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« Last post by G on Today at 12:48:34 PM »
Went online and looked at the the menu prices. Pretty good. A dozen bagels for $12.59. Here in Maine, a dozen bagels is $25-$35. How's the food there?
it's actually pretty good
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« Last post by G on Today at 12:47:35 PM »
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« Last post by bond on Today at 12:43:29 PM »
I agree, and I have zero problem with that. My position of guilt or innocence is not contingent upon whether Taylor actually received the products and distributed them. Independent of that I have long said, definitively, I feel the sport and business is better off without him. Period. I was thinking if he did NOT take possession, in his world, it opens the door to the "I know nothing" defense. Yes, it's absolutely BS, but I'd rather see the option completely off the table. LO>
The Sgt Schultz approach-wont fly in this case in my opinion for the following reason.
"maxim ignorantia juris non excusat"--Ignorance of the Law is no excuse
In a federal defamation trial like Taylor v. Gural, a jury does not look at claims of ignorance in a vacuum; they look at the concrete paper trail.
If Gural's legal team introduces the exact itemized training and veterinary bills into evidence from FBI files--showing line-by-line charges for black-market blood builders, Taylor cannot simply argue that he "never checked".
This is what I read---"The Willful Blindness Verdict: The law states that if an owner receives explicit, written notices of illegal activity on invoices they are actively paying month after month, choosing not to read them is willful blindness.
Legally, willful blindness completely satisfies the requirement for "knowledge." You cannot claim your reputation was wrongfully destroyed by an accusation if you were actively signing checks for the exact substance in question.
If the documentation proves Taylor was actively billing and paying for BB3, Gural's public statements are deemed "substantially true." Under US law, truth is an absolute defense to defamation
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« Last post by G on Today at 12:43:25 PM »
Looks like everybody's got Mike's number becoming aware of all his usernames and spamming.
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« Last post by G on Today at 12:42:37 PM »
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« Last post by Pacer 2 on Today at 12:42:20 PM »
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Many valid points. Do I think Gural is perfect? No, not at all. Do I think he's better than most if not all others? Absolutely. Yet, he still allowed some to slide. There lies the problem. Transparency would help, but that's a discussion for another time, LOL. While Gural funded the original investigation, and was the catalyst, for a lot of what inevitably went down, and I commend him for that-----he is still going to be under everyone's magnifying glass.
As far as HISA, no, it is far from perfect, even far from ideal. But to me, for me, whether it be HISA or a deviation, it's inevitable. It has to be! Status quo was not working and the sport was diminishing, contracting, regressing. This industry, this sport, had self-regulation for the longest time, and failed. Period. HISA may not be everyone's want or solution, but something had to happen. Again, discussion for another time, LOL. Yes, Baffert, and Lou Pena, and OJ Simpson too, they fell victim to the Al Capone conviction theory. That too happens. Yes, whether it be political appointees, elected, I don't care who, track management, all of them, if they are corrupt, not only do they have to go, they should all be indicted as well. The NJRC is nothing more than another state-run, state-governed body that can't get out of their own way. Pre-Gural, whenever any horseman appealed, sued, whatever, the NJRC's win/loss record is abominable. After Jeff Lapoff, they did not do to well, LOL. The NJRC has done a horrible job for fifty years.
As far as Engblom, I am only looking at this from the Gural side, and as I said, I am not happy he caved. The optics are bad, and so is the reality. Gural is in a position to further change and better the sport-----as he already has-----and while I don't expect him to be perfect, I do expect a universal standard. I don't know why he caved on Engblom. I am sure there are substantive reasons, but I can't help wonder what they are, LOL.
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« Last post by bond on Today at 11:58:01 AM »
Plopsters are right--Gural picks and chooses who he bans--the FBI was like a smorgasbord-he just picked out which ones he wanted-and which ones he didnt need.
That is also my biggest concern and would never happen with HISA. No matter how big or how many horses you have in Tbred racing you get booted--like BoB Baffert-they don't come much bigger- he was outed--for FAR FAR less what Mr Burke and others were doing in his barn from what Im reading--FACT.
If that was Baffert and they got him for an EPO mimetic-it would be curtains for him.
So Plopsters are on the ball with this one--if the top brass running the Sport are corrupt--they need to go first.
Im very surprised the NJ Racing commission( Tom Salerno and sara Ben David) sat on their hands while the evidence of PED use was laid out in front of them. Even blood samples sent to Hong Kong-showed evidence of Blood manipulation from these horses.
In unsealed FBI wiretaps between Fishman and prominent trainers (like Jeff Gillis), they openly discussed how they believed the drug was safely undetectable. Fishman explicitly boasted on the wiretaps that if investigators pulled blood 12 hours after an injection, the horse would test "safe".
The Hong Kong Jockey Club's advanced testing utterly destroyed this theory, proving that the drug's chemical signature left a detectable biological footprint far longer than Fishman realized.
So in a way- Engblom was a victim because it took the spotlight away from the Fishman and FBI case-so they booted him to make it look like they actually do something. Remember people using EPO or mimetics(same thing)-get a lifetime ban at certain tracks(egHarrahs, Monticello) and here we have trainers buying 50 doses or more-and are walking around like nothing happened. THIS has got to stop-and Im happy to see questions in the Howard Taylor case--OCT 12 is a date I read that Taylor AND Gural their trainers have to submit records--that will be interesting to say the least.
Its interesting that in the Taylor defamation case-Howard is relying on the fact that EPO and BB3 are chemically and structurally different. He will lose that case if im not mistaken because BB3 Acts as a workaround. Despite having a completely different chemical shape, it is designed to activate the EXACT same EPOR cellular pathway.
It triggers the SAME BIOLOGICAL result—surges in red blood cells and highly elevated oxygenation—without using the actual EPO molecule-so that is intent to cheat and a PED in my language and most other peoples also.
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I remember when Guida was buying top horses all over. I had success buying ready made horses and that was always my business model. I wasn't a yearling guy, LOL. But Guida changed that marketplace. It exploded. It became next to impossible to buy a top horse already on the track.
I had seen a 2yo in PA, who looked like he had a lot of potential. By a backyard stud, unraced, but the colt was fast, and looked like he could be a good one. I made a call, and so did others, and he was for sale, but the seller was a shrewd guy. Guida bought the colt for $250k-----which was really a lot of money at the time, especially for a 2yo, by a no name stallion...but Guida did well with Jake and Elwood. I think he earned the entire investment back in about a month or so, LOL.
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« Last post by toothman on Today at 11:52:11 AM »
How can anyone be that lucky 
I can't imagine . But then again, certain trainers are in the publics crosshairs because of their newfound success..... Dennis Laterza has been a mediocre trainer for a very long time. .. It's like Damn Yankees- making a deal with the devil for success..... Are there "average joe" trainers that have had thst kind of luck? I doubt it.... The only one that came close to that kind of run was mentioned on Plop a couple of years ago - CS.
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