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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2024, 06:07:36 AM »
If you write "wood" instead of "would",  I believe you have lost the right to say another was dropped on their head.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2024, 06:16:17 AM »
It’s a tough call and I thought about this for a minute. Here is what should happen. The racing commissions should have a public “black book” on every trainer who wants to race at their meet. The black book would contain a complete background of the trainers history in the business. It would contain every offense and suspensions they received. Then the commission would have a “watch list” meaning that particular trainer is being monitored open and transparent. If the owner or owners choose that trainer they have been forewarned that said trainer is being monitored and any offense would mean their horses would be suspended for the same amount of time that their trainer received. Say after 60 days the trainer could be removed off the “watch list” and all would be well. The owners deserve some type of warning as well as the trainer that they are being monitored closer than the others. Put it right in the program for complete transparency. If the owner wants to take the chance and stay with the trainer it’s not like they couldn’t deny that the trainer was on that “watch list”.  Owners need to be held accountable as everyone involved. The public are risking their hard earned money.
so by your thinking if a Chicago bear gets a + the owner should also get in trouble that makes no sense if they want to clean up the business which they don't no matter how the horse came up + groom peeing in stall a bad batch of grain whatever if you get let's say 3-4 your done and put on the do not allow list

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Re: TRAINER GETS A POSITIVE ,,,YOUR GET TO DECIDE
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2024, 06:48:37 AM »
It depends on the trainer. If the guy/gal has 50 in training and some random one tests positive it sounds like it could be environmental then I don’t see an issue. If that same trainer has 2-3 every year then I’m moving my horses.

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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2024, 10:14:42 AM »
so by your thinking if a Chicago bear gets a + the owner should also get in trouble that makes no sense if they want to clean up the business which they don't no matter how the horse came up + groom peeing in stall a bad batch of grain whatever if you get let's say 3-4 your done and put on the do not allow list


OK...I'll buy this. I completely agree on # 2. However, # 1 has been argued for many years. I hear you, if an owner is going to get punished, penalized to the point that it hurts financially, and so on, sure, what incentive is there. But here's my question: What if the owner is involved with the trainer's transgressions? Duplicitous? It's a very slippery slope. When, where, and how do you hold owners accountable? Steinbrenner never got suspended when a player of his came up positive for steroids. No owner did from what I can remember.

However, what if a team owner was more involved? Directly involved? What if the team owner facilitated making the steroids available. They or their staff searched out, found the known doctors, maybe even paid them some money, not for steroids directly, but they paid them to be available. What if the team owner made the doctors available -- gave them access to the locker room, training staff, and so on -- who were writing the prescriptions? While he wasn't a team owner, and there was no union, didn't Vince McMahon get indicted for this?

My point is that this problem has gotten so egregious, I feel you have to start holding everyone accountable -- trainers, drivers, vets, farm owners, compounders and equine companies, and yes, at a certain point owners. Let's see how this Howard Taylor situation plays out. Remember, there were other owners on the "master" list that was part of the other charges, indictments, trials, etc.

That was exactly my point in the above referenced post, re: Steinbrenner and McMahon. Zero accountability doesn't work. But at the same time, the other end of the extreme doesn't work. No, you can't just make every single owner liable from day one, moment one, 100%. I agree with some sliding-scale and owner's having the ability to make informed -- and not subjective to others -- decisions.

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Re: TRAINER GETS A POSITIVE ,,,YOUR GET TO DECIDE
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2024, 11:02:26 AM »
Couple things come to mind.

1. value of the investment (horse).
2. level of the trainer under suspension.

If its an expensive horse that's been heavily staked and at the onset or middle of stakes season. Yes, I would move to a barn that might be a better or "more" qualified match for the horse than the later.

If its a top level trainer and the suspension is only 30 days I'd stay. The horse is still being trained down and a schedule is maintained.

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