.....althou gh he never raced in the US. Forget about that, it is rare for any 2yo to get HOTY, and the last one who did also went undefeated in 12 starts as a 2yo! Other than that, I can only remember Niatross and Bret Hanover getting it.
I think there is, or used to be a requirement for HOTY, that the horse races in the US at least twice. Not sure if that still stands. Not taking anything away from some of the other legit contenders, but I think you can make a hell of a case for Beau Jangles. In today's day and age, aside from where the BC is held, many feel the biggest, most prestigious, most important, races are north of the border.
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Gural is on record that the doors are closing if they dont get the casino
They could do 4 million a night every night. They would still close.
He has no meaningful handle on imported signals. The vast majority of the live handle is from adw retail accounts and CAWs.
The current business model doesnt work. Apparently even with the sports business.
The true description of it would be whatever the polar opposite of "thriving" is
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« Last post by Trigger on November 17, 2025, 03:08:03 PM »
Bobby Fischer, the chess GrandMaster did exactly just that.
All true. Bobby Fischer was born with a very long foreskin, once they clipped that off it exposed his very small penis which is normal. Then for his Bah Mitzvah he received 63 chess sets and no cash. At that point he could take no more. 
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Why is there even a discussion whether someone who is cheating is directly, indirectly, tangentially, or whatever, stealing from you, or anyone else for that matter. That's the victimless crime BS. It's cheating. It hurts everyone, including the horses.
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« Last post by Racetime on November 17, 2025, 03:04:24 PM »
Jason drives full time in overnights along with sire stakes and some Grand Circuit drives, Dexter Dunn is a full time Grand Circuit driver who drives a few overnights. Bartlett 2nd in wins and top USTR rating.
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Statistics don't lie, but statisticians do. How can anyone argue that handle is not down. Pick and choose variables and the numbers can come out any way you like.
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Two completely different drivers, clientele, businesses, etc.
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« Last post by Pacer 2 on November 17, 2025, 02:49:23 PM »
ECONOMIC INDICATORS ON U.S. RACES
November 16, 2025: $2,152,184
2025 2024 % Change
Total Wagered $1,206,635,541 $1,317,634,236 -8.42%
Per Race avg. $39,847 $42,102 -5.36%
Per Betting Interest $5,166 $5,413 -4.56%
Purses $448,040,975 $454,226,455 -1.36%
Race Days 2820 2881 -2.12%
61 less race days! DUUUUHHHH! 
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« Last post by wizardofoz on November 17, 2025, 02:48:26 PM »
1. Bartlett, Jason J starts 2348 717 416 321 $15,213,885 0.449
2. Dunn, Dexter J starts 1208 275 199 174 $14,857,363 0.367
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