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In the pre-simulcast era when handle was all on track it didn't happen.
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Harness Racing / Re: Beau's Sophomore Campaign
« Last post by Meadow Ford on May 24, 2026, 02:01:05 PM »
Is there a horse that can outsprint BJ the final quarter coming off a slow middle half like last night? Can't outrun BJ over a mile but can outsprint him coming home if given a half mile breather.
At Springfield Adios Vic was able to out sprint Bret Hanover off a slow three quarters.
Bret was 24 for 24 at two.
A bigger question.
Can the groom of BJ sell more used race shoes then Bret's groom (Dave Willoughby) did?
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Harness Racing / Re: Fixed odds nowwwwww. Even meadowlands unplayable
« Last post by Pacer 2 on May 24, 2026, 02:00:55 PM »
Miracle maven ends up 1 to 5 last night .
2 to 1 morning line against very string field
4 to 5 going to the gate is OK, almost even money but then as the gate springs 1 to 5.
Against 80% less return then the low price to begin with

No modern gambler is going to tolerate this stuff .
You want to save the sport?
We thought we needed to push horse ownership. We dont.
People will always buy racehorses. Prices for racehorses are through the roof.

The sport needs gamblers.

No big money gamblers will tolerate 80% reductions in payoffs..

It was one thing when this had been going on at b tracks but when its routinely happening Saturday night at meadowlands its a screaming issue
     This has been happening for 35+ years. NOTHING NEW!! ngc3 ngc3
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Harness Racing / Re: Fixed odds nowwwwww. Even meadowlands unplayable
« Last post by Stan durbread on May 24, 2026, 01:16:09 PM »
No big money handicapper is ever betting a 4/5 to win looking for ROI. Only degenerates
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Due to rain the post time is back to 1:30pm - you can still get in the contest.
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Harness Racing / Re: Beau's Sophomore Campaign
« Last post by AgentQ on May 24, 2026, 01:04:47 PM »
Interesting horse, especially with Macintosh as trainer, he has 18 starts, only 1 win ;D
That win was on an off track like last night
Unfortunately for him..10 or 11 of his starts have had BJ in the race.  ngc3
I'd like to see how he'd do in a race or 2 without BJ being in the same race before making any judgments. I will never forget the way Precious Bunny left the gate that day, saw it in person right in front of me at the ripe age of 17. Unfortunately for me, I was pulling for Artsplace that year and he was scratched

Beach didn't leave canada at 2 and was shut down early after beating up on horatio and deuce seelster so give it a rest. They have the exact same profile with the only diff being the breeders crown was held at mohawk last year and doc too advantge of it. GReat horses travel, real good ones win at home.
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Harness Racing / Re: Beau's Sophomore Campaign
« Last post by JT on May 24, 2026, 12:58:33 PM »
i hope that someone steps up.
I recall Niatross in 1980. He was kind of alone in his greatness.
Every champion benefits from a rival, just like Ali did from Smokin' Joe.
DIdn't  WIJI and Always B Miki put on quite a show?
As older horses yes, Always B Miki was a year older then WIJI
One of my favorite races I ever witnessed in person

https://youtu.be/ZoqbBwyZLzc?si=O3JjXVrkfd9H3PIn
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2 things can be true at once
Fixed odds is needed,  but won't happen
The gamblers always get shit on.. CAW 's suck, killing small time players
Back in the day, gamblers were needed..not so much anymore
All slot welfare
Ohio was dead in the water until the racinos came
$1600 purses throughout the week at Scioto.
Place was a ghost town.
All these topics have been discussed at nauseum
Nothing changes ;D

Unfortunately the slot welfare wont last. It was mandatory that casinos needed to give a percentage back to racing before. Now casinos can open without racing.
The welfare about to end. We need to bring the gambler back.

Caw at least produces handle so there is no way to get rid of that 
But no one is betting real momey without having any idea of the return, which drops as  much as 80%, even at the last moment.

It was one thing if a horse steadily drops odds. But the sudden 80% changes will break this business more than ANY other issue it has
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Thoroughbred Racing / Re: Sunday Funday betting a couple today!
« Last post by JT on May 24, 2026, 12:51:15 PM »
Good luck Dougie!! Knock on wood somewhere because you have been running really good. Keep up the great work! Only 2 bets for me today.
Churchill early pick 5
1,3,5,6,7/All/7/7/2,3,5,7,8,9,10
$122.50
Big A early pick 5
6/All/5/All/1,2,3,4,6,7
$108
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Harness Racing / Re: Beau's Sophomore Campaign
« Last post by toothman on May 24, 2026, 12:50:38 PM »
i hope that someone steps up.
I recall Niatross in 1980. He was kind of alone in his greatness.
Every champion benefits from a rival, just like Ali did from Smokin' Joe.
DIdn't  WIJI and Always B Miki put on quite a show?

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